Mungtor said:
Please add that my post was over and hour after the fact. In other words, when their posts came in isn't as important as the lack of response to them.
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Please add that my post was over and hour after the fact. In other words, when their posts came in isn't as important as the lack of response to them.
Teacherman said:
While you have felt quite comfortable insulting posters on both this thread and the last, you immediately reference the 4 posts following Mike's statement in which the insults are directed at you. Then you immediately call for leadership. I thought it was quite clear to anyone who can read between your sneaky little lines.
Now, seeing as you seem to think my intelligence is somewhat lacking, why don't you explain to a simpleton like me the commitment you feel they players should be living up to.
It should be an easy question, since you have given us all the impression that you have a cut and dry answer.
Teacherman said:
No.......you just post and then edit the post to cast the illusion that you were misunderstood.
Teacherman said:
Yes I do (and damn proud of it)
Edited for clarification: Pool is by no means my source of income.
I also play chess, dominos, fly fish, shoot sporting clays
All quite well too
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I don't necessarily like the way TM comes across or the way he delivers his message but I really have a hard time disagreeing with what he's saying. I've been playing pool a lot for the last 22 years and as much as I hate to say this, if I owned a ph and depended on it to make a decent living, I wouldn't cater to the serious pool players either.
I seriously doubt that anyone here would disagree that there isn't much money in pool. Given that, those that are trying to eke out a living playing pool are not in the position of spending a lot of money in a ph. They might gamble and lose a bunch of money but it probably will be lost to another good pool player trying to eke out a living the same way. Players that gamble high need to have money to gamble with. Any money spent is money that can't be gambled with. This doesn't help the ph owner pay his nut. The people that do spend money are those that work for a living because month in and month out, they get their paychecks and are perfectly willing to spend that money because they know another check is coming. Conversely, pool players don't know when the next payday is coming.
I seriously doubt that anyone here would disagree that there isn't much money in pool. Given that, those that are trying to eke out a living playing pool are not in the position of spending a lot of money in a ph. They might gamble and lose a bunch of money but it probably will be lost to another good pool player trying to eke out a living the same way. Players that gamble high need to have money to gamble with. Any money spent is money that can't be gambled with. This doesn't help the ph owner pay his nut. The people that do spend money are those that work for a living because month in and month out, they get their paychecks and are perfectly willing to spend that money because they know another check is coming. Conversely, pool players don't know when the next payday is coming.
Hey Simpleton,
The issue is saying one thing and doing another.
Like saying money is added to a tournament when none is.
Like the UPA claiming to protect the players but they don't.
Like saying you don't like posters who attack others personally
because they disagree with them and then allowing it.
Like players signing up for league or tournament but no showing.
Like......
on and on and on.
Pool is dominated by the bait and switch. It doesn't lead to earning any respect. Desn't lead to a solid business atmosphere.
The issue is saying one thing and doing another.
Like saying money is added to a tournament when none is.
Like the UPA claiming to protect the players but they don't.
Like saying you don't like posters who attack others personally
because they disagree with them and then allowing it.
Like players signing up for league or tournament but no showing.
Like......
on and on and on.
Pool is dominated by the bait and switch. It doesn't lead to earning any respect. Desn't lead to a solid business atmosphere.
Rickw said:
Rickw, This may be of some interest to you. We did a blanket survey to see what our tour players demographis were. Some of the results are listed below. It's a little interesting. I think you will notice that many of them make a decent living, own homes and are married. It's a pretty good cultural mix.
Hopefully this will give you insight to the term POOL PLAYER.
It would also be nice if somebody could tell me what all this means. I'm a dork, I just collect the info but don't know what to do with it. Bob Jewett, I need you on this one.
