Congratulations Shane-world pool masters champ

sjm said:
WPA ranking points ARE earned in the US Open and Shane is 2nd in the WPA rankings, trailing only the WPA World 9-ball champion. If you are focusing on the eye test, Niels is not just the World 9-ball Champion but the reigning MVP at the Mosconi. To me, the WPA system IS giving Shane his due and he is right where he wants to be ---- is in the thick of the race for #1.

FYI, less than 5% of Niels' ranking points come from his participation in Eurotour events. For decades, there was a WPA sanctioned men's tour in America in which WPA ranking points could be earned. The absence of such a tour today certainly doesn't help Shane in his quest for WPA #1, but it is a pretty minor factor.

Mark my words, Shane, whose failure to win a World 9-ball championship at the age of 31 is a "so what" to me, will be the WPA #1 at some point. Niels didn't win his first World 9-ball championship until he was 37, and we know how special a player he is.

Shane will win a WPA World 9-ball Championship --- I'm absolutely sure of it.
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What you are saying is right. However, I don't think the weighting of the points is right. The WC is worth 10,000 points while the US Open is worth 6600, the World Pool Masters is worth zero, and the Derby is worth zero (I do agree there is plenty of blame to go around why those events are not WPA sanctioned).

However, let's look at it this way ... in 4 out of 5 of the most prestigious pro tournaments that they both played in, China Open, WPM, Derby 9-ball, US Open, and WC, Shane finished ahead of Neils ... 4 out of 5. And Shane won 3 of those events. Yet, Feijen carries a higher ranking right now.

To be clear, I like the idea of the WPA. I just think the rating system is flawed. Find a way to unify the WPA and get all those major events sanctioned. Then apply more even weighting. And then we can crown our World Champion at the end of the year based on points. That's the way it's done in the big leagues :).
 
sjm said:
WPA ranking points ARE earned in the US Open and Shane is 2nd in the WPA rankings, trailing only the WPA World 9-ball champion. If you are focusing on the eye test, Niels is not just the World 9-ball Champion but the reigning MVP at the Mosconi. To me, the WPA system IS giving Shane his due and he is right where he wants to be ---- is in the thick of the race for #1.

FYI, less than 5% of Niels' ranking points come from his participation in Eurotour events. For decades, there was a WPA sanctioned men's tour in America in which WPA ranking points could be earned. The absence of such a tour today certainly doesn't help Shane in his quest for WPA #1, but it is a pretty minor factor.

Mark my words, Shane, whose failure to win a World 9-ball championship at the age of 31 is a "so what" to me, will be the WPA #1 at some point. Niels didn't win his first World 9-ball championship until he was 37, and we know how special a player he is.

Shane will win a WPA World 9-ball Championship --- I'm absolutely sure of it.
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As always, your pool knowledge shines through.
Two more questions....
Does the Japan tournament that Shane is in (and niels is not)earn points?
And when does the season end officially and the points are tallied?
 
TheLoneSilencer said:
'Seriously get off your bs already, gambling & being a so called favorite in a match does NOT prove who the best in the world is. For starters not every player gambles so already you can't actually provide factual proof of your theory.

Get over it, your boy at this time is NOT a world champion & this is pure fact that you & all of his die hard supporters can't deny end of story. Next....

P.S. Funny you mention how much of a fact it is that he would be the favorite. You probably believe that all pros feel that way too. Funny I can recall at a recent tournament before SVB & Ko matched up, Shaw was in the booth & said that SVB was not the favorite in that matchup when he was asked. I don't know, I have a suspicion he is a better judge as being a pro himself compared to you, just saying...
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In almost all sporting events odds makers set lines as to the different players or teams to win. The team that has the lowest payout is the favorite, so if a team is 3 to 1 to win the Superbowl and the next best team is 5 to 1 the professionals have chosen who is the favorite. It has nothing to do with whether the players gamble or not, it is setting a line for others to gamble or just to see who is favored.

Every tournament that Shane enters he is the odds on favorite, if you think someone else is more of a favorite you can find about 1,000 people to bet with you on a last longer bet with your choice against SVB.

SVB was the favorite to win the Masters of Pool Tournament and he did so, in short races like this just about any of the players had a chance to win but only one was the favorite according the experts. He wasn't a huge favorite because of the short races.

In all of the World tournaments I have seen they have very short races and do things like alternating breaks. All this does is allow the weaker players to have a better chance to upset the better players. This is why you see a different winner almost every year, there are 50 guys who can win in a tournament when you have short sets and don't allow the winner of the last game to keep the table.

If you look at the US Open which has longer sets and winner breaks you will see that only three players have won it in the last eight years! Mika, Darren and SVB all fantastic nine ball players.

Another great tournament is the Big Foot challenge at Derby, it has a fantastic field and allows the players to show their stuff in long races on a tough 10' table.

I wish pool was set up more like snooker, when someone wins that world title they have had a chance to truly prove they are the best that year.

SVB will be ranked higher than any other player to win any tournament he enters.

Oh by the way since SVB went pro:

2014 - Top Money Earner in the World
2013 - Top Money Earner in the World
2012 - Top Money Earner in the World
2011 - Top Money Earner in the World
2010 - 2nd Money Earner in the World
2009 - 2nd Money Earner in the World
2008 - 3rd Money Earner in the World
2007 - Top Money Earner in the World


Shane is the best player in the world right now and the scary part is he is still getting better! I believe as he plays in more World tournaments he will surely win a few but because of the format no one will win them consistently.

Kind of like in Poker, Phil Ivey is the best poker player in the world but he has never won the WSOP Main Event and odds are he never will, does this make him a weaker player than Chris Moneymaker?
 
GDC said:
What you are saying is right. However, I don't think the weighting of the points is right. The WC is worth 10,000 points while the US Open is worth 6600, the World Pool Masters is worth zero, and the Derby is worth zero (I do agree there is plenty of blame to go around why those events are not WPA sanctioned).

However, let's look at it this way ... in 4 out of 5 of the most prestigious pro tournaments that they both played in, China Open, WPM, Derby 9-ball, US Open, and WC, Shane finished ahead of Neils ... 4 out of 5. And Shane won 3 of those events. Yet, Feijen carries a higher ranking right now.

To be clear, I like the idea of the WPA. I just think the rating system is flawed. Find a way to unify the WPA and get all those major events sanctioned. Then apply more even weighting. And then we can crown our World Champion at the end of the year based on points. That's the way it's done in the big leagues :).
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I think we're pretty close on this. No doubt, however, that in most years, the WPA World 9-ball championship has a much tougher field than the US Open. This year was an exception. If future US Open fields will be as strong as that of 2014, I'd favor awarding more WPA ranking points for it.

Problem with awarding points for invitational evens like the WPM is the strange method of filling the field, which ensures that some of the most elite are excluded every single year.

It's all a very inexact science.
 
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Cardigan Kid said:
As always, your pool knowledge shines through.
Two more questions....
Does the Japan tournament that Shane is in (and niels is not)earn points?
And when does the season end officially and the points are tallied?
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Yes, Japan is a WPA Rankings event.

There is no rankings year. One's ranking is, I believe, based on points accumulated in the previous twelve months.
 
TheMarsMan said:
In almost all sporting events odds makers set lines as to the different players or teams to win. The team that has the lowest payout is the favorite, so if a team is 3 to 1 to win the Superbowl and the next best team is 5 to 1 the professionals have chosen who is the favorite. It has nothing to do with whether the players gamble or not, it is setting a line for others to gamble or just to see who is favored.

Every tournament that Shane enters he is the odds on favorite, if you think someone else is more of a favorite you can find about 1,000 people to bet with you on a last longer bet with your choice against SVB.

SVB was the favorite to win the Masters of Pool Tournament and he did so, in short races like this just about any of the players had a chance to win but only one was the favorite according the experts. He wasn't a huge favorite because of the short races.

In all of the World tournaments I have seen they have very short races and do things like alternating breaks. All this does is allow the weaker players to have a better chance to upset the better players. This is why you see a different winner almost every year, there are 50 guys who can win in a tournament when you have short sets and don't allow the winner of the last game to keep the table.

