Can't the "diamonds" on the rails on the Diamond tables be fabricated or situated so that they match the angles when the table is manufactured?
Diamond Systems don't work on Diamond Tables
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Then the diamonds would have to be movable....depending on climatic conditions....
...age of cloth....tightness of cloth...etc
Systems are 'rule of thumb'.......the system can't possibly handle different conditions...
....common sense and adaptability are a must to kick or bank at a high level.
Interesting. For one, it just occurred to me that I'm talking about 7' bar boxes, which is fast becoming the only table people play on here in the Pacific NW, so my brain doesn't even think about 9' tables anymore. Y'all might be talking 9', in which case I have no idea. I can tell you on 7', the kicking systems don't work for me...although from this comment it may actually be that I'm not hitting it incredibly accurately. I think with GCs and Valley tables, you can just aim toward the diamond, not right at a point on the diamond. I'll try that out.
yeah it sucks...
red labels for that reason suck. but as I've said, the easiest way to adjust for most banks on a red label is to use angle in/ angle out through center ball... That's what they were designed to do...
you still have to change just about every normal table experience you have and with kicks and banks requiring a reliance on experience more than any other shot, it's much easier said than done.
Jaden
red labels for that reason suck. but as I've said, the easiest way to adjust for most banks on a red label is to use angle in/ angle out through center ball... That's what they were designed to do...
you still have to change just about every normal table experience you have and with kicks and banks requiring a reliance on experience more than any other shot, it's much easier said than done.
Jaden
I've never understood why they are even on there. I always thought they were just for looks.
I have never known a top bank player that used them for anything. I've never used one in my entire life of playing pool.
Yeah,I can just see Buggs Rucker counting out all them little dots right before he spears in a 2 or 3 railer all the while holding the cube of chalk in his hand while he is shooting it
John B.
PS: Pool aint that hard folks.....
I have never known a top bank player that used them for anything. I've never used one in my entire life of playing pool.
Yeah,I can just see Buggs Rucker counting out all them little dots right before he spears in a 2 or 3 railer all the while holding the cube of chalk in his hand while he is shooting it
John B.PS: Pool aint that hard folks.....
Oh really?? My red label Diamond plays great!! :thumbup: John B.
I've never understood why they are even on there. I always thought they were just for looks.
I have never known a top bank player that used them for anything. I've never used one in my entire life of playing pool.
Yeah,I can just see Buggs Rucker counting out all them little dots right before he spears in a 2 or 3 railer all the while holding the cube of chalk in his hand while he is shooting it
PS: Pool aint that hard folks.....
Holy crap I've been doing it wrong! I figured I'd practice and use a few systems on my way to improving. What I really needed to do was to be a naturally talented phenom world champion. Man, that was easy!
Good advice. Very useful. "Just be good". Awesome. :groucho:
Yeah but what if by some slim chance.. those systems are holding you back and slowing DOWN your learning curve? Just a thought,sorry. John B.
you have a ton of experience on a red label too I'd bet...
I'd be willing to bet you have logged thousands of hours on a red label...maybe you should read what I wrote a little closer about the experience part being essential with banking...
Jaden :thumbup:
I'd be willing to bet you have logged thousands of hours on a red label...maybe you should read what I wrote a little closer about the experience part being essential with banking...
Jaden :thumbup:
I agree, but there are fewer people complaining about Gold Crowns.
You're right....they're disappearing fast...pretty soon, there may not be any around...LMAO
I've never understood why they are even on there. I always thought they were just for looks.
I have never known a top bank player that used them for anything. I've never used one in my entire life of playing pool.
Yeah,I can just see Buggs Rucker counting out all them little dots right before he spears in a 2 or 3 railer all the while holding the cube of chalk in his hand while he is shooting it
PS: Pool aint that hard folks.....
Why not? There are a whole boatload of champions that did and still do use them. The very first shot on your DVD, you setup right on the first diamond beside the side pockets. Efren was a 3C billiard player so you can bet he uses them too. There is no silver bullet but the diamonds are an excellent reference tool and in the case of Diamond tables, they are placed a lot more accurately that people give them credit for.