Age breakdown
50-59 8 %
26-29 9 %
40-49 12 %
18-25 14 %
30-39 14 %
under 18 3 %
60 or over 2 %
Unanswered 38 %
Marital Status %
married 25 %
divorced 5 %
other 2 %
single 26 %
Unanswered 42 %
Income %
$90,000 - $99,000 1 %
$16,000 - $29,000 6 %
$40,000 - $49,000 5 %
$100,000 or over 5 %
$70,000 - $79,000 2 %
$60,000 - $69,000 2 %
$30,000 - $39,000 8 %
$80,000 - $89,000 1 %
$50,000 - $59,000 5 %
Unanswered 56 %
Education %
some college 28 %
bachelor's degree 11 %
high school diploma 14 %
graduate degree 4 %
grammar/middle school 3 %
Unanswered 41 %
Home Ownership %
other 11 %
own 27 %
rent 14 %
Unanswered 48 %
Gender %
female 7 %
male 56 %
Unanswered 37 %
Mj
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Those numbers are both telling and frightening.
Now go back to your meeting.
Now go back to your meeting.
Teacherman said:
What it sounds like to me (and I am refraining from being insulting or critical)
is that the atmosphere you have created is one where people do not take the game seriously.(that's not a bad thing) It sounds like you have more of a sports bar atmosphere where the bangers can go and teach their girlfriends how to "shoot pool".
A little pool hall in town has 8 diamond 7' tables. Their first tournament turnout was over 70 players (who ate, drank, and made merry), $1000 added, and a calcutta with @ $10,000 in it.
Everyone enjoyed it so much, they draw a large crowd once a month to play.
His regular business isn't bad either.
But then he caters to what they want.
He doesn't give it away, but he makes them feel at home.
Many well known road players and pros have come to compete. And the locals don't just let them walk through either.
BazookaJoe said:
"My atmosphere" has created at least 3 National Championships, several 2nd's and 3rd's, and a host of top 10's on an individual basis.
My atmosphere has also created a team National Championship, a couple of second place finishes and a host of top 10's.
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Teacherman said:
Well,
Have a few of these champions bring their game down south to Chattanooga.
i'm sure they can get a game.
BazookaJoe said:
I heard that kid that can barely reach the table in my avatar can beat anyone in Chattanooga.
MikeJanis said:
Mike,
I think the 56% that didn't want to answer the question about their income level helped to confirm my post. The most important thing to a gambler is the money they play with and they're not going to squandor it. As a matter of fact, they don't even want you to know how much they have.
Quote Teacherman "There are usually 1 or 2 posters on my side, a few neutral and several against."
The actual statistics on this thread 1 or 2 for and over 20 against.
Best post on the thread has to be the one by UGOTDA7 simply:
Teacherman = http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
It is an very good description of Teacherman or Fast Larry and gives a simple solution when someone is craving this type of attention. Just type in "TROLL alert" LOL
Wayne
The actual statistics on this thread 1 or 2 for and over 20 against.
Best post on the thread has to be the one by UGOTDA7 simply:
Teacherman = http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
It is an very good description of Teacherman or Fast Larry and gives a simple solution when someone is craving this type of attention. Just type in "TROLL alert" LOL
Wayne
Fwiw
Age breakdown
Unanswered 38 %
Marital Status %
Unanswered 42 %
Income %
Unanswered 56 %
Education %
Unanswered 41 %
Home Ownership %
Unanswered 48 %
Gender %
Unanswered 37 %
Mj[/QUOTE]
I would have to say that statistically speaking this set of data would be irrelivant for any sort of decision making. Too much unanswered. And you have to wonder about the validity of the answers. The income ones, plus the gender one. How can you answer income seriously when you can't figure out gender, if your married, graduated HS or have a job?
I wonder if we haven't shot the messenger? (Teacherman) THINK about it, WHAT is said is very valid. If you reread some of the posts by all, like chefjeff said, There is some very interesting food for thought and discussion. Without emotion. I guess I just tend to be more analytical.
Didn't some players raise a ruckus somewhere in a pool tourny in the IL, IN area this past winter?? Just remember hearing something about it. Something to do with adding up the fees, entries, added moneys and not being able to make the math work out.
I would love to have a room that catered to the 'real' pool player, but sadly, I don't think it could exist in the 'pay the light bill, mortgage, help, and repair bill' world. Everytime I run numbers they get red way to fast. Maybe if the lottery ticket comes through.