If you look at the US Open which has longer sets and winner breaks you will see that only three players have won it in the last eight years! Mika, Darren and SVB all fantastic nine ball players.

Another great tournament is the Big Foot challenge at Derby, it has a fantastic field and allows the players to show their stuff in long races on a tough 10' table.

I wish pool was set up more like snooker, when someone wins that world title they have had a chance to truly prove they are the best that year.

SVB will be ranked higher than any other player to win any tournament he enters.

Oh by the way since SVB went pro:

2014 - Top Money Earner in the World
2013 - Top Money Earner in the World
2012 - Top Money Earner in the World
2011 - Top Money Earner in the World
2010 - 2nd Money Earner in the World
2009 - 2nd Money Earner in the World
2008 - 3rd Money Earner in the World
2007 - Top Money Earner in the World


Shane is the best player in the world right now and the scary part is he is still getting better! I believe as he plays in more World tournaments he will surely win a few but because of the format no one will win them consistently.

Kind of like in Poker, Phil Ivey is the best poker player in the world but he has never won the WSOP Main Event and odds are he never will, does this make him a weaker player than Chris Moneymaker?
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Great post sir. I've been saying this exact thing for the last few years and the less intelligent contingent on here either don't comprehend simple math and variance (the reason short race tourneys are a bad indicator of whom the best is) or they simply choose to ignore it. The simple fact is that nobody in the world is barred from playing Shane in a long race. Who else can say that?
 
Cardigan Kid said:
As always, your pool knowledge shines through.
Two more questions....
Does the Japan tournament that Shane is in (and niels is not)earn points?
And when does the season end officially and the points are tallied?
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the All-Japan Open has been a WPA sanctioned event for years now. the current champion is Ko Pin-Yi who earned 3,300 points for the title. total points are tallied regularly after each WPA event and last year's points (for the same event) are eliminated.
 
Jaden said:
So I'm choosing to just ignore the haters, aside from that last post and this one. I won't feed the trolls any more. The saddest thing is that they are mostly just America haters, not Shane haters. They either have so much national pride that they can't admit that their (insert whatever country here) doesn't have the best player right now or they can't stand that the U.S. does...

Jaden
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some facts:
- i'm not an American
- i'm an SVB fan (especially his break)
- i look forward to meeting him later this year when he visits the Philippines (probably shake his hand or have a cueball signed)
- i have national pride for our players (who doesnt?)
- we dont have the best player right now (based on WPA rankings)
- SVB is one of the best players on the planet right now
- SVB doesnt have a world championship title

does that make me an "American hater"?
 
Well, I kinda started all this shit with my comment. In this thread anyway. But it wasn't about Shane being a world champ. It was about him being the best in the world and the facts are you can't name one player in the world that is more dominate in all facets of the game then Shane.

He plays everything world class and has the big wins to prove it.
 
TheMarsMan said:
In almost all sporting events odds makers set lines as to the different players or teams to win. The team that has the lowest payout is the favorite, so if a team is 3 to 1 to win the Superbowl and the next best team is 5 to 1 the professionals have chosen who is the favorite. It has nothing to do with whether the players gamble or not, it is setting a line for others to gamble or just to see who is favored.

Every tournament that Shane enters he is the odds on favorite, if you think someone else is more of a favorite you can find about 1,000 people to bet with you on a last longer bet with your choice against SVB.

SVB was the favorite to win the Masters of Pool Tournament and he did so, in short races like this just about any of the players had a chance to win but only one was the favorite according the experts. He wasn't a huge favorite because of the short races.

In all of the World tournaments I have seen they have very short races and do things like alternating breaks. All this does is allow the weaker players to have a better chance to upset the better players. This is why you see a different winner almost every year, there are 50 guys who can win in a tournament when you have short sets and don't allow the winner of the last game to keep the table.

If you look at the US Open which has longer sets and winner breaks you will see that only three players have won it in the last eight years! Mika, Darren and SVB all fantastic nine ball players.

Another great tournament is the Big Foot challenge at Derby, it has a fantastic field and allows the players to show their stuff in long races on a tough 10' table.