I do understand how your method averages things together and I do believe that it is a better approach. On the other hand, I do not believe that I could understand it and appreciate it if I did not also understand all the other ways to bank a ball.
They do and they are very accurate. If, on a new table with new cloth, you shoot the cue ball down known connecting reference angles and it does not come out correct then you need to work on your stroke. It's not the table.
I thought about it some more last night after I posted. I learned to kick on 9 foot Diamonds. Having that as a reference point I was always able to hit a few balls on any other kind of table and calibrate a base line for all my shots in just a minute or two. Meaning, if I consistently hit my 2 rail kick in the corner on a Diamond, I can put the cueball on a gold crown and the shot will still go. It will not go long. I don't think you can do that in the other direction. If you calibrate the shot on a Gold Crown I think it would be short on the Diamond.
So, I would suggest that if you or anyone has a 9 foot Diamond available, use that to practice the stroke and learn the kicks and you should be able to easily transfer that to any table you come across. The same stroke you used on the Diamond will still be accurate on a Gold Crown. At least that is how it happened to me.
I'd use a Gold Crown system then. :grin:
+1 to that.
I used to think the diamond system was some mythical banking system only the pros used. I learned the simple "diamond" system for cross corner and side banks but could never get it to work consistently.
It wasn't until I worked out the many issues with my stroke that the diamond system started to work for me and produce consistent results.
Yes, I even use it on Diamond tables.
The 3 things I have learned about a successful bank are;
1. Angle
2. English
3. Speed
While you are first learning simple banks, if you can take #2 (English) completely out of the equation, as in unwanted English, it makes it much easier to learn the diamond system.
I've never understood why they are even on there. I always thought they were just for looks.
I have never known a top bank player that used them for anything. I've never used one in my entire life of playing pool.
Yeah,I can just see Buggs Rucker counting out all them little dots right before he spears in a 2 or 3 railer all the while holding the cube of chalk in his hand while he is shooting it
PS: Pool aint that hard folks.....
Worst knew the diamond system......whipped every champion living at Johnston city......obviously since he was Hoppes protege and multi time 3cushion world champ starting at like 21 or 22 i think.....held it for years and years.....ate all the pool players when he decided to try out that game, then died of cancer few years later.....
i know a player that teaches and uses it though....someone I'm sure you respect quite a bit and would be shocked if you didn't.
David Matlock....one of the best all around players no matter if the table has pockets or even if the pockets are cornered or round.
tho i do understand what you are probably really trying to say......its not dumb or silly to learn systems to get a decent base down, but over time you should develop your natural abilities....your ROTE system.....you just kind of come off cocky or rude or something, cant really put my finger on it.....and trust me John we all know (well i do at least) that you know wtf your talking about.....its just the communication of it that throws people at times.
I dont think anyone in their right mind is going to just do something because any champion "says" thats what they should do.....just because it worked for you and some others, doesn't mean that style works for everyone....and there have been plenty ofchamps that learned starting with systems.....long long time ago, knowledge was smiled upon not spit on like OH who needs that.....i'm not saying that at the end of the day in their careers they used those systems day in day out....just that they had that in their tool bag at a minimum.
You can argue what I'm saying all you like, and I'll just say this.....
Jeff Bagwell was a wonderful batter and home run hitter for the Houston Astros for years......he stepped backwards when he swung.......bet my life and my families he never has nor ever will teach someone to use a motion like that.....so just keep in mind that whats good for you isn't necessarily good for Tommy 5 speed in the league.
I sincerely hope this post doesn't strike you as rude or offensive, as that is not my goal, just want to find some common ground we can all stand on.
Now the 500million aiming systems are another story completely lol
regards,
Keebie
One of my favorite movies is Macao, from 1952.
Gloria Graham is playing the girlfriend of Brad Dexter, casino owner.
She's admiring a diamond bracelet a loser offers in trade:
Halloran: You don't want that junk. Diamonds would only cheapen you.
Margie: Yeah. But what a way to be cheapened.
Gloria Graham is playing the girlfriend of Brad Dexter, casino owner.
She's admiring a diamond bracelet a loser offers in trade:
Halloran: You don't want that junk. Diamonds would only cheapen you.
Margie: Yeah. But what a way to be cheapened.