Age breakdown
Unanswered 38 %
Marital Status %
Unanswered 42 %
Income %
Unanswered 56 %
Education %
Unanswered 41 %
Home Ownership %
Unanswered 48 %
Gender %
Unanswered 37 %
Mj[/QUOTE]
I would have to say that statistically speaking this set of data would be irrelivant for any sort of decision making. Too much unanswered. And you have to wonder about the validity of the answers. The income ones, plus the gender one. How can you answer income seriously when you can't figure out gender, if your married, graduated HS or have a job?
I wonder if we haven't shot the messenger? (Teacherman) THINK about it, WHAT is said is very valid. If you reread some of the posts by all, like chefjeff said, There is some very interesting food for thought and discussion. Without emotion. I guess I just tend to be more analytical.
Didn't some players raise a ruckus somewhere in a pool tourny in the IL, IN area this past winter?? Just remember hearing something about it. Something to do with adding up the fees, entries, added moneys and not being able to make the math work out.
I would love to have a room that catered to the 'real' pool player, but sadly, I don't think it could exist in the 'pay the light bill, mortgage, help, and repair bill' world. Everytime I run numbers they get red way to fast. Maybe if the lottery ticket comes through.
Teacherman said:
I didn't say every one had to agree. I just said to not let the debate break down into name calling because someone doesn't agree with you. And just because you don't care what people think about you (fairly obvious), doesn't mean that everyone feels the same way you do.
Teacherman said:
And I do agree with some of the things you have said. I don't agree with the way you have said them, just the things that you said. No different than conversations I have had with Charlie Williams about the UPA back in the beginning. I didn't agree with the way he did things, but I did agree that something needed to be done.
I hold a series of events here in Arizona and I am put in the position of having to go to rooms (usually owned by people that I have known in the local pool scene for years) and ask them if they want to run an event. Some of them tell me that they don't make their money back when they run an event and they also don't like dealing with certain local players that can have a somewhat abrasive attitude (kind of similar to yours).
Most of these room owners still run events, because they are trying to do their part to grow the game and help support it. They feel that by holding events like this occasionally, then they can draw the players in long term and stay on the 'pool map'. On the other hand, if they don't want to hold an event, I completely understand and move on.
Teacherman said:
Now we do have an issue here. I try very hard to stay out of these conversations and this is not the first thread of yours that I have been asked to look at. I am usually pretty easy going about most users here and the last thing I ever want to do is ban a user. Many people post on here that these are my forums and are therefore based on my rules. I don't think you will find any messages where I stated this.
However, for you to say that my behavior on my boards is unacceptable is out of line. I don't think you would allow someone to walk into your room and say that your behavior in your room was unacceptable. You would tell them where the door was and to not let it hit them on the way out. If you don't find my behavior on my site acceptable, I suggest you find another board to post on.
Teacherman said:
Actually, the next 4 posts were Mike Templeton insulting you, drivermaker referring to another user's handle which had nothing to do with you, Bazooka Joe asking you a question and Mike Templeton making fun of you again. So, really your complaint is about one person, not four.
Teacherman said:
Not my job to lead the pool world. I leave that up to the BCA and the UPA.
Teacherman said:
Again, it was one poster. Here, this is just for you...
Mike Templeton. Please stop insulting Teacherman!! Keep the thread on a subject and don't just throw insults.
Teacherman said:
No one is being banned here yet.
Let me reiterate though, just because you might have some good points to bring up doesn't mean that your method of bringing them up is a good one. If you don't want to hold a Viking event, then don't hold one. You don't have to condemn Mike Janis for running a tour where he makes a little money.
Also remember, that this is my forum. Certain people who have been a part of the forum for a long time are given a little extra slack. But in the end, the only person I answer to about how I run this site is me.
Mike
RAZOR ROG said:Jeff,
Norm may have used that saying, but I think it was first used by one of the 3 Stooges, I think Curly, way back when. JMO Carry on gentlemen!
Thanks for the update...I have an Advanced Degree in Comedy College (seriously) and I should probably known better. I thought that I saw Norm in an interview 20 years, or so, ago explaining how he came up with that remark, but hey, my memory isn't what it used to be.
I'll never forget ol' what's his name,
Jeff Livingston