Dominent Eye Quiz for All You AZ'ers

[genomachino]

Not new but proffesionally redone maybe............

Maybe a new DVD ?

Hi there Madfox,

This middle that I talk about is something that anyone that ever touches a cue should know about. It's part of perfect Aim but I never really go into it and explain it because it can get pretty confusing and hard to understand.

Once a person understands this they can find out which eye is their dominent eye even though they have never been able to figure it out. This is one of the tests that I do with this middle to find the dominent eye.

This is one reason we are contemplating a redo of the video. It would be the same, just more explainations between steps.

On the other hand this is one of the reasons that the secrets that make Perfect Aim are kept secret. The players that have learned like what they learned and aren't telling noone and the players that havn't are still wondering only thinking they know but they know almost nothing.

This is another reason any player that has gotten the video that has any questions needs to call me because it can be kind of confusing. I'm happy to answer the questions and help with anything I can with pool.

have a great day...........geno.....:smile:

 

[ronshirley]

travel itenerary

are you going to be in the LA area anytime soon? I might be interested in a private lesson

 

[genomachino]

You got that right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm left handed, shoot cue and gun right handed, and am left eye dominant.

The middle is a good place to meet but a bad place to get caught. :grin:

Hi there Underclock,

Like I said you got that right. The middle is a good place to be but not the middle of the middle. By your statement there I would almost think you know exactly what I'm talking about only you kind of said it in a riddle.

When I answer this later you will understand what I meant.

I'm left eye dominent and right handed. I deal cards left handed and do alot of delicate things right handed but pool and guns and throwing right handed.

It doesn't matter if you are right or left handed or which eye is dominent but you need to know which one is dominent and this middle is a main key to figure out Perfect Aim for each individual. We are all so different but once you understand these things you can see that it is all the same.

Our eye alignment is unique with the amount of dominence and understanding where this spot is for each individual is the key.

:smile:

Have a great day geno...................

 

[pdcue]

Hi there Big C.

Your cue is in the middle but what is the middle and what does it consist of. From where to where.

Every middle has an edge on each side.

Here's an old joke I heard once. What state is hi in the middle and round on both ends?

OHIO:grin:

Have a great day Geno................

Cute.

After some power Googling - it is readily apparent the term 'middle'
in relation to dominant eye is something you have made up out of thin air.

And you continue to be surprised that no one has read your mind yet.

Are you 12?

FWIW - as with "handedness" some people are more eye dominant than
are others.

IMHO - I happen to be very strongly domminant in one eye - my experience has been that lining the cue directly under my dominant eye
gives much better results in potting.
Someone who is not so strongly dominant might shoot better with the shaft between their eyes - or not.

Dale

 

[whitewolf]

I will take a stab at it. Are you talking about if you have your cue lined up if you have your head and eyes lined up in the middle you see two shafts. Until you shift slightly towards one side or the other until you only see one?

I totally agree. To add something: the two shafts converge and in order to have a 'perfect middle' if you will, the cue ball lies exactly between the two shafts.

I have been playing around with this for around a year now (just discovered this middle)....and I can't decided which method I like better as I have always sighted with my dominate eye. Very odd indeed.

 

[genomachino]

In Feb or March I hope............

are you going to be in the LA area anytime soon? I might be interested in a private lesson

Hi there,

I want to go to Cal because there is snow here in Wis in Feb and March plus there is no smoking in California.

I know this would be a great place to do some lessons because it just grows from a little fire to huge in no time at all.

Anyone that gets the video can just take that off the price of the personal lesson when I'm in the area.

Have a great day Thanks Geno...............

 

[dr_dave]

The question here is, WHAT IS THE MIDDLE?

AND IF ANYONE DOES UNDERSTAND THIS WOULD YOU GIVE YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE MIDDLE. THANKS

Gene,

I'm not sure what you mean by "middle," but I think you are referring to what I call "vision center." Here's my definition:

vision center: the head alignment that allows you to see a center-ball straight-in shot as straight, with the tip appearing to be at the center of the CB. For some people, this might be with the cue under their dominant eye (if they have one). For others, it might be with the cue under their nose, or somewhere else between their eyes (or even outside of the eyes?).​

FYI, for people interested, much more info and many additional resources concerning dominant eye and sighting can be found here:

sighting
dominant eye​

Regards,
Dave

 

[8pack]

:smile:
Hi there everyone,

I've dicided to share a little Dominent Eye knowledge with all you AZ'ers. This is something that I have learned during my lessons. It is a very esential part in learning how to aim.

When talking about the dominent eye does anyone understand what the middle is. Being able to find this middle and being able to understand it is one of the most valuable tools a player can have to increasing his or her aiming accuracy at an level of ability.

The question here is, WHAT IS THE MIDDLE?

AND IF ANYONE DOES UNDERSTAND THIS WOULD YOU GIVE YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE MIDDLE. THANKS

I will share this INFO after this has went for awhile. Should be interesting..................

Who knows? Maybe nobody understands it ?

Have a great day..........Geno...........

The middle is just a little left from right and a little right from left.It is between right and left,it is also in between left and right .It is in the middle of both of them.It is called the middle because its neither left or right.Is it a straight line..........that is inbetween left and right?
By the way what color is it????????

 

[JoeW]

Eye dominance is not a good or bad thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocular_dominance

It is unwise to change a person's ocular dominance, although certain occasions may necessitate this rather drastic action. The dominant eye for distance vision (six metres upwards) may not be the same eye for intermediate or near vision (2/3 metre). If no definite dominance exists, then blurring or occluding one eye is of help.
See http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0148.htm

Does eye dominance matter – yes, no, a definite maybe !
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=1894a00f18b2c50c89a6623dcb8df0af

“Binocular vision facilitates the estimation of distance, speed and angle and helps one to gain the full benefits of natural hand to eye co-ordination. If you doubt it try catching a ball with one eye shut. But, do not believe those who say simplistically that everyone should shoot with two eyes.” Lots of good stuff here.

http://www.shootinggazette.co.uk/sh..._eye_dominance_and_improve_your_shooting.html

And for those who want to get serious about this topic …

“Thus, it appears that there has been little advancement
in our understanding of eye dominance since
Miles (1930) concluded that “the significance of optical
dominance is not yet fully evident, although it appears
generally demonstrable as a habit”
http://app.psychonomic-journals.org/content/65/2/310.full.pdf

 

[JoeW]

The "best" or most accurate way to throw a baseball is by using both eyes. -- Try it for yourself.

The most accurate way to throw a cue ball is with both eyes. Now that needs to be tested doesn't it?

BTW we do "throw" a cue ball in three dimensions because you stand above the line of travel on that two dimensional surface.

Over long distances, such as length of table shots, one eyed shooting may be beneficial or it may just be a habit that feels right because the player has learned that it works. Can't really know until you try it both ways.

 

[SKILLZELITE]

I got 20/20 vision , and shoot from about a 1inch between my chin and cue , Its goes for the most part where I choose,I dont believe either of my eyes to be dominant over the next......

 

[timseal]

This thread reeks of snake oil.

I am selling eye patches at only $29.99. If you order in the next thirty minutes I will bundle a FREE box of Blue Diamond chalk - that's a $50 value!

-tim

 

[9ball]

Wow!

This thread reeks of snake oil.

I am selling eye patches at only $29.99. If you order in the next thirty minutes I will bundle a FREE box of Blue Diamond chalk - that's a $50 value!

-tim

Lately, I seem to see a lot of new posters shooting their mouths off with no clue as to what their saying! Timseal, you need to stay in the backround and not be seen or heard! Geno has forgotten more than you will ever learn! AZ does not need another troll looking to chime in with his or hers worthless chatter.


Post only when you have something positive to contribute!


H.P.

 

[9ball]

Geno

Hey! Geno,

Please clear your PM box. It says its full. Thanks H.P.

 

[timseal]

Lately, I seem to see a lot of new posters shooting their mouths off with no clue as to what their saying! Timseal, you need to stay in the backround and not be seen or heard! Geno has forgotten more than you will ever learn! AZ does not need another troll looking to chime in with his or hers worthless chatter.


Post only when you have something positive to contribute!


H.P.

Oh, you like flamewars then.
Sorry, no bite from me.

 

[KRJ]

Everybody had a dominant eye

I got 20/20 vision , and shoot from about a 1inch between my chin and cue , Its goes for the most part where I choose,I dont believe either of my eyes to be dominant over the next......

Unless of course you lost sight in one eye ! Anyone ever shoot a gun? A gun is one of the few things you do with one eye closed. As a former cop, I got quite a few guys through the police academy that could not hit the broad side of a barn. These guys were cross dominate. Which means even though they were right handed, they were left eye dominant. Unusual, but certainly not rare. Shooting right handed but closing left eye. Once they closed the right eye and kept the left eye open, they could actually hit the target. People are also leg and hand dominant as well.

The dominant eye is the one that is primarily relied on for precise positional information while the other eye gives you depth perception. Working together produces a clear picutre. Shoot one-eyed in pool and watch your results. It might not be too bad if you use your dominat eye, you will still miss more than with two eyes open, but if you use the other , eye you will be all over the board. Since you don't close one eye in pool, I personally think you just need to find a spot you like and that works.

 

[8pack]

(

The "best" or most accurate way to throw a baseball is by using both eyes. -- Try it for yourself.)

I dont ever think i seen a pitcher close one eye and pitch and being a pitchure myself at one time i pretty sure i didnt close one eye either,,,
maybe once or twice after i hit the batter,,,,

 

[genomachino]

Just for fun try this........................

I got 20/20 vision , and shoot from about a 1inch between my chin and cue , Its goes for the most part where I choose,I dont believe either of my eyes to be dominant over the next......

Hi there,

The next time you aim a shot that is straight try this. Aim the way you normally would. Now open and close one eye at a time. Niether eye will be directly over the cue. But one will be closer to being there than the other one.

Just a little test you can do. Might tell you someything .

Have a great day geno................:smile:

 

[genomachino]

Thank you..............

Unless of course you lost sight in one eye ! Anyone ever shoot a gun? A gun is one of the few things you do with one eye closed. As a former cop, I got quite a few guys through the police academy that could not hit the broad side of a barn. These guys were cross dominate. Which means even though they were right handed, they were left eye dominant. Unusual, but certainly not rare. Shooting right handed but closing left eye. Once they closed the right eye and kept the left eye open, they could actually hit the target. People are also leg and hand dominant as well.

The dominant eye is the one that is primarily relied on for precise positional information while the other eye gives you depth perception. Working together produces a clear picutre. Shoot one-eyed in pool and watch your results. It might not be too bad if you use your dominat eye, you will still miss more than with two eyes open, but if you use the other , eye you will be all over the board. Since you don't close one eye in pool, I personally think you just need to find a spot you like and that works.

You said it all. Find the spot that works for you.

Learning how to keep the eyes in the right position on all shots is the tricky part.

The dominent eye runs the whole show if you know where to put it.

Great reply.............Geno...........

 

[JoeW]

Here is a link to a method that you can use to find where your eyes should be relative to the cue stick. The method allows the pool player to determine the best position for the eyes relative to the cue stick. Several people here and other places have found the method useful. It would be interesting to hear what others find.

http://www.sunburstselect.com/PBReview/HowToUseYourEyes.htm

When I did it, I had to change my eye placement slightly to get the best results. My accuracy did in fact improve when I discovered the best placement for my eyes relative to the shaft. Before using this method I was primarily a one eyed shooter, similar to Neils Feijn. After studying my ability to be accurate using the method discussed, I found that I play best when the the cue stick is along the right edge of my nose. I am right eye dominent.

Your milage will vary !

Most of us are right handed or left handed and if you are like me you know that the right hand has much better abilities than the left hand when it comes to many things in life. I think this "preference" for one hand over the other and for one eye over the other is an important personal characteristic that we train over a life time. This preference and training helps (or hurts) many of the things that we do. It only makes sense, to me, that I emphasize the "better" hand or eye to accomplish the tasks I am working on.

As indicated above, for the most part we play pool in three dimensions. If you insist that we play in two dimensions we usually play along several different lines (angles) of travel in those two dimensions. It makes sense that such a physiological problem is best solved with our "usual" tools -- both eyes with slight emphasis on the right eye (in my case).

On length of table shots accuracy of hit is the predominent problem and we simply make a rough adjustment (if any) for positional effects. This situation is similar to shooting a weapon and perhaps one eyed shooting is more effective, as it is for the pistol shooter.

I think that you need to be able to play either way and to use the best tools for the job, usually both eyes sometimes one eye.

Notice too that research has shown (see links above) that eye dominance may shift (or be modified) over different distances for some people. This little known fact may have an effect on the way that some people play. The only way to know is to study your own ability to be accurate over different distances with diffeent eye placements.

This game can get complicated !

In the context of the original post, "Where is the middle?" I think the answer is -- It depends on several thngs.