Efren Reyes NOT allowed to play the Qatar 9-ball Open by the WPA

Roy Steffensen

Roy Steffensen

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Efren Reyes, Fransisco Bustamante, Ronato Alcano, Alex Pagulayan, Roberto Gomez, Lee Van Corteza and Radalfo Luat were not allowed to join the Qatar 9-ball Open by the WPA, because they are not in "good standing" with the federation in their homecountry, the BSCP.

The mentioned players are in the BMPAP, and also members of another BSCP, which is approved by the court of laws in Philippines. The court of laws have said that the BSCP led by Yen Makabenta is not a legal organization, still WPA will not listen to this, and choose to sleep in the bed of Yen Makabenta & Co.

Dennis Orcullo was granted a spot in the tournament only because he is the reigning champion.

I say it's time to support the fight of Efren Reyes & Co!

I want to know what the WPA is doing to solve the situation in the Philippines, and I would like to know why the WPA/APBU has Yen Makabenta and BSCP as the head body of the Philippines when this organization is not approved by the government in the Philippines...
 
They got a horse in the race besides Dennis?
Sounds like someone's dumping stocks and hedging bets...
And one of the stupidest ideas they've had yet.
Don't see how that can benefit pool by removing known champions from activity:confused:
 
I read this crap and I want to gag. There is so much more I would like to say but I won't say it publicly. Let's just say it's even uglier than you think.
 
With this being the Qatar 9-ball "Open" and these top guys not being able to play because of WPA, are they going to be playing in the US Open, as the US Open is listed in this "WPA ranking tour" (Philippine Open, China Open, Qatar Open, US Open, and the World Ten Ball Championship)???
 
Joe_Jaguar said:
With this being the Qatar 9-ball "Open" and these top guys not being able to play because of WPA, are they going to be playing in the US Open, as the US Open is listed in this "WPA ranking tour" (Philippine Open, China Open, Qatar Open, US Open, and the World Ten Ball Championship)???
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That, my friend, is a very good question.

I am sure some of the posters here knows the organisers of US Open and could contact them. Would be very interesting if we could get an official statement, saying whether US Open will follow WPA's strong arm tactic or not. But I guess that is a fight taken behind closed doors - as so much else in the pool world

Anyone?
 
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pooladdict said:
That, my friend, is a very good question.

I am sure some of the posters here knows the organisers of US Open and could contact them. Would be very interesting if we could get an official statement, saying whether US Open will follow WPA's strong arm tactic or not. But I guess that is a fight taken behind closed doors - as so much else in the pol world

Anyone?
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Personally, I don't think Barry Behrman would be vulnerable to this type of horse jackery. Barry wants the best and greatest players at his event. I would even go as far as putting my neck on the block, and venture to say that if presented with the option to kowtow to the WPA just so his event would be "sanctioned" or a qualifier for the WPA (with the stipulation that the WPA could regulate who can or cannot participate in the U.S. Open), I'd say Barry wouldn't hesitate to tell the WPA to "get bent." Barry's event is still the longest-running and most prestigious 9-ball event, and won't let a politics-poisoned body stand in his way.

That's pure conjecture and supposition on my part, but I have this deep-seated feeling that it's not too far off.

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
Personally, I don't think Barry Behrman would be vulnerable to this type of horse jackery. Barry wants the best and greatest players at his event. I would even go as far as putting my neck on the block, and venture to say that if presented with the option to kowtow to the WPA just so his event would be "sanctioned" or a qualifier for the WPA (with the stipulation that the WPA could regulate who can or cannot participate in the U.S. Open), I'd say Barry wouldn't hesitate to tell the WPA to "get bent." Barry's event is still the longest-running and most prestigious 9-ball event, and won't let a politics-poisoned body stand in his way.

That's pure conjecture and supposition on my part, but I have this deep-seated feeling that it's not too far off.

-Sean
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I hope you are correct...

jay helfert said:
I read this crap and I want to gag. There is so much more I would like to say but I won't say it publicly. Let's just say it's even uglier than you think.
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Please let us know how you feel. I promise I won't say it to anyone
 
jay helfert said:
I read this crap and I want to gag. There is so much more I would like to say but I won't say it publicly. Let's just say it's even uglier than you think.
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Agree.

Nothing against Dennis, but it looks like Bugsy Promotions have all but taken over, or at least have become the dominate orginization in Filipino pool. The Puyat and Negros Billiard Stable players are frozen out for political reasons, which are never valid reasons.

What a way to pay back the icons who put your country on the pool map.
 
jay helfert said:
I read this crap and I want to gag. There is so much more I would like to say but I won't say it publicly. Let's just say it's even uglier than you think.
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I don't doubt that for a second after what happened to Edwin Reyes. Pretty sad state of affairs.
 
Terry Ardeno said:
Agree.

Nothing against Dennis, but it looks like Bugsy Promotions have all but taken over, or at least have become the dominate orginization in Filipino pool. The Puyat and Negros Billiard Stable players are frozen out for political reasons, which are never valid reasons.

What a way to pay back the icons who put your country on the pool map.
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I think you might have misunderstood something here Terry, and I'll try to explain as good as I can.

Bugsy Promotions consist of the players Dennis Orcullo, Ronato Alcano, Roberto Gomez and about 20-25 other players.

Negros Billiard Stable has Lee Van Corteza + some others I can't remember right now.

Puyat Sport has Efren, Bustamante and Alex Pagulayan.

These three stables have started the BMPAP all together, to take care of the filipino professionals in the sport of pool.

The BSCP, with Yen Makabenta, is the other group that the BMPAP disagrees with. Yen Makabenta is running the BSCP, and he is also owner of Raya Sports, who produce the World Ten Ball Championship and the Philippine 10-ball Open.

Since the BMPAP-players (Bugsy, Puyat and Negros) are not in "good standing" with Yen Makabenta, the WPA says that they can't compete in WPA-sanctioned tournaments. Perhaps also the US Open...

As a sidenote, ALL these players were informed before the Philippines Open, that they might end up being banned from WPA-tournaments because of being in BMPAP, as long as the conflict is going on.

Only Antonio Gabica and Marlon Manalo chose to switch side again, as they now have done 3 times. All the other players could have done the same thing. Instead they wanted to continue to fight for what they believe are right, especially after the tragic death of Edwin Reyes.
 
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bignasty said:
have the hottest avatar i have EVER seen! omg.....:eek:
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Are you referring to Joe_Jaguar's avatar? :eek:

I think the parallels to what Charlie Williams does and the WPA are quite interesting. It appears they both like to exclude certain players. Uhmmmm :confused:

Dave
 
Roy Steffensen said:
I think you might have misunderstood something here Terry, and I'll try to explain as good as I can.

Bugsy Promotions consist of the players Dennis Orcullo, Ronato Alcano, Roberto Gomez and about 20-25 other players.

Negros Billiard Stable has Lee Van Corteza + some others I can't remember right now.

Puyat Sport has Efren, Bustamante and Alex Pagulayan.

These three stables have started the BMPAP all together, to take care of the filipino professionals in the sport of pool.

The BSCP, with Yen Makabenta, is the other group that the BMPAP disagrees with.

Since the BMPAP-players (Bugsy, Puyat and Negros) are not in "good standing" with Yen Makabenta, the WPA says that they can't compete in WPA-sanctioned tournaments. Perhaps also the US Open...

As a sidenote, ALL these players were informed before the Philippines Open, that they might end up being banned from WPA-tournaments because of being in BMPAP, as long as the conflict is going on.

Only Antonio Gabica and Marlon Manalo chose to switch side again, as they now have done 3 times. All the other players could have done the same thing. Instead they wanted to continue to fight for what they believe are right, especially after the tragic death of Edwin Reyes.
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I'll be surprised if they can be prevented from playing in the U S Open. It is an open event, right? This reminds me of when the Indy cars split into two groups years ago and it almost ruined the sport.
 
12squared said:
Are you referring to Joe_Jaguar's avatar? :eek:

I think the parallels to what Charlie Williams does and the WPA are quite interesting. It appears they both like to exclude certain players. Uhmmmm :confused:

Dave
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An interesting point about Charlie Williams and the World Ten Ball Championship is that Charlie insisted on having BMPAP players such as Rubilen Amit in the WPA Women World Ten Ball Championship.

WPA agreed on that, even though she is in BMPAP and therefore not in good standing with BSCP.

She ended up winning the World Ten Ball Championship.

I am very happy she did, but why does WPA allow certain players to play and other not?

I really want to know what is going on... This is not good for the sport. Not at all.

Shame on WPA
 
Roy Steffensen said:
I think you might have misunderstood something here Terry, and I'll try to explain as good as I can.

Bugsy Promotions consist of the players Dennis Orcullo, Ronato Alcano, Roberto Gomez and about 20-25 other players.

Negros Billiard Stable has Lee Van Corteza + some others I can't remember right now.

Puyat Sport has Efren, Bustamante and Alex Pagulayan.

These three stables have started the BMPAP all together, to take care of the filipino professionals in the sport of pool.

The BSCP, with Yen Makabenta, is the other group that the BMPAP disagrees with. Yen Makabenta is running the BSCP, and he is also owner of Raya Sports, who produce the World Ten Ball Championship and the Philippine 10-ball Open.

Since the BMPAP-players (Bugsy, Puyat and Negros) are not in "good standing" with Yen Makabenta, the WPA says that they can't compete in WPA-sanctioned tournaments. Perhaps also the US Open...

As a sidenote, ALL these players were informed before the Philippines Open, that they might end up being banned from WPA-tournaments because of being in BMPAP, as long as the conflict is going on.

Only Antonio Gabica and Marlon Manalo chose to switch side again, as they now have done 3 times. All the other players could have done the same thing. Instead they wanted to continue to fight for what they believe are right, especially after the tragic death of Edwin Reyes.
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Roy,
Thank you for clearing up the misconceptions I had with this. Yours was a very educational post for me, and I appreciate you taking the time to explain this like you did. It really sorts things out. As you can tell, I can't follow politics! Too complicated.

How did you know all that???

I already repped you for the original post, so I owe you another for this one!
 
dont get me wrong

12squared said:
Are you referring to Joe_Jaguar's avatar? :eek:

I think the parallels to what Charlie Williams does and the WPA are quite interesting. It appears they both like to exclude certain players. Uhmmmm :confused:

Dave
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i loves me some american dream just not in the same way!:thumbup:
 
Terry Ardeno said:
Agree.

Nothing against Dennis, but it looks like Bugsy Promotions have all but taken over, or at least have become the dominate orginization in Filipino pool. The Puyat and Negros Billiard Stable players are frozen out for political reasons, which are never valid reasons.

What a way to pay back the icons who put your country on the pool map.
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Terry, this isn't about Bugsy or Puyat or any of the other filipino associations. You misunderstood my post. My gripe is with the ones who banned these great players from playing. I don't like to see anyone playing God with someone else's LIFE and CAREER.

I'll tell you one thing. They better get this crap straightened out quick. I'm sick of it and about to blow the whistle on these guys. People in a position of power should use that power intelligently. The ones being punished should not be the players!
 
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Roy Steffensen said:
I think you might have misunderstood something here Terry, and I'll try to explain as good as I can.

Bugsy Promotions consist of the players Dennis Orcullo, Ronato Alcano, Roberto Gomez and about 20-25 other players.

Negros Billiard Stable has Lee Van Corteza + some others I can't remember right now.

Puyat Sport has Efren, Bustamante and Alex Pagulayan.

These three stables have started the BMPAP all together, to take care of the filipino professionals in the sport of pool.

The BSCP, with Yen Makabenta, is the other group that the BMPAP disagrees with. Yen Makabenta is running the BSCP, and he is also owner of Raya Sports, who produce the World Ten Ball Championship and the Philippine 10-ball Open.

Since the BMPAP-players (Bugsy, Puyat and Negros) are not in "good standing" with Yen Makabenta, the WPA says that they can't compete in WPA-sanctioned tournaments. Perhaps also the US Open...

As a sidenote, ALL these players were informed before the Philippines Open, that they might end up being banned from WPA-tournaments because of being in BMPAP, as long as the conflict is going on.

Only Antonio Gabica and Marlon Manalo chose to switch side again, as they now have done 3 times. All the other players could have done the same thing. Instead they wanted to continue to fight for what they believe are right, especially after the tragic death of Edwin Reyes.
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Yen just lost the BSCP seat to Puyat in the last election. Now, Yen is contesting if Puyat is eligