Bob is not really a good example of knowledge without ability: Bob Jewett defeats Shane van Boening.
It also has to begin rolling forward slightly before contacting the OB, correct? Can't just be sliding.
The randomized grab bag of terms people apply to everything pool makes crap so confusing.Yes, that's correct. I did a video of the shot for a friend once....it's here:
Knowledge and ability aren't necessarily unrelated - knowledge makes experience/practice more effective.I'll spot the world's leading physicist 9 games in a race to 11. Knowledge of physics and playing ability aren't necessarily related.
Agreed.Knowledge and ability aren't necessarily unrelated - knowledge makes experience/practice more effective.
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Right...Magic is simply something that can't be readily explained by the viewer. Much like this is just you not understanding what's happening to the CB when you hit this shot
your mom's house...?Right...
Where do you apply to be in the AZB nut huggers club?
Why the rudeness?Right...
Where do you apply to be in the AZB nut huggers club?
The randomized grab bag of terms people apply to everything pool makes crap so confusing.
If I say 'drag draw shot' to someone, wherein that do they know that the CB actually rolls forward after contact..? 'Drag' implies back spin, and 'draw' implies backward motion after OB contact.
Over in the instructor's subforum, someone referred to the above as a 'kill shot'. Which flies in the face of the adjective as well. Guess the idea is the 'kill' is only meant as a means to describe what happens to the applied velocity, and not what ends up happening after OB contact.
In my world, a 'kill' shot is a CB hit with just enough pace and back spin, wherein the CB slows down on it's way to the OB and during OB contact the CB has no forward roll, this manifests the same as a 'stop shot'. ...But then what is a 'stop shot'...?..., well the same thing but struck a such a pace that there's no apparent loss of velocity.
The above video example, is a 'kill / follow'. You 'killing' the pace with the applied back spin, but is there still remains enough distance for the CB to pick up forward roll.
The problem is we have the same shot performed in the same fashion, called many things based on whim of the shooter.
My intention isn't pick on the poster of the video. It's just the recent example of why this game gets so confusing for those trying to listen...lol
HAHA! We can't even all agree on the rules!Yeah, I should've just labeled it...."Drag Shot using Backspin".
"Draw" is a common word that often takes the place of "backspin". A drag shot can utilize a stun stroke or a draw stroke, so I simply clarified that one must use draw (backspin) to do the shot I was showing.
But I agree it makes more sense to use the word "draw" when talking about the cb action after it contacts the ob. It's just not strictly used for that purpose though. It's like slang....doesn't matter what the literal meaning is because everyone knows the intended meaning. In most places, you can tell a person to use a tip of draw and they will understand that you are saying to hit low or use backspin on the cb.
Not sure if it's possible to get all pool players using the same vocabulary for every shot, but it's a good goal I suppose.
It's fairly well known that on a power draw shot the cue ball goes through very slightly. It's probably in Coriolis' book (1835). I don't think that was being disputed.Here is cigar demo shot. Everybody can try it on their own if they think i somehow setup or shoot it wrong. It is straight in and draw back.
Science!Here is cigar demo shot. Everybody can try it on their own if they think i somehow setup or shoot it wrong. It is straight in and draw back.
Yeah I broke and ran 7 pack of 9, 12 of 8 on a bar box and 168 in straight pool by not understanding....your mom's house...?
If you don't understand what's actually going on when you think you're stunning through an OB there's nothing wrong with that. It's been explained already, and slow mo video examples have been posted. You personal don't have the ability to bend the laws of physics. Take a moment and digest it...
Just because you presumably hit the center of the CB when shooting, doesn't mean you hit a stun shot by the time it reached the OB.
The cueball goes forward because of a loss of friction with the table and forward momentum of the cueball.It's fairly well known that on a power draw shot the cue ball goes through very slightly. It's probably in Coriolis' book (1835). I don't think that was being disputed.
The cue ball goes through a few mm either because it is slightly off the table when it hits the OB or because it is slightly heavier than the object ball or because the balls are not perfectly elastic.
I think with a soft stop shot the cue ball will go through a lot less.
Those balls are Duramith Aramiths and they are exactly same weight though. and draw on that shot was not power draw. Just normal draw shot to bring cue ball back to middle pocket as you can hear on video. That tells i did shoot shot straight in.It's fairly well known that on a power draw shot the cue ball goes through very slightly. It's probably in Coriolis' book (1835). I don't think that was being disputed.
The cue ball goes through a few mm either because it is slightly off the table when it hits the OB or because it is slightly heavier than the object ball or because the balls are not perfectly elastic.
I think with a soft stop shot the cue ball will go through a lot less.
Ya but my dad can beat up your dad...Yeah I broke and ran 7 pack of 9, 12 of 8 on a bar box and 168 in straight pool by not understanding....
Bingo... No different then why the CB will drift slightly to either side with a stun shot if it doesn't squarely strike the OB. It's the vertical axis in this case.I also think this happens because cueball is slightly airborne(can´t be sure reason of why though).