Earl tossed out of SBE...
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Pearl-Hines
Good news first? Earl and Jack Hines are/were fantastic players! Unbelievable talent! Bad news is Earl is a big crybaby much like John Macenroe. Believe me I'm being nice and not using bad words to describe Earl. In Earls defense he is ten times the man of Jack Hines simply because he's not a thief. Most astounding to me is how people revere these guys!! Stop making excuses for these guys. And for anyone who says don't be a player hater, you may go jump into a large body of water!!!
Good news first? Earl and Jack Hines are/were fantastic players! Unbelievable talent! Bad news is Earl is a big crybaby much like John Macenroe. Believe me I'm being nice and not using bad words to describe Earl. In Earls defense he is ten times the man of Jack Hines simply because he's not a thief. Most astounding to me is how people revere these guys!! Stop making excuses for these guys. And for anyone who says don't be a player hater, you may go jump into a large body of water!!!
I didn't read all of this but it wasn't the TD that decided that they were not going to play on the stream table. Alex Pagulayan said he didn't want to because Earl played on that table already.
Also I think Earl got what he deserved. When I was watching the stream all I could hear was Earl in the backround whining and *****ing the whole time against Alex. It's nice to see a TD take no shit from Earl this time.
Also I think Earl got what he deserved. When I was watching the stream all I could hear was Earl in the backround whining and *****ing the whole time against Alex. It's nice to see a TD take no shit from Earl this time.
I would like to see the rules for misconduct uniformly enforced. Earl may have been appropriately ejected from the tournament for his misbehaviors. However, let's not forget that just a month ago, Alex was allowed to play Dax in a 14.1 tournament while punch drunk and making a scene.
The bottom line is that the players will get away with as much as what the TD allows them to. If referees would perform their jobs by disciplining players for misconduct, that would go a long way to cleaning up the tawdry sooty image that our sport has.
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Earl's defense
It is likely and possible that Earl thought he was being treated unfairly and wanted an explanation for the change. Upon hearing the explanation, Earl determined it was a poor excuse for the change and concluded the TD is working against him. Earl is a straightforward guy you tell him like it is and he makes sense of it.
It is like being told there is no prize money and you shouldn't get upset because the tournament wasn't profitable. Would that make you angry? Would you want to shake things up? The point is some people shake things up and others just look the other way. Will Earl get his side of the story out? Hopefully it is obvious some people think putting up and shutting up is better than shaking things up. It is similar to the USPPA fiasco in which prizes weren't paid and some people prefer to just sit back and do nothing because everything relies on the money man.
It is likely and possible that Earl thought he was being treated unfairly and wanted an explanation for the change. Upon hearing the explanation, Earl determined it was a poor excuse for the change and concluded the TD is working against him. Earl is a straightforward guy you tell him like it is and he makes sense of it.
It is like being told there is no prize money and you shouldn't get upset because the tournament wasn't profitable. Would that make you angry? Would you want to shake things up? The point is some people shake things up and others just look the other way. Will Earl get his side of the story out? Hopefully it is obvious some people think putting up and shutting up is better than shaking things up. It is similar to the USPPA fiasco in which prizes weren't paid and some people prefer to just sit back and do nothing because everything relies on the money man.
You do make a good point! :embarrassed2:
I'm heading down there this aftrernoon and we usually meet up with Allen at some point for a beer. I'll ask whats up.
As for the posts that Allen should have done something about Earl/TD.....the Pro side of this event should be the LAST place there is an issue. The "Pros" Earl especially, should police themselves. There are hundreds of other people playing in this event and you hear nothing about issues from the floor, but its the Earl show that is the headache......and some folks think he should get preferential treatment?....silly!
I am a BIG fan of Earls game, not his childish outbursts. He is probably the oldest Pro there, he should be the best behaved, and show the younger guys how its done.....not acting like a fool.
As for the TD, what kind of official would he be letting Earl get away with that crap? what would the other players think of that? would the tourny or the TD be taken seriously after that? How anyone can justify Earls antics, and defend him doing this BS is beyond me......and I will repeat, Earl was my favorite player for 20 years.
G.
As for the posts that Allen should have done something about Earl/TD.....the Pro side of this event should be the LAST place there is an issue. The "Pros" Earl especially, should police themselves. There are hundreds of other people playing in this event and you hear nothing about issues from the floor, but its the Earl show that is the headache......and some folks think he should get preferential treatment?....silly!
I am a BIG fan of Earls game, not his childish outbursts. He is probably the oldest Pro there, he should be the best behaved, and show the younger guys how its done.....not acting like a fool.
As for the TD, what kind of official would he be letting Earl get away with that crap? what would the other players think of that? would the tourny or the TD be taken seriously after that? How anyone can justify Earls antics, and defend him doing this BS is beyond me......and I will repeat, Earl was my favorite player for 20 years.
G.
I do understand what you mean, but this ain't Earl's first rodeo when it comes to adhering to the rules.
The pay issue is something quite different, I think, but it is, as you say, very important and should not be shoved under the rug when the payouts are not forthcoming.
It is customary for pool players to be paid immediately upon completion of events, and when it doesn't happen as planned, it is disappointing for sure. There is a difference, though, in flat out not paying the competitors at all compared to a staggered payment system.
In my industry, some subs and vendors prefer to be paid via PayPal. Personally, I don't like PayPal, but it could be a vehicle used to pay folks in pool tournaments. As was evidenced, though, with the advent of the IPT, not all pool players are computer savvy.
