Cue Balls - The new ones suck - the measle especially...

Has the measle cue ball ruined the pool games?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 17.5%
  • No

    Votes: 132 82.5%

  • Total voters
    160

CrownCityCorey

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From a player's perspective, has the measle cue ball messed up the pool game?

In the last few weeks, I have been paying a lot of attention to this cue ball.

The Reno Open was played with Measle Balls (and 860 Simonis) that with only one week of play on them, these were purchased new before Juniors and Wheelchair Champs, look 100x worse than my Measle Ball that I have had for 3+ years now.

A friend called Aramith and was told that they recently changed the finish composition for cost savings. Well these new ones get the cloth color burns on them real bad! They skid like mad. You can't ever get them clean - they had a Diamond Ball Cleaning machine at the Reno Open - cleaned at the start of the day and before the evening session. These balls just suck! But then again, have they not always sucked?

So last weekend I played in another tournament with Red Circle cue balls on 860 Simonis. The balls play great! Tracking the way they are supposed to. No skids and are clean.

I play some more that weekend at Fatboy's with Blue Circle cue balls and 860 Simonis again. The ball tracks well and no skids. Just perfect. Fatboy, Max E., and I talk about cue balls for a few minutes and Fatboy brings out another Blue Circle Cue ball that has a very different abrasion factor going on. You can feel it when you rub it against an object ball with your hand. He hated that ball, and I agree. I'll bet it was treated like those new measle balls.

So anyway, I am back in the office and was hitting balls here with a Blue Circle Cue ball ('bout 7 years old) on 860 Simonis, and I am just loving how it's tracking, no skids, and staying clean.

Over the last several years, I have had 100's of discussions about cue balls with top players and with regard to the measle ball, most think it sucks. I never really paid attention, but with the recent cue ball highlights, I am inclined to agree.

Something is messed up about that ball!

There are so many pool scientists on this forum, folks I know personally as well, that have weighed and measure these balls - claiming they are the same as the rest of the balls. But, I tell you, they just don't feel right!

Some top notch players, yes there are a few I know, are looking to quit the game because of that cue ball.

What do you all think?

P.S. I know this is more of a rant, but hopefully you get the gist of it.
 
measle ball

I have a measle ball that is a few year old. Can't break with it or hit it hard unless you want a lot of tiny speckles on it. The real issue is that it rolls further than a red circle of the same weight. Practicing with it to compete with the red circle cue ball throws my speed off. If I know I am going to compete with the measle ball, then I break it out for practice.

Hu
 
CrownCityCorey said:
From a player's perspective, has the measle cue ball messed up the pool game?

In the last few weeks, I have been paying a lot of attention to this cue ball.

The Reno Open was played with Measle Balls (and 860 Simonis) that with only one week of play on them, these were purchased new before Juniors and Wheelchair Champs, look 100x worse than my Measle Ball that I have had for 3+ years now.

A friend called Aramith and was told that they recently changed the finish composition for cost savings. Well these new ones get the cloth color burns on them real bad! They skid like mad. You can't ever get them clean - they had a Diamond Ball Cleaning machine at the Reno Open - cleaned at the start of the day and before the evening session. These balls just suck! But then again, have they not always sucked?

So last weekend I played in another tournament with Red Circle cue balls on 860 Simonis. The balls play great! Tracking the way they are supposed to. No skids and are clean.

I play some more that weekend at Fatboy's with Blue Circle cue balls and 860 Simonis again. The ball tracks well and no skids. Just perfect. Fatboy, Max E., and I talk about cue balls for a few minutes and Fatboy brings out another Blue Circle Cue ball that has a very different abrasion factor going on. You can feel it when you rub it against an object ball with your hand. He hated that ball, and I agree. I'll bet it was treated like those new measle balls.

So anyway, I am back in the office and was hitting balls here with a Blue Circle Cue ball ('bout 7 years old) on 860 Simonis, and I am just loving how it's tracking, no skids, and staying clean.

Over the last several years, I have had 100's of discussions about cue balls with top players and with regard to the measle ball, most think it sucks. I never really paid attention, but with the recent cue ball highlights, I am inclined to agree.

Something is messed up about that ball!

There are so many pool scientists on this forum, folks I know personally as well, that have weighed and measure these balls - claiming they are the same as the rest of the balls. But, I tell you, they just don't feel right!

Some top notch players, yes there are a few I know, are looking to quit the game because of that cue ball.

What do you all think?

P.S. I know this is more of a rant, but hopefully you get the gist of it.
Hey man, I personally have not noticed a difference in the measle balls. I do know that We bought 2 of them in Oregon about 5 months ago and Earl and Johnny keep them all the time so they have one for the pool schools and exhibitions etc. They must be an older version that we got that were the good ones because they still use them with no complaints and Earl puts ALOT of action on the cb during the exhibitions.
Maybe anyone who wants a measle ball should go to the local retailer and ask how long they have had their measle balls in stock and just buy the older ones. Thanks for the info though because those balls are quite expensive and I would hate for someone to pay $30.00 and find that it gets worn easy and does not play right. Merry Christmas by the way,
 
It plays " heavier" imo.
Hard to draw and easier to follow.
God forbid if you have it as cueball to a Premier or Crown set of balls. Then you'd really find out they play much heavier.
 
Corey, you need to have this conversation with Dan Wallace. You two have a lot in common on this subject.

What I've witnessed from higher skilled players (including a lot of the pros I've seen use it at the US Open and Derby City Classic) is that they like it.

It is curious that there is the same type of complaints from the 'players' that there was when the 'slow nappy cloth' was replaced by Simonis.

When the red/blue circle was replaced by the Pro Cup, in the late 90s (has it been 10 years?) there was a similar resistance of its use by the players. But, the majority seem to accept it and have learned how to use it.

Now Sulac has changed the finish coating? for cost saving? I was under the impression that the Pro Cup cue ball was of the same composition from the middle to the edge, the same as the caroom and 3 cushion balls.

What's next?
 
Tom In Cincy said:
Corey, you need to have this conversation with Dan Wallace. You two have a lot in common on this subject.

I have. Many times :wink: LOL!

Tom In Cincy said:
Now Sulac has changed the finish coating? for cost saving?

Yeah. Because of all the skids at the Reno Open, Ramin Bhaktari made the call to inquire and that was the response he got.

Trevor Smith and I played each other in the 3rd round of the winners side and we had no less than 8 skids that match!
 
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Corey,

Trevor plays out of Hard Times here in Sacramento. I know him well.

He has a very keen opinion on the different rails, cloth, object balls and cue balls.

I don't remember him saying anything negative about the Pro Cup cue ball.

I will ask him about the skids at Reno. I am sure you are correct about the 'skids' I've heard the same thing. IMO that happens a lot with dirty balls. But if the new coating is not the same surface as the old, then there is another reason skid happens.

Were the Pro Cup cue balls purchased NEW to replace the old Pro Cup balls or were all NEW sets of balls purchased?

It would be a mistake to just purchase the NEW Pro Cup cue ball and play with the OLD set of balls. That is just penny pinching and not IMO good for the game.

CrownCityCorey said:
Trevor Smith and I played each other in the 3rd round of the winners side and we had no less than 8 skids that match!
 
absolutely.....

CrownCityCorey said:
I have. Many times :wink: LOL!



Yeah. Because of all the skids at the Reno Open, Ramin Bhaktari made the call to inquire and that was the response he got.

Trevor Smith and I played each other in the 3rd round of the winners side and we had no less than 8 skids that match!


Dan and I have had that conversation many times as well. It DOES skid more and it does play heavier. I have one at home that I practice with just to get used to it, but I still prefer playing with my blue dot.

I was playing my brother last week on my table and he said we better play with the measle ball since that seems to be the one all of the tourneys are going to.

We did, but come on.... Does it have to be that way. It skids soo often it makes you apprehensive to take certain shots.

oh well.....

I guess we just have to get used to it. I have 760 on my home table so it plays a little easier but geez.

Jaden

I definitely empathize with you Corey.

It also reminds me of my match against Melissa Herndon in last years ten ball event that Jay put on. I was up two nothing with a good break on the third rack and an open table. The ball happened to be the only one in the event that was a red dot, and Jay comes running over and switches out the ball for the measle ball mid rack. I didn't have the speed down for the rest of the match and missed a couple of key safeties by a hair....

I don't hold it against you Jay. I just don't prefer the measle ball.
 
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I'm glad...

ShootingArts said:
.......... The real issue is that it rolls further than a red circle of the same weight. ......
Hu

I'm not the only one.........................

Merry Christmas

td
 
I have both the red circle and pro cup. What I have notice:

1) The pro cup ball is perfectly matched to my Super Aramith Pro balls.

2) The pro cup ball does require more cleaning as chalk tends to stick to it more than the red circle. No issues seen with any other marks.

3) I have no trouble with spinning, drawing or following with the pro cup ball, but I have noticed that it tends to roll more than the red circle.

4) I prefer playing with the pro cup ball as I can see the spin and it gives me feedback and on some shots it helps me aim. I don't see how it could hurt, unless of course the finish on the new ones are indeed inferior to earlier ones.
 
I have not had the chance to play with the new generation of measle balls so I don't know about the skids you guys are talking about.

However I can say that I do have one of the original balls and have always found it to play quite different than the red circle, which is my favorite.

I have heard from a couple of sources and it's probably just a rumor that the the measle balls core is made differently that other balls and that's why it plays so different even though it weights about the same. It is more difficult to draw and it runs through the object much easier.

Does anyone have any info as to the core issue?

When it first came out people would ask me what I thought about it I would joke and say that I didn't like it because it forced me to revel all of my secret spins.
 
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I agree. Something is messed up but i think it includes the whole set, and not just the cue ball.

Personally, i think that the balls are made up of a different thermo resin that are slightly more elastic then say Old Brunswick Centennials or even the old Pro Aramiths.

When i go from Centennials to the Measle ball set, it almost feels like i am playing with superballs when i observe how they seem to bounce of each other.

Someone needs to get some carbon paper, and get different sets of balls, and have that impact test with 2 balls on either side of a piece of paper and carbon paper to see exactly how much surface contact is actually happening with each set of balls to make a determination, cause SOMETHING is different.

Sure you have to adjust to different equipment, but i have NEVER liked the pro cup measle cue ball set.
EVER.
 
The Dog liked mine

She chewed it up!:(
I'm actually kind of glad. I much perfer the red circle for change we use the blue
Years back we measured them the measel was 10 thousandths bigger
It should roll further and be harder to draw.
 
CrownCityCorey said:
these were purchased new before Juniors and Wheelchair Champs, look 100x worse than my Measle Ball that I have had for 3+ years now.

A friend called Aramith and was told that they recently changed the finish composition for cost savings. Well these new ones get the cloth color burns on them real bad! They skid like mad. .
So the problem doesn't sound like the Measles Ball; it sounds like a problem with Saluc.

This post answers a lot of those previous posts claiming that the Measles Ball plays heavy and such, whereas mine (one of the first run of Measles Balls) is perfect and beautiful. The new ones with the "new finish for cost saving" won't do anyone any good.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
So the problem doesn't sound like the Measles Ball; it sounds like a problem with Saluc.

This post answers a lot of those previous posts claiming that the Measles Ball plays heavy and such, whereas mine (one of the first run of Measles Balls) is perfect and beautiful. The new ones with the "new finish for cost saving" won't do anyone any good.

Fred

Well, even the old measle ball plays funny, IMO. It plays heavy. Just the new ones have also added the "new coating" issue.
 
I agree, the measle ball does play heavy and rolls more. I don't notice an increase in skidding though.
 
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