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[JoeyInCali]

Ya know what, I'm beginning to think that playing with 4" pockets must hurt everyone's game, because if they play so damn great with 4" pockets...what happens to them same players when they're playing on a table with 4 1/2" pockets? I would think they'd be running out from everywhere because they're a 1/2" bigger then what they're use to playing on....so, how come that don't help with getting the win on an easier table to play on?

I believe SVB himself said he won't play on that Hard Times dreaded table.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=v0H8UMyyQ3Y#t=2s

 

[CreeDo]

people don't realize how much better dennis is when you tighten the table you see who really is the best player all around because it show the flaws in your game. dennis have no flaws does everything right. shanes break evens the score on a bucket table and dennis is also traveling to a foreign country to play. I have not seen shane win overseas yet. dennis wins everywhere he goes. Shane is a great player but dennis is the greatest player on the planet without question.

I would say scratching on the break about 1 out of every 7 times is a flaw.
I would say breaking dry 20-30% of the time is a flaw.

Even if you won't admit dennis' flaws, it's ok, because dennis will.
I can almost guarantee he's practicing his break every day. ^^

And if someone is better than shane on strange equipment... that's great!
That player deserves as much fame and glory as the best basketball player on a 14" hoop,
or the best golfer on 3" holes. Everyone remembers those guys, right?

 

[backplaying]

people don't realize how much better dennis is when you tighten the table you see who really is the best player all around because it show the flaws in your game. dennis have no flaws does everything right. shanes break evens the score on a bucket table and dennis is also traveling to a foreign country to play. I have not seen shane win overseas yet. dennis wins everywhere he goes. Shane is a great player but dennis is the greatest player on the planet without question.

All pool players have flaws and no pool player does everything right. Why don't you just give credit where credit is do and admit Shane tortured Dennis. U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Palmerfan]

Haha.Thanks for the offer.I designated the post money to be held by Nick Varner as he is very well respected in the billiard Industry and very wll trusted.B-rton said no way because it was a conflict of interest.Fatboy offered but I really dont know him.
I designated Mark griffin as He is without any doubt the most important person there is anywherein the world concerning pool and is very well liked and trusted by everyone.
Also Mark griffin has played in many,many professional tournaments and is a professional player and has been around in the pool world for at least 40 years.That beng said here are the advantages to mark holding the post money.

Mark is trusted by everyone.
Mark can make all the rules so no one is cheated.
Mark can designate a neutral referee
Mark can supply a table and place to play the matches

Absolutley mark is the best choice of anyone in the world.

POST UP B-ARTON

Has Mark agreed to hold the post $ and supply a table? If so there are no more issues.

 

[JB Cases]

Has Mark agreed to hold the post $ and supply a table? If so there are no more issues.

I am sure if any wannabe pro wants to post a significant bet and play Dennis or Shane that Mark and TAR will be happy to hold the stake and provide a table.

 

[Palmerfan]

Not Dennis or Shane

I am sure if any wannabe pro wants to post a significant bet and play Dennis or Shane that Mark and TAR will be happy to hold the stake and provide a table.

I don't think he wants to play Dennis or Shane..he wants to play you and Bartrum as that was the offer, and he accepted and is waiting for you to post.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

I don't know what logistics are here, but I swear... Put Barton on the undercard of a TAR match, perhaps a race to 11 THIRD night - guard against the blowout lack of interest on night 3 JCIN.

I don't care if Mr Mega-Phone plays against Shane, Bobby, Chris, little Bo Peep or Godzilla - with whatever weight takes 63 months to woof out - many of us diehard AZB time-eating, sucked in, jack leg posters are going to post the word TAR 9000 times and be more enticed to buy to see something extra, different and personal (sorry JB, it's all personal with you .

Oh crap, didn't mean to be the one to hijack this thread , so to stay on thread -

I have earned so much respect for Dennis watching him over the last 8 years or so. I will genuinely make a point to take more time to learn more @ him - his upbringing, family, lifestyle/regimen, how he got to be so freaking good and carry himself so well.

 

[JB Cases]

I don't think he wants to play Dennis or Shane..he wants to play you and Bartrum as that was the offer, and he accepted and is waiting for you to post.

The offer was to play Bartrum. It was accepted and as soon as the money is posted per the terms and Bartrum has set a date to play the game will go off. All that other stuff is pure BS. Of course no wannabe wants to play Dennis or Shane. That is what this thread is about I thought.

Wannabes have a long line of players a couple balls under Dennis and Shane willing to play them though. The list of players willing to play me for money would wrap the Earth if they all stood shoulder to shoulder. Everyone wants to steal from the lousy case maker

Buy this case below and I will consider putting some of the revenue into a savings fund to play Shane or Dennis.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

The offer was to play Bartrum. It was accepted and as soon as the money is posted per the terms and Bartrum has set a date to play the game will go off. All that other stuff is pure BS. Of course no wannabe wants to play Dennis or Shane. That is what this thread is about I thought.

Wannabes have a long line of players a couple balls under Dennis and Shane willing to play them though. The list of players willing to play me for money would wrap the Earth if they all stood shoulder to shoulder. Everyone wants to steal from the lousy case maker

Buy this case below and I will consider putting some of the revenue into a savings fund to play Shane or Dennis.

I'm outta green for you on this one. To be square, sometimes you drive me nuts, but this was a gold nugget right there.

However, you are positioning yourself to step up on the world stage (well, kinda almost). If you're seen as the squirrel on this one, I doubt you'll ever recover (unless Dr Phil is a relation).

 

[JB Cases]

I'm outta green for you on this one. To be square, sometimes you drive me nuts, but this was a gold nugget right there.

However, you are positioning yourself to step up on the world stage (well, kinda almost). If you're seen as the squirrel on this one, I doubt you'll ever recover (unless Dr Phil is a relation).

You mean as far as playing Shane? I mean honestly I'd have to try it just to see where I stand. I just can't see myself not getting to 30 games before he gets to 100 and I am probably more in tune than most here about just how good the pros are having been around them so much in my career.

I mean if Dennis or Shane or any professional player said to me that they would spot me 7 games racing to 10 or as some posters here have speculated 9 games on 12 since they think I would only win 3 out ever 12 games, I would take that action and be a through ticket. I would have to or truly quit playing.

Some of you guys don't understand the pool room mentality I grew up with. We didn't play leagues we matched up. Every day after school, every moment after work, we closed the pool room every day matched up with whoever would play. I'd have been laughed out of the pool room if I had refused to take this weight back when I could barely draw my ball and I sure as hell won't refuse it now when I can run 3 balls every five games or so.

 

[JCIN]

people don't realize how much better dennis is when you tighten the table you see who really is the best player all around because it show the flaws in your game. dennis have no flaws does everything right. shanes break evens the score on a bucket table and dennis is also traveling to a foreign country to play. I have not seen shane win overseas yet. dennis wins everywhere he goes. Shane is a great player but dennis is the greatest player on the planet without question.

Shane has won his share in the Philippines. Dennis ran into a buzzsaw last weekend. Doesnt mean he is any less of a player. It means he got beat one weekend. Just like every other great player in history has.

I'm curious when standard Diamond pockets became "buckets".

I'm also curious when any major event is played on tables with tighter pockets.

 

[JB Cases]

I have earned so much respect for Dennis watching him over the last 8 years or so. I will genuinely make a point to take more time to learn more @ him - his upbringing, family, lifestyle/regimen, how he got to be so freaking good and carry himself so well.

Start here http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/...lo-best-money-game-player-world-espn-magazine

 

[JohnPT]

One more. http://www.billiardsdigest.com/new_current_issue/dec_06/DECWebOrcollo.pdf

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

Start here http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/...lo-best-money-game-player-world-espn-magazine

TY! This is a GREAT READ my friends. A must read. And a longer one than most. A few excerpts from:

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7879307/pool-dennis-orcollo-best-money-game-player-world-espn-magazine

"Orcollo's father was a fisherman in the southern village of Mangagoy, but a typhoon claimed his life when the boy was just 5 years old. At 9, Orcollo dropped out of school to run racks on his grandfather's pool table, routinely beating grown men for 20 pesos a game. At 15, Orcollo left home..."

soon thereafter

"There he heard the tales of Reyes' successes abroad. His success reinforced Orcollo's dreams, so he left Mount Diwalwal..... Bedding down in rusted auto frames abandoned on the side of the road, Orcollo would dream of Reyes... "

"Orcollo hopped a ferry, slept standing up for several days, crammed like a fish in the hold with a thousand other souls transiting between stages of desperation. He was 19 when he landed in Manila with 300 pesos -- about $7 -- in his pocket, and he walked straight to Sunrise Billiards."

The above chronicles the beginning of his pool career. It gets better...

 

[BeiberLvr]

I mean if Dennis or Shane or any professional player said to me that they would spot me 7 games racing to 10 or as some posters here have speculated 9 games on 12 since they think I would only win 3 out ever 12 games, I would take that action and be a through ticket. I would have to or truly quit playing.

What you have to think about are two things.

1. The pro isn't going to run 10 on you every set. It's unlikely that it would happen at all, but not impossible.

2. It is more likely (I assume without knowing how well you play under pressure) that you could possibly run out a couple sets.

With that in mind, how many games do you think you're giving up the times you don't get out?

Say you break the first game and scratch. Against Shane, you may have just given up at least 3-5 minimum. So you really have to play perfect from that point. Even if you do get back to the table, chances are, you won't like the shot your facing.

I wouldn't be so eager to bet against you, but I think it would be a lot tougher than you think.

 

[JB Cases]

What you have to think about are two things.

1. The pro isn't going to run 10 on you every set. It's unlikely that it would happen at all, but not impossible.

2. It is more likely (I assume without knowing how well you play under pressure) that you could possibly run out a couple sets.

With that in mind, how many games do you think you're giving up the times you don't get out?

Say you break the first game and scratch. Against Shane, you may have just given up at least 3-5 minimum. So you really have to play perfect from that point. Even if you do get back to the table, chances are, you won't like the shot your facing.

I wouldn't be so eager to bet against you, but I think it would be a lot tougher than you think.

1. It probably won't happen ever. But here is the thing. How many people would play a pro a race to three and feel good about their chances? It's obvious that just about every decent player who has ever run a couple racks feels that they have a chance in short sets and in fact they DO have more chances to win in short sets.

So, with that in mind EVERY time Shane breaks or I break it's a race to three or less for ME. I am never more than three games away from winning. And if I were to win early in the set then it's a race to 2 or a race to 1.

2. I can run three games once in a great while. But under pressure it would be that much harder.

Now, if it's not races to ten but instead a race to 100 where I have to get 30 does that change things a lot? Probably because the pro can "stretch out" somewhat and get into freewheel mode not having to fade a lost set every time I get three games. But like I said, because in my life I have run a lot of racks and matched up a lot I can't pass up that spot even if I am completely delusional.

I think that what it comes down to is how well can the amateur hold it together and not make unforced errors. The pro is going to take the games he is supposed to and the real question is how many games will I simply give away?

 

[BeiberLvr]

The pro is going to take the games he is supposed to and the real question is how many games will I simply give away?

You hit on a good point with your last question, but I think there's a better one.

How many games will the pro give away? If you are playing the Shane that played this weekend, then the answer is not many.

You are going to have to work hard to get every single one of your wins, because he's very rarely going to dog an out with 4 or less balls on the table. You'll also definitely need to put together some packages when you do win games.

I think you'd have a much better shot at getting 7 going to 10.

 

[JB Cases]

You hit on a good point with your last question, but I think there's a better one.

How many games will the pro give away? If you are playing the Shane that played this weekend, then the answer is not many.

You are going to have to work hard to get every single one of your wins, because he's very rarely going to dog an out with 4 or less balls on the table. You'll also definitely need to put together some packages when you do win games.

I think you'd have a much better shot at getting 7 going to 10.

No way getting a 3 game spot in races to 10 is better than getting 30 going to 100. Never.

You have to go into it thinking that the pro will not give away any games. But that's the whole point isn't it? Because the amateur is going to make more mistakes he will win less games, how much less is the question.

I think that people are reading way too much into this result between Dennis and Shane. Dennis simply made more unforced errors and Shane's break was on point. That's a deadly combination. I like the idea of the SVB index thinking how many games would you win in a race to 100 but I think that people are being scared because they saw Shane perform at the highest level. I prefer to have a little more confidence in my own game and I know a lot of players who are better than me who haven't spoken up who would easily get 30.

 

[CreeDo]

I think he's talking about a 7 game spot going to 10
vs. 70 game spot going to 100.

Which race is better depends on your skill level. If you have the nuts and that's too much weight even for shane, then you want the long race to ensure the rolls even out and your advantage has time to kick in.

If you are the underdog and shane will normally win 8 out of every 10 games, then you want the shorter race to add a little extra luck and hope a single roll gives you the third game you weren't supposed to win.

 

[JAM]

I guess I must insert my token Dennis photo in the thread. I call this the Old Guard and the New Guard.

I miss Jose. :frown: