Desert Shootout Payoffs
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Well for one thing there weren't too many women up in Alaska years ago.JAM said:I hope this thread gets as many responses and posts as the other ones pertaining to the Desert Shootout Non-Payoffs! If there was ever a thread worthy to be read, it is this one.
Mark Griffin will always be one of pool's shining stars, as far as I'm concerned.
I'd love to hear the story of how he emigrated from Alaska to Las Vegas someday!
JAM
. Thank you for taking care of the players out of your own pocket again. Whatever your plan for pool is I'm sure you will get plenty of backing from some of the big names in pool and a few from under the radar. Johnnyt
Mark, you are the man. Everything I have seen you do is of high quality and not enough good words can be said about you and your organization. I just got home from Vegas and appreciate the efforts you and your people put out to make all the tournaments a great success.Mark Griffin said:
I would like to thank you for what you have done for the players in the Arizona tourny.
Please thank Mark Estes (mini Mark) for his efforts with the pro events. All done with much class. thank you again
BCAPL is the best and biggest+best pool league on the planet. With a first class crew at the helm. All the way from the top to the bottom. Some really good people, and always a pleasure to be around.
Your going to be hard pressed to find another with the heart, and passion for the game, as Mark has.
Thanks for everything Mark!
Rick S.
Your going to be hard pressed to find another with the heart, and passion for the game, as Mark has.
Thanks for everything Mark!
Rick S.
Excellent news!
Duh!!
If that isn't a message to the pro players, I don't know what is. I understand the situation of the UPA, but let's be sophmoric- Mark is on the player's side, a cool dude, and a player himself. He is also the BCA- Why would pro players want to segregate themselves? Kudos for you Mark.
As far as Chuck Bobbit... 10% on money owed? Still gonna hurt when you got no $$$, but of course I don't know that for sure. I feel bad for all parties involved, but I do laugh about the UPA sanctioning an event, and it being so unorganized with the pay. Like putting your name on someone else's invention, and when they have a recall, just walk away and point a finger.
If that isn't a message to the pro players, I don't know what is. I understand the situation of the UPA, but let's be sophmoric- Mark is on the player's side, a cool dude, and a player himself. He is also the BCA- Why would pro players want to segregate themselves? Kudos for you Mark.
As far as Chuck Bobbit... 10% on money owed? Still gonna hurt when you got no $$$, but of course I don't know that for sure. I feel bad for all parties involved, but I do laugh about the UPA sanctioning an event, and it being so unorganized with the pay. Like putting your name on someone else's invention, and when they have a recall, just walk away and point a finger.
When Chuck Bobbitt couldn't pay the Desert Shoot Out winners, there were many different threads and hundreds of posts.
But when the situation is resolved, there are 26 posts on one thread. My question is why does good news not get the attention of the AZ posters?
I am not trying to toot my own horn BUT - it bothers me. I am going to be releasing some information (Press releases) soon about the "PLAN" I have to hopefully save pool. I got involved in the payout problem (and resolved it) to prove a point - and to show that I will protect the players. I will need everyone's help.
If you are a player, please send your contact info because I will need to know how to contact you.
Also thoughts on how to inform everyone of good news. Bad news always seems to travel faster and further.
Mark Griffin
BCA Pool League
markg@playbca.com
702-719-7665 office
812-987-1461 cell
But when the situation is resolved, there are 26 posts on one thread. My question is why does good news not get the attention of the AZ posters?
I am not trying to toot my own horn BUT - it bothers me. I am going to be releasing some information (Press releases) soon about the "PLAN" I have to hopefully save pool. I got involved in the payout problem (and resolved it) to prove a point - and to show that I will protect the players. I will need everyone's help.
If you are a player, please send your contact info because I will need to know how to contact you.
Also thoughts on how to inform everyone of good news. Bad news always seems to travel faster and further.
Mark Griffin
BCA Pool League
markg@playbca.com
702-719-7665 office
812-987-1461 cell
Mark,
I heard this while in Vegas and was not really surprised to hear about the second part (your plan). This is a definite good faith move and hopefully
will be a factor in bringing the players closer together in unity.
Another good thing is that it does bring some closure and put a bandaid on the AZ event.
