CTE aiming.
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Yep. I think the diagrams and explanations in the articles are very clear and definitive. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for the descriptions and demonstrations I've seen and heard for CTE and other pivot-based methods (BHE and FHE excluded ... those are very clear).
Regards,
Dave
I would have agreed with you a couple of years ago. But I think we've made some good progress the last year or so. At least we now have some documented descriptions, video demonstrations, and diagrams that can be referred to and discussed.
Regards,
Dave
FYI Dr. Dave-- there is no subtle bridge-hand shift. The shaft rotates "around" your middle finger instead of rotating on top of it. There's no shift. If memory serves, I was trying to win a bet a while back (which I was stiffed on) so I was prob cryptic on purpose. That's only for a mechanical pivot (there's zero movement at all in an air pivot).
So there - you have the answer. Your bridge is not a singular point of rotation and there is no shifting. The shaft contact point moves from the top of the finger to the side. There's zero lateral shift, which is why the bridge's base never moves.
The bridge length only gets adjusted for mechanical pivots where the OB/CB distance is less than your bridge length. Bridge length is never adjusted for air pivots.
We learn something new every day, eh?
I personally am willing to give it a go. Maybe for stupid reasons.
I played an online game for a while where little tanks shot at each other. There was wind and elevation and different shot weights to deal with. Players who didn't want to play it by feel eventually came up with aiming formulas and systems... and some of them worked well, despite needing little adjustments and tweaks. You came up with a few simple rules, then a few expanded rules to add on, then some exceptions, then some more subtle adjustments for oddball situations, and if you remembered all these rules you could make almost any shot. It sounds like a hassle but it got you proficient at shotmaking really fast, if you had the right mindset.
I suspect this works the same way. It can get you from point A to point B faster than the process of just hitting a million balls. However if you're already at point B and can make most shots on feel alone, it's gonna seem pointless.
I played an online game for a while where little tanks shot at each other. There was wind and elevation and different shot weights to deal with. Players who didn't want to play it by feel eventually came up with aiming formulas and systems... and some of them worked well, despite needing little adjustments and tweaks. You came up with a few simple rules, then a few expanded rules to add on, then some exceptions, then some more subtle adjustments for oddball situations, and if you remembered all these rules you could make almost any shot. It sounds like a hassle but it got you proficient at shotmaking really fast, if you had the right mindset.
I suspect this works the same way. It can get you from point A to point B faster than the process of just hitting a million balls. However if you're already at point B and can make most shots on feel alone, it's gonna seem pointless.
Thank you for the clarifications. I think we are in complete agreement. Whether you use a "mechanical pivot" or an "air pivot," the effective pivot length does need to change for different shots in a range around a "reference shot." This is very clear in the diagrams in my articles. It was also clear in that demonstration video (along with Colin's animation) you posted and then removed a year or so ago. With a mechanical pivot, the base of the bridge doesn't need to shift, but where the pivot point is on your fingers does. If you are pivoting in air, it is very easy to change the effective pivot length for different shots. The skill comes in changing it the amount necessary for a particular shot. You, and others that do well with CTE and other pivot-based techniques, apparently are good at the subtle pivot "adjustments."
Regards,
Dave
I still think you don't get it. It's not even a real adjustment (there's ZERO skill involved hahaha). You pretend your cue extends to the OB vertical plane and then you move your cue like it's a minute hand on a face of a clock until it hits center ball. The size of the "clock face" is determined by the length of the shot.
It's SOOOO easy, a caveman can do it (or Dr. Dave)....but a caveman won't do it because he doesn't exist. I'm still not sure why you can't do it yet
You'll eventually get it.
I'll keep trying, but I still prefer DAM.I still think you don't get it. It's not even a real adjustment (there's ZERO skill involved hahaha). You pretend your cue extends to the OB vertical plane and then you move your cue like it's a minute hand on a face of a clock until it hits center ball. The size of the "clock face" is determined by the length of the shot.
It's SOOOO easy, a caveman can do it (or Dr. Dave)....but a caveman won't do it because he doesn't exist. I'm still not sure why you can't do it yet
Regards,
Dr. "Caveman" Dave
The more Elephant Man reads about CTE and the more diagrams Elephant Man studies, the less possible it seems that this system can actually work. Elephant Man will try to make adjustments later, but the outlook does not seem promising...
Elephant Man not so different from Caveman.
What I don't understand is why people can't accept it unless it can be diagrammed/explained. If it works, who cares and why? Hal explained this to me on the phone.
The # I have is: 484-623-4144 but I seriously doubt anyone will call him. For some odd reason, the scoffers never do. Well, one has, but Hal no longer talks to him.
If the number doesn't work, you may be able to find a current one using the search function.