I have come to conclude that the only way to fix this pool tournament conundrum is to limit the player field and require all entry fees to paid by a date certain. I am only referring to professional-type tournaments. If the fields are limited and the entry fees are paid up front, the tournament organizer knows how much money he will have in the pot and can plan accordingly.
The pro players should be held accountable to schedule their events and pay the tournament organizers timely, again, by a date certain and *not* upon arrival at the venue site. In return, the tournament organizer will be afforded the opportunity to plan accordingly with a known set amount of cash ahead of time.
In an ideal world, the tournament entry fees and added money will be available at the conclusion of the event, if handled this way. Gate and vendor fees should be considered profit or used to pay tournament expenses for the tournament organizer and *not* be depended on for the payouts, IMO. In other words, if there is $10,000 added, as an example, then have the $10,000 available before the tournament commences. Money "on the come" should not be depended on for tournament payouts.
Allen Hopkins and Mike Zuglan's events fill up well ahead of time. They have a limited field size, and the players *do* pay their entry fees in advance. Why? Because they don't want to miss out on competing. Paying entry fees in advance should be the norm and not the exception. This would eliminate a lot of problems as it pertains to tournament payouts on a timely basis.
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Your account of the events is very different from others posted here. So different that one might question if you were even there.
but that's the internet, i guess...
Also, if it was Tony Robles or Ralf Souquet or about 50 other guys, who people thought were being treated unfairly, maybe I would stand up and be outraged. But, Strickland and Pinegar?
RC
ETA I don't mean to suggest John's a bad guy, just playing a pool match he can be a handful.
RC
ETA I don't mean to suggest John's a bad guy, just playing a pool match he can be a handful.
Earl game is A+ but his attitude and demeanor is reminecent(sp?) of someone who has spent YEARS+ being great at a struggling sport.
I am in no way defending his actions or attitude as I was never there, but perhaps a little understanding on why he is overall frustrated. It is not justifiable nor should it go unpunished, however, it can be understandable to be so completely frustrated that your attitude and emotions get the best of you when you feel so passionately about a sport you love, yet, no one else seems to get it.
It is a rarity to see the type of skill, passion, and love for a game that we get from Earl. Like I said, not excusable to act like that, yet a little understandable.
Carl
I am in no way defending his actions or attitude as I was never there, but perhaps a little understanding on why he is overall frustrated. It is not justifiable nor should it go unpunished, however, it can be understandable to be so completely frustrated that your attitude and emotions get the best of you when you feel so passionately about a sport you love, yet, no one else seems to get it.
It is a rarity to see the type of skill, passion, and love for a game that we get from Earl. Like I said, not excusable to act like that, yet a little understandable.
Carl
I don't blame Earl as much as the crowds all pool players have to put up with. Crowds just aren't at the same level as players and players react differently. With Earl if he gets whim of the comments or hears something silly during an interview he might get a comical. People are seeing Earl out of context and he gets misrepresented, sometimes it seems like he does it on purpose. Other times people are just being poor peers asking insane questions or making comments that are unnecessary.
The important thing is that people jump to blame Earl and no one blames the referee (tournament operator). Referees don't put as much into preparing for tournaments as players and sometimes they stereotype players as larger than life egos and treat them like they need to be taught a lesson. That is what happen to Earl.
(I EDIT get over it.)
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jmho
i personally think that earl bein earl will attract more people to the sport than drive them away. now im not sayin i agree with all that he does. the fact of the matter is that people show up to watch him play, to watch him get beat. there was a much similar great in another sport who was in many ways like earl. does the name muhammed ali ring a bell. most people hated him at the time, but sold out shows hoping to watch someone beat the hell out of him. he now is known as the greatest
i personally think that earl bein earl will attract more people to the sport than drive them away. now im not sayin i agree with all that he does. the fact of the matter is that people show up to watch him play, to watch him get beat. there was a much similar great in another sport who was in many ways like earl. does the name muhammed ali ring a bell. most people hated him at the time, but sold out shows hoping to watch someone beat the hell out of him. he now is known as the greatest
I think Earl should conduct a briefing, or training session, with all spectators, fellow players, and the TD, prior to the event and before each of his matches. These people just don't appreciate him!
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I dont Think he got tosses during that. I think thats when he played Alex. Not sure what the actual incident was that got him kicked out. The cue banging wasnt bad enough for him to get thrown out, it was something else.
I think Earl is one of the greatest players, ever. But with that said, he should realize he is NOT bigger than the game. He is now and probably always has been just crying out for attention... and is use to getting it.
Sadly, we will never know how great he could have been because of his attitude. Now, more than ever, he needs to find himself. He is getting older and his competition is constantly getting tougher.
Sadly, we will never know how great he could have been because of his attitude. Now, more than ever, he needs to find himself. He is getting older and his competition is constantly getting tougher.
I agree althoug I always thought that sharking ended up with some sort of foul like BIH or loss of game (not match). Someone correct me if Im wrong.
I do believe the Mosconi Cup takes into consideration the BCA ranking points as it pertains to who represents Team USA. Maybe next year, we can have Mika on Team USA since he's now ranked by the organizational entity that represents the United States of America. That would be nice.
Amen to that......I've watched Mika from his early days at the US Open to being the man to beat in any tournament he enters. Mika's game is at a level that few pros will ever see. He went through the field at the Masters 10 Ball tournament undefeated and he looked unbeatable to me. After Shane went out early I couldn't see anyone stopping Mika and nobody did.
Wouldn't it be nice if Mika did play on the US Mosconi Cup team since he lives here full time (I think for the last 12 years).
James