Does an Online Seller Have to offer a Satisfaction Guarantee??

What's impossible? Did you quote the correct post? :)

Your talking about a warranty situation. Cue shows up verifiably warped, that's warranty defect. You handle it as such. Duh. ;)

And of course people can and do sell however they like, that was never in question.

Not only not impossible but full of possibilities.

100% impossible

Wood moves anytime shipping, handlers and air cargo is involved the cue can go through extreme temp changes and major abuse.
I understand this isnt part of the main subject but it still is part of selling cues online. There is a million things that can go wrong just in shipping.

Only honest people make themselfs honest, all the rules and regs are not going to insure you will never have a problem.

everyone has the right to sale anything they want, how ever they wish to sale it all long as it meets all the goverments laws, restrictions taxes and bribes, It is America:thumbup:
MMike
 
impossible

What's impossible? Did you quote the correct post? :)

Your talking about a warranty situation. Cue shows up verifiably warped, that's warranty defect. You handle it as such. Duh. ;)

And of course people can and do sell however they like, that was never in question.

Not only not impossible but full of possibilities.






I wasnt trying to step on anyones toes, and some of it was a joke.

Now that I have stuck my foot into this,

I offer a no questions asked return policy. Takes to long to explain why,
but it works and I dont have to argure with anyone.

MMike
 
This is why the standard in online retail has generally always been warranty return/exchange for defects and ad errors or returns minus shipping plus restocking fees for satisfaction/remorse.

Not sure what "generally always" means but the number one by sales online retailer in America today is Amazon.com. They offer full refunds of items in like condition as sent with no questions asked, always pick up the shipping to you, generally pick up the return shipping and never charge a restocking fee.

The #2 online retail by sales in America is Staples.com. Their satisfaction guarantee is "If you're not 100% satisfied with your Staples purchase, return it for any reason."

Maybe I'm just confused by the generally always term but the two largest online retailers in America today make zero distinction between defects and errors from customer satisfaction/remorse.

Thanks

Kevin
 
Does an Online Seller Have to offer a Satisfaction Guarantee??


Obviously not.



Actually, it isn't possible to guarantee satisfaction anyway. It helps gain and retain customers for sure though. Accepting a return certainly cannot guarantee satisfaction for the buyer. The buyer may in fact be left quite unsatisfied after the reversal of a deal, but it's really the best one can do, isn't it?

Whether or not people offer a "liberal" return policy or an "as is, no return" policy matters much less than being up front about it.

The most important thing is communication.

If a buyer does not like a seller's policy on the matter, DO NOT BUY FROM THEM. If a seller does not like a buyer's expectation, DO NOT SELL TO THEM.

It's simple. Just be up front.

I'll tell you now that unless I ask a seller, I expect that there is no return. If I am the seller, I expect that there may be a return. My personal policy is that way on anything up to a $200 selling price (not including shipping). For any deal beyond that I will make sure that is is discussed up front so both me and the other party don't have any surprises. In other words I'll eat a deal under $200 in order to avoid controversy and preserve my reputation...as long as there isn't outright theft or fraud of course, in which case I would spend far more than the cost of the deal in the pursuit of the perpetrator if necessary. If that didn't work then I would pursue whatever other means I could. I certainly wouldn't be announcing it up front on AZB like some do. After the matter is settled I would post it, but I would certainly move quietly in the mean time. But that's just me. Do me wrong, and I won't "telegraph the punch".

In general, no matter what, for anybody, I feel the most important thing is good communication.



People like MortuaryMike set a great example. The man is more than a straight-up dealer. He and those that deal like him are exemplary.



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Not sure what "generally always" means but the number one by sales online retailer in America today is Amazon.com. They offer full refunds of items in like condition as sent with no questions asked, always pick up the shipping to you, generally pick up the return shipping and never charge a restocking fee.

The #2 online retail by sales in America is Staples.com. Their satisfaction guarantee is "If you're not 100% satisfied with your Staples purchase, return it for any reason."

Maybe I'm just confused by the generally always term but the two largest online retailers in America today make zero distinction between defects and errors from customer satisfaction/remorse.

Thanks

Kevin

Your talking about 2 high volume based retailers. One an exceptional case of. Hardly the standard business model, of course there are exceptions to everything.

But if semantics helps make you feel better about your case than more power to you. :)

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Ill give you one more. Guitar Center gives you 30 full days no questions asked. :)
 
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I wasnt trying to step on anyones toes, and some of it was a joke.

Now that I have stuck my foot into this,

I offer a no questions asked return policy. Takes to long to explain why,
but it works and I dont have to argure with anyone.

MMike

No toes stepped, I have no skin in this game. :)

I guess the joke part went over my head. :eek:
 
Obviously not.



Actually, it isn't possible to guarantee satisfaction anyway. It helps gain and retain customers for sure though. Accepting a return certainly cannot guarantee satisfaction for the buyer. The buyer may in fact be left quite unsatisfied after the reversal of a deal, but it's really the best one can do, isn't it?

Whether or not people offer a "liberal" return policy or an "as is, no return" policy matters much less than being up front about it.

The most important thing is communication.

If a buyer does not like a seller's policy on the matter, DO NOT BUY FROM THEM. If a seller does not like a buyer's expectation, DO NOT SELL TO THEM.

It's simple. Just be up front.

I'll tell you now that unless I ask a seller, I expect that there is no return. If I am the seller, I expect that there may be a return. My personal policy is that way on anything up to a $200 selling price (not including shipping). For any deal beyond that I will make sure that is is discussed up front so both me and the other party don't have any surprises. In other words I'll eat a deal under $200 in order to avoid controversy and preserve my reputation...as long as there isn't outright theft or fraud of course, in which case I would spend far more than the cost of the deal in the pursuit of the perpetrator if necessary. If that didn't work then I would pursue whatever other means I could. I certainly wouldn't be announcing it up front on AZB like some do. After the matter is settled I would post it, but I would certainly move quietly in the mean time. But that's just me. Do me wrong, and I won't "telegraph the punch".

In general, no matter what, for anybody, I feel the most important thing is good communication.



People like MortuaryMike set a great example. The man is more than a straight-up dealer. He and those that deal like him are exemplary.



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I think most of the arguments we have seen here between buyer and sellers, with the exception of outright scams, could have been prevented with the communication you suggest.

Someone earlier in the thread suggested an exit strategy and for sure that's key. Hopefully we all go into every deal with the best intentions and expectations, but its good to have some communication about just what happens if things go bad or expectations aren't met. And, for example, a discussion regarding who is paying for or whether an item will be insured AFTER the item is lost is not really the best time to broach that subject.

Kevin
 
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Buying pool cues on line is not only risky but hard to tell if you like it until you have it in your hands and hit balls with it. (unless you are buying to collect).

I'd say only buy from those you know and trust.

I'd have no problem transacting with the OP and many of the other posters in this thread.

I'm just not a big fan of purchasing anything on line.

To answer the original question, yes having a satisfaction guarantee is very comforting. Especially from someone like the OP who we all know is fair and equitable in his dealings and treats on line selling as a way to make a living where maintaining a great reputation is very important.

Guarantees from others don't mean much. Especially the guy trying to unload a cue to pay his rent.

Other problem is the condition of a cue is subjective to ones opinion.
 
"Hit is irrelevant" is an interesting stance to take when what we are discussing is the evaluation of pool cues, and if you truly hold that opinion, you and I will never agree regarding the use, value and nature of pool cues.

Thanks for expressing it.

Kevin

Let me be a little more clear lol Hit of course is relevant on whether you like the cue. But thats the chance you take buying a cue you've never hit with before. Maybe one of the big sellars who that's all they do for a living wants to guarantee the hit. Me as just a private sellar is not going to guarantee that then spending my days shipping a cue back and fourth to people risking it getting damaged or lost. I'll guarantee that a cue is as described. If you get it and the cue is as described but you just decide the hit of that cue isn't for you thats the risk you take purchasing something as personal as a cue site unseen and It's on you to find a new buyer.
 
Jim Baxter Custom Cues story

No. ALTHOUGH i have had one person go way over the top for Customer service!!....

First off I want to say i do not know Jim Baxter, never met, and we live states away... I had one sale prior for a friend here on AZbilliards....He treated my friend good enough so i decided to buy a Custom Cue from him online...

I ask Jim and He said i could tell you all my story....

I Bought a fully cored Amboyna burl cue from Jim around last summer for my birthday...We'll about 6 months later it unfortunately cracked about 4" from the joint....."Burls AHHGG"! So I PMed Jim asking him if there is anything that can be done to fix the cue? He asked me to ship the cue back to him and he would take a look. When he received the cue he informed me that it was beyond repair and the forearm would have to be replaced......He PMed me back saying that the colors of another forearm's wood wouldn't look "Right" with the handle and butt-sleeve already on it. I agreed, nothing but Amboyna would....So he built me a whole new cue!! He allowed me to choose between a couple different woods, and constructed a brand new cue....He paid the return shipping charge and sent the cue back to me 100% Free.....

I am satisfied...You can Guarantee it :grin:

Shawn

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Top...broken Amboyna
Bottom...New Cue
 

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Jim is a great guy. This just proves it.
Out of all the known makers, how many do you think would accept a cue back after 6 months use either. I think some might, others no.
Jimmy went above and beyond on this one.

How about yourself. At 6 months, how long do you think it should have been warranted?

You seem like a reasonable person from your post so I will believe what ever answer you give.
 
America

No toes stepped, I have no skin in this game. :)

I guess the joke part went over my head. :eek:


It seems this thread is about online retailers and other people that sale online.

My first thought was there are so many different kinds of buyers and sellers.
Not everyone buys a pool cue to play pool with it.
Without knowing if the product is new used or 600 years old, production or custom made.
Also is the buyer or seller lives in the same country, in my opinion no one set of rules or return policy will work on every online sale.


The joke part is, if the seller is not willing to do returns ,
why buy from them if you want a return policy.

The rest of the joke is after everyone goes through all the red tape and goverment regs and rules, everyone will be same, as being forced to be a upright business person. With all these rules no one will know who is honest and who is not. Personaly I like the freedom to hang my own neck,
Not that I am any different from anyone else, but the thought of having the freedom or choice to be honest means allot to me.

MMike
 
I always do take returns because I think it's only fair and I really do hate to see someone stuck with a cue bought sight unseen that they don't want.

Out of maybe a hundred sold cues, Ive only had 3 returned that I can recall. And I always send a buyer an e-mail just folowing up to make sure they are happy with the purchase.

My worst one was taking back and refunding an $8,000 Sazmboti. That one made me dizzy but the buyer was a really good guy and I sent it to him for inspection purposes with the clear understanding that he could reject the cue. It just didn't do much for him. We had about $300 in Fed Ex bills!

I want to give an honorable mention to Ken Kerner. There was a guy who returned a mid range collectible cue because it didn't pan out to be what it was thought to be. This was about a year or two after it was sold. From what the buyer told me, Ken offered a full refund without so much as blinking an eye or questioning the ID.

Guys like Ken Kerner and Kevin Brewer have earned my utmost respect and admiration because they do busness at a high, classy level, and are professionals.

In a business, integrity goes a long, long way.
 
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I got stuck once. seller said dead straight. NOT.
I ate it. lesson learned.


You are a nice guy. I might have made a full length feature film crediting the seller for selling warped cues and it would have 35,000 views on You Tube before they offered me a full refund just to pull the video down! You may as well get some fun for the money.
 
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I will tell you a small story and hope it isn't one of my short story longs.

Maybe has a bit to do with this, maybe not so much.

Some time ago, I wanted to buy a Scruggs from a guy on AZ. $1800 so I wasn't about to be spending that much without using an Escrow.

He agreed and sent the cue. I can't remember the Escrow persons name, maybe the same guy still does it on here.

From what the seller was telling me and the pics, not so great, I trusted him on what he was saying anyway.

I went to the bank and got $1800 usd. Escrow got the cue and we had many PMs back and forth. He basically told me to run away and make it quick.

Good enuff for me. The seller got the bad news. He wasn't happy at all. He said that he had taken it in to a well known maker and it is perfect.

I received several emails after the fact. It was like, sorry Bud but the deal is, there is no deal. I could tell by the end that if I had just sent the money and found out the hard way, it would have been a large hassle to get a refund and chances are, there would have been no refund.

He was a little p issed and pretty much adamant that the Escrow person was full of you know what.

So, here I is going back to the bank and exchanging a cashiers cheque in USD. My fault for trusting and jumping the gun. I lost quite a bit on the exchange back to the bank but it was a lesson learned.

So yeah, for me if it is a couple hundred, I'm probably not going to worry overly but for that much, I need to be sure everything is in place.

If there is anything that makes me feel uneasy, no deal. I learned. I would have ended up with a twisted Scruggs.
 
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I always do take returns because I think it's only fair and I really do hate to see someone stuck with a cue bought sight unseen that they don't want.

Out of maybe a hundred sold cues, Ive only had 3 returned that I can recall. And I always send a buyer an e-mail just folowing up to make sure they are happy with the purchase.

My worst one was taking back and refunding an $8,000 Sazmboti. That one made me dizzy but the buyer was a really good guy and I sent it to him for inspection purposes with the clear understanding that he could reject the cue. It just didn't do much for him. We had about $300 in Fed Ex bills!

I want to give an honorable mention to Ken Kerner. There was a guy who returned a mid range collectible cue because it didn't pan out to be what it was thought to be. This was about a year or two after it was sold. From what the buyer told me, Ken offered a full refund without so much as blinking an eye or questioning the ID.

Guys like Ken Kerner and Kevin Brewer have earned my utmost respect and admiration because they do busness at a high, classy level, and are professionals.

In a business, integrity goes a long, long way.

Chris

Thanks, that feels good to read. For me, of course, it was a business decision to conduct the way I do. I think its good for me in the long run.

Kerner has done some HUGE cues hasn't he? Never blows his own horn and everything you hear about him is class. Great way to go and that is how you get to the top.

Thanks again man

Kevin
 
You are a nice guy. I might have made a full length feature film crediting the seller for selling warped cues and it would have 35,000 on You Tube before they offered me a full refund just to pull the video down! You may as well get some fun for the money.

LOL! Dave's not around anymore, is he?
 
I might have made a full length feature film crediting the seller for selling warped cues and it would have 35,000 views on You Tube before they offered me a full refund just to pull the video down


The footage on that video was chilling
 
LOL! Dave's not around anymore, is he?

God I loved that video. Dave started from "its not warped" moved to "it wasn't warped when I sent it file an insurance claim" to "here's your refund".

Those were the days. Post that video today and 30% the posters would be agreeing that it probably got warped my UPS (Dave's shipper of choice if you recall).

10% would say that Tate had faked the video.

10% would say its straight.

10% would say Tate deserves it because they are still grudging some 2 year old "slight".

10% would say Tate owns the cue because a deal is a deal.

That leaves 30% who would be shaking our heads wondering how a guy can try to do business that way?

Thanks

Kevin
 
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