The # I have is: 484-623-4144 but I seriously doubt anyone will call him. For some odd reason, the scoffers never do. Well, one has, but Hal no longer talks to him.
If the number doesn't work, you may be able to find a current one using the search function.
C'mon stop--- you're not trying at all. I sometimes wonder what your motivation is. I mean, I'm not selling anything - so I'm not biased one way or another. I wonder if you "happened" to get it, if it would immediately obsolete that ENTIRE veps collection you just made. hmmmm All that really tough stuff you cover in your videos is great, but everything can be simplified into a short pivoting DVD. I guess it's just not as marketable. Simple doesn't sell, unfortunately. So, I guess I know where you're coming from. Me speaka no engleeesh either.
Elephant man should get a lesson cause elephant man study bad info. Outlook of e-man getting a lesson does not seem promising...
Pushout...That's the same # I have for Hal too. I visited Hal in PA almost two years ago, and spent some time with him on CTE. He was in poor health back then. I don't know what his condition is today.
Hal...If you read this, I hope you're feeling better...and live to be 100! Thanks for the time you generously spent with me! :thumbup:
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Hal...If you read this, I hope you're feeling better...and live to be 100! Thanks for the time you generously spent with me! :thumbup:
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
What say you, Effren?
Words from the master( personally told to me):
Ka loko americans. Kailangan mong magkaroon ng isang kolehiyo degree sa bumaril pool. Hold stick, pindutin ang bola, pumunta ito sa butas. Walang mga slide tuntunin kailangan. NATING mga Pilipino ay hindi kailangan walang mabaho CTE apunta sistema.
Words from the master( personally told to me):
Ka loko americans. Kailangan mong magkaroon ng isang kolehiyo degree sa bumaril pool. Hold stick, pindutin ang bola, pumunta ito sa butas. Walang mga slide tuntunin kailangan. NATING mga Pilipino ay hindi kailangan walang mabaho CTE apunta sistema.
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Dr. Spiderwebcomm
p.s. i can describe the system in 5 mins while at a table in a systematic fashion where anyone can get it without "working" on the system.
I have been intertested in learning the system for a while. I would love to see you do that and upload it on youtube.
Dr. Spiderwebcomm
p.s. i can describe the system in 5 mins while at a table in a systematic fashion where anyone can get it without "working" on the system.
I have been intertested in learning the system for a while. I would love to see you do that and upload it on youtube.
Would never do that while Hal's alive. Secondly, I wouldn't want to step on guys like Stan and Tom who make a living giving cte lessons. Finally, if I made a comprehensive video, it'd be a DVD and it wouldnt be on youtube. Any $ I'd make I'd give to Hal, that's for sure. It's his info.
Dave,
So now his Video Encyclopedia can be supplanted by CTE? Do us a favor and look up the term "reductio ad absurdum." While it only strictly applies to reasoned arguments, it seems to have some relevance here. You might also want to check out "supercilious."
Jim
That's not fair. Over many years, I have talked to many of the strong proponents of all of the "aiming systems." I have tried everything everybody has suggested, I have asked many questions, and I tried to get answers and apply them to what I was trying. I have also spent countless hours reading literally thousands of posts about CTE and related systems over the years. If I don't "get it," it isn't because I haven't tried. I think I just try to "get it" more than some people.
My "motivation" is to learn and share everything I can about this wonderful game.
Everybody is "biased" by their opinions, including you and me.
Spidey, very few concepts and principles in VEPS are tied to any specific aiming system. Even BHE and FHE (which are covered in detail in VEPS-II) can be used to compensate for squirt and swerve with any aiming system. Now, on VEPS-I, we do show some simple techniques that can help with ghost-ball visualization, but that can be helpful regardless of which type of "aiming system" you might use. None of the principles and techniques covered on Discs III through V (or on most of Discs I and II) rely on or preclude any particular type of basic "aiming system." Now, we do present many useful "aiming systems" for kicks and banks on Disc IV; but, again, these aren't tied to any particular sighting/alignment/visualization/pivoting system.
Thank you. Now you are finally making some sense. :grin-square:
Spidey, check out the table of contents for the VEPS series (and the list of shots for each Disc) and I think you will see how off you are. I know you've seen Disc I, but I'm not sure you know what's covered in the rest of the series.
Concerning the "simplicity" of CTE, I disagree. If it were so simple, it wouldn't take so many years of lengthy debates to get to this point, where we still don't have a complete and clear description of what CTE is or how it is applied to a wide range of shots without "adjustment" (e.g., variable "air pivot").
I assume you were referring to CTE here. If you were, I disagree. A lot of people seem to be happy to pay for CTE lessons. Although, I agree with you that it probably wouldn't do very well in instructional-video format.
Regards,
Dave