It lingering would be nothing but negative for all parties involved making the end result less favorable for the players. I think this gives Chuck
a little light and space to make it right.
Good luck
Frank Howe
I heard this while in Vegas and was not really surprised to hear about the second part (your plan). This is a definite good faith move and hopefully
will be a factor in bringing the players closer together in unity.
Another good thing is that it does bring some closure and put a bandaid on the AZ event.
It lingering would be nothing but negative for all parties involved making the end result less favorable for the players. I think this gives Chuck
a little light and space to make it right.
Good luck
Frank Howe
Wonderful news
This is great news Mark but the players are still owed 30% and pool still has a black eye. So the issue is not resolved yet. Of course 70% is a whole lot better than nothing. My point is not to be negative here but factual. I know the players really appreciate what you've done and will support you in the future. I just hope this doesn't happen again.
Mark Griffin said:
This is great news Mark but the players are still owed 30% and pool still has a black eye. So the issue is not resolved yet. Of course 70% is a whole lot better than nothing. My point is not to be negative here but factual. I know the players really appreciate what you've done and will support you in the future. I just hope this doesn't happen again.
Mark, you know that everyone whines and complains, but pool players make an avocation of it.Mark Griffin said:
You and Greg are two of the mere handful of good guys at the top. Massive Emailing ought to get out the good news. PM sent with my Email address.Doc
bump for good news
thanks for supporting pool Mark!
do you want contact info from guys who are really just donaters (aka billy bye to the pros) when it comes to large pool tournaments? Are u only interested in pros or do you want contact info from amateurs/enthusiasts?
thanks for supporting pool Mark!
do you want contact info from guys who are really just donaters (aka billy bye to the pros) when it comes to large pool tournaments? Are u only interested in pros or do you want contact info from amateurs/enthusiasts?
I am glad to hear that the players got the $$$ and Mark once again shows he is a man of his word. Jay H is the man as well.
Thanks Mark for another memorable 10 days in Vegas. There is no better pool venue in the world. Hear is hoping that you continue to make things memorable in the pool world.
Thanks Mark for another memorable 10 days in Vegas. There is no better pool venue in the world. Hear is hoping that you continue to make things memorable in the pool world.
Mark Griffin said:
Mark it's the same reason good news isn't reported much on the news... People are just more attracted to drama. After the situation is resolved there isn't much to talk about except thanking you what you have done. It's just the nature of the beast. Rest assured that your new plan for pool will be attracting much conversation in the days to come. Everyone will have an opinion and an idea.
Thanks for a memorable event in Vegas!
players contact info
"do you want contact info from guys who are really just donaters (aka billy bye to the pros) when it comes to large pool tournaments? Are u only interested in pros or do you want contact info from amateurs/enthusiasts?"
Although I will need help from all levels. I am REALLY looking for contact info (Phone numbers, address, and e-mail) for the better pool players. Lets say the top 500 players or so. Please send to: markg@playbca.com
After venues are announced, I will need help in coordinating some of the activites that will happen at the events. I know this is all very vague. More info will be coming over the next several weeks.
Just keep you ears (and eyes) open. I think it can go a long ways.
Mark Griffin
(By the way - thanks for the kind words on our Riviera event. I have GREAT staff - and they do most of the work!!!)
"do you want contact info from guys who are really just donaters (aka billy bye to the pros) when it comes to large pool tournaments? Are u only interested in pros or do you want contact info from amateurs/enthusiasts?"
Although I will need help from all levels. I am REALLY looking for contact info (Phone numbers, address, and e-mail) for the better pool players. Lets say the top 500 players or so. Please send to: markg@playbca.com
After venues are announced, I will need help in coordinating some of the activites that will happen at the events. I know this is all very vague. More info will be coming over the next several weeks.
Just keep you ears (and eyes) open. I think it can go a long ways.
Mark Griffin
(By the way - thanks for the kind words on our Riviera event. I have GREAT staff - and they do most of the work!!!)