I wish pool was set up more like snooker, when someone wins that world title they have had a chance to truly prove they are the best that year.

SVB will be ranked higher than any other player to win any tournament he enters.

Oh by the way since SVB went pro:

2014 - Top Money Earner in the World
2013 - Top Money Earner in the World
2012 - Top Money Earner in the World
2011 - Top Money Earner in the World
2010 - 2nd Money Earner in the World
2009 - 2nd Money Earner in the World
2008 - 3rd Money Earner in the World
2007 - Top Money Earner in the World


Shane is the best player in the world right now and the scary part is he is still getting better! I believe as he plays in more World tournaments he will surely win a few but because of the format no one will win them consistently.

Kind of like in Poker, Phil Ivey is the best poker player in the world but he has never won the WSOP Main Event and odds are he never will, does this make him a weaker player than Chris Moneymaker?
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Really was he the faviort against the Ko boys ,, even the biggest Hugger JB said they are even , followed by Jay who said the youngest Ko might be the better , and are they the best , Mabe Maybe not ,, but certainly those 2 can play all day everyday with Shane
Those 2 have serious skills would have liked to see that race go longer than 21 but as young as they are I can't see them wearing down infact I can easily see them getting better as it appeared the older Ko was just starting to hit his gear when he finished Shane off ,
What I don't know is do these guys actualy play pool for a living or do they carry jobs and pool is not thier only sorce of income maybe someone can enlighten us on that ,, but thier certaily right there in skill set

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In my perfect world...

There would be x number of WPA sanctioned events each year. After those events the top 16 would play a seeded single elimination 9 (or 10) ball event. Races to 17 and then race to 21 in the finals. Winner breaks.

The winner of that tournament would be crowned World Champion for the year.
 
BeiberLvr said:
In my perfect world...

There would be x number of WPA sanctioned events each year. After those events the top 16 would play a seeded single elimination 9 (or 10) ball event. Races to 17 and then race to 21 in the finals. Winner breaks.

The winner of that tournament would be crowned World Champion for the year.
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if shane wins all-japan open, then there's high possibility he will be WPA Player of the Year.
 
BeiberLvr said:
In my perfect world...

There would be x number of WPA sanctioned events each year. After those events the top 16 would play a seeded single elimination 9 (or 10) ball event. Races to 17 and then race to 21 in the finals. Winner breaks.

The winner of that tournament would be crowned World Champion for the year.
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This would be a true test as it is now many players don't play in all the events so at the end of the day the rankings really tell little


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arps said:
does that make me an "American hater"?
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Ignore him. He is just another charlatanic rabblerouser employing dirty trick of politicians- name calling, sliming , crap labelling until it sticks. These jokers are incapable of rational discourse. They are attention whores- at least attention whore Kim K crashed the Internet at papermag.com showing off her boobs and butts. What have these attention whores here done ? Muahahaha
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one stroke said:
What I don't know is do these guys actualy play pool for a living or do they carry jobs and pool is not thier only sorce of income maybe someone can enlighten us on that ,, but thier certaily right there in skill set

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I think Big Ko and his buddy Chang are doing part time degree course. Maybe who knows sometime in future when they complete their degree they may play pool part time. Pool isn't exactly a career that you can make a very good living. The top players earn $100 to $200K per year.
Other similar low profile sports pay much much better-the ongoing World Chess Championship between Carlsen v Anand pays winner at least $500K and loser at least $400K. Top finishers in number of video games tourneys get paid hundreds of thousands to millions :D
 
TheLoneSilencer said:
No, it has zero to do with that. He has not won a sanctioned world championship event plain & simple. At some point he probably will but until then, he is not a world champion.
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Shane I'm sure will be devastated when he reads your comments that he's not a world champion!! I hope he doesn't sell everything and contemplate suicide
 
markgw said:
Shane I'm sure will be devastated when he reads your comments that he's not a world champion!! I hope he doesn't sell everything and contemplate suicide
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He himself admits he's not a world champion, so no, I doubt he would feel offended. It's people on this forum who do.
 
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