Do you expect players to buy half of themselves in a Calcutta and if a player doesn't want to be in the Calcutta what do you do?
Darren Forfeits Beloit
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Do you expect players to buy half of themselves in a Calcutta and if a player doesn't want to be in the Calcutta what do you do?
I think Lou was close, but looking at it wrong. Darren shouldnt be asked to do anything. Corey, Shane, and Sky should pay Darren the expected value (EV) that they profited by him sleeping in. The other backers should give the OP a piece of their calcutta action to restore order.
Post is certainly made in gest. Calcuttas are risky business, especially when bids go that high. I cant imagine being a player and feeling obligated to get half or be responsible for what ever corporations come up with those high dollars.
~Perk
Post is certainly made in gest. Calcuttas are risky business, especially when bids go that high. I cant imagine being a player and feeling obligated to get half or be responsible for what ever corporations come up with those high dollars.
~Perk
thanks appreciate it
Darren
It is rare for world class players to post here and I'm going to take advantage of the opportunity to ask a question.
Aside from when you are bridging off the rail do you ever use a closed bridge and if so, when and why?
Thanks.
Ah a poker player's point of view
. Should we throw in the word variance or will that derail this thread too much!?
Did you steal that from Randall and a Action Room thread???
I (along with several others) have explained in this thread why we think calcuttas at events such as this support and benefit the event along with the players in the event. Furthermore, they bestow the most benefit to those players with the greatest chances of winning the event...the pros.
Please see my post #224 for an explanation of why I feel this is true. If you disagree, I'd be interested in understanding why.
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I understand. All this time I thought you were hoping to profit for yourself.
Darren, I'm with you pal !..But look how popular you must be !..Who else could generate over 300 posts, just by 'oversleeping' and missing your tee time !..I thought it might end, when you apologized.. But no, some people beat it to death..! Yes, I'm talking about you LOU !..You should be ashamed of yourself, for making such an issue of it, and insulting Darren's professionalism !..Isn't it about time to end this fiasco ?..:sorry:
PS..I hope I never oversleep, and miss 'happy hour' at my bar !...Now there is an unforgivable sin, Lou !
PS..I hope I never oversleep, and miss 'happy hour' at my bar !...Now there is an unforgivable sin, Lou !
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I absolutely was, no doubt about it. But what does that have to do with my point that cacluttas are good for events and the pros that play in the event?
...and as a corollary, actions that hurt the calcutta (people sleeping in, forfeiting, dumping, etc...) are bad for the event and the pros that play in that event.
and I guess that's really my main point.
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I'd bet on you all day in an old women butch haircut tournament. Don't oversleep or show up with BED HEAD!!!!
Don't take it personal, my mom has the same hair and I love her to death!
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I understand that but understand this... if they don't have a piece of themselves then they could care less what side bets are happening on them. They're coming to win, for them. Whatever action happens on them is 3rd party shit and they don't have time to be thinking about all that.
Yes, it's good action and I'm glad people who can't play are winning money on those who can... that makes the game worth watching sometimes, but don't get it twisted and think the players should care about you and your bet.
Don't get it twisted and think that I, even for a moment, assumed that Darren would care about any money I may or may not have bet on him. I only assumed he would care enough about the sport, the event, the event organizer, the hundreds of fans that showed up, and the fans who paid to watch the stream to wake up, show up, and play his best. I clearly made a bad bet and it cost me. You live and learn.
But I think you're 100% correct that Darren feels much worse about this than I do....as well he should. Why? Because I guarantee you, this will have a bigger impact on him than $2,450 will have on me. The impact will be to his wallet (it was a 16,000 first prize after all), his reputation (otherwise undeserved), and unfortunately his sport (not exactly in great shape as it is).
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Why I feel really bad for BJ.
BJ never thought for a second that he was betting on whether Darren would get out of bed. this is a horrendous way to lose your money.
Why I feel really bad for Darren:
He gets a bad rap because there are people who apparently think that gamblers who buy players in calcuttas are in some way staking the players, and that just isn't so.
best,
brian kc
BJ never thought for a second that he was betting on whether Darren would get out of bed. this is a horrendous way to lose your money.
Why I feel really bad for Darren:
He gets a bad rap because there are people who apparently think that gamblers who buy players in calcuttas are in some way staking the players, and that just isn't so.
best,
brian kc
Did he stay at a hotel or a friends house? Only reason I ask is they have a wakeup call in hotels and will call multiple times if you don't answer the first time...wondering if he tried to set that up and they didn't call. The phones ring loud in hotel rooms so it would be practically impossible not to wake up.
He made a mistake and the AZ firing squad of trolls are letting him have it... but it will all be forgotten when some whatever tournament happens next month doesn't pay the players or someone gets caught snorting adderall.
Do I think that Darren is obligated to pay this many back his money? No - nothing was communicated to the players that they would be forced to pay a calcutta bid if they missed their match. What if he didn't over sleep but his wife was in a bad car accident and he felt compelled to leave.
Do I think that tournaments survive in part cause of the audience that show up to partake in calcuttas? Yes. 100% Yes. If this happened at every tournament, it would undoubtedly have an effect. A one time occurrence, probably not.
Maybe Darren should offer this man the opportunity to by his player half in the next tournament Darren is in that has a calcutta. He is obviously a top player and normally a sound investment. And it doesn't seem that Darren buys his own half. Getting Darren's half without having to bid on him would mean getting him for a discount.