I wish you the best in your efforts. I sincerely hope the players realize that there needs to be unity to grow. There will always be detractors and nay-sayers but if you outline a good plan for growth I think you will have widespread support. Organization may not be good for every single person in the business but it should allow for better opportunities for the players in the future.Mark Griffin said:
I am curious to see what the plan involves and how it will be beneficial to the players. I am also curious to see how the independent event directors will react to your ideas.
Best of Luck,
D
BTW- I am no "player" but have quite a few friends that are and would like to see them be able to succeed instead of scraping by.
Not so much
Mark,
I think what you did with Chuck, Jay & the players is admirable. I don't think its as much that bad news travels faster as the good news was resolved and the bad news wasn't until the good news arrived.
I'm anxiously awaiting the Mark Griffin tour model!
Thanks Mark for all your doing!
Ray Hansen
Mark Griffin said:
Mark,
I think what you did with Chuck, Jay & the players is admirable. I don't think its as much that bad news travels faster as the good news was resolved and the bad news wasn't until the good news arrived.
I'm anxiously awaiting the Mark Griffin tour model!
Thanks Mark for all your doing!
Ray Hansen
That's What I'm Known For.... My THINKING
This is a no brainer........ simply staple the Good News memo to a $20 bill..... and VIOLA !
Doug
( case closed )
Mark Griffin said:
This is a no brainer........ simply staple the Good News memo to a $20 bill..... and VIOLA !
Doug
( case closed )
First of all, I am more pleased than almost anyone about Mark Griffin bailing out the players (and me) who got stiffed for over 30K. It was a great gesture on his part, and did not go unnoticed in the pool world, especially among the players. He should know that ALL the players know what he did to rectify a very bad situation. The pool grapevine is very strong.
For me, it was about more than money. My name was attached to this event as the TD. To say that I was upset is a gross understatement. Never in my 25+ years of doing pool tournaments had I run an event where the players did not get paid. And, as someone else said on here, there isn't final closure yet. Not until the final 30% is paid in full. I will not rest until this happens. I want all five players (and me) to be paid in full! 70% is only a start. I hope that I make this very clear to all parties concerned.
Now, going on to Mark's plan for professional pool. I have seen his game plan and it makes sense from several points of view. It will mean more events initially for the pros, with GUARANTEED prize funds. And it presents a clear avenue for growth and increased prize funds. As the fledgeling USA Pool Leagues grow, the pro tour will grow along with it. It is more of a partnership between the pro players and the new pool league. I hope that the players will see this opportunity for what it is. In the past they have sometimes been guilty of biting the hand that feeds them.
Mark is no doubt a good businessman. If he is successful (and I don't see why he won't be), he will be well compensated by the growth of his new league. At the same time, the pro players will have their tour and a willing partner in the industry. This is something they have not had previously, other than on a limited basis with some of the regional tours. What Mark is talking about could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars being added to pro events across the country.
I have known Mark for many years, and I'm proud to call him my friend. He has ALWAYS been a man of his word, and never afraid to pull out his checkbook when the time comes.
For me, it was about more than money. My name was attached to this event as the TD. To say that I was upset is a gross understatement. Never in my 25+ years of doing pool tournaments had I run an event where the players did not get paid. And, as someone else said on here, there isn't final closure yet. Not until the final 30% is paid in full. I will not rest until this happens. I want all five players (and me) to be paid in full! 70% is only a start. I hope that I make this very clear to all parties concerned.
Now, going on to Mark's plan for professional pool. I have seen his game plan and it makes sense from several points of view. It will mean more events initially for the pros, with GUARANTEED prize funds. And it presents a clear avenue for growth and increased prize funds. As the fledgeling USA Pool Leagues grow, the pro tour will grow along with it. It is more of a partnership between the pro players and the new pool league. I hope that the players will see this opportunity for what it is. In the past they have sometimes been guilty of biting the hand that feeds them.
Mark is no doubt a good businessman. If he is successful (and I don't see why he won't be), he will be well compensated by the growth of his new league. At the same time, the pro players will have their tour and a willing partner in the industry. This is something they have not had previously, other than on a limited basis with some of the regional tours. What Mark is talking about could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars being added to pro events across the country.
I have known Mark for many years, and I'm proud to call him my friend. He has ALWAYS been a man of his word, and never afraid to pull out his checkbook when the time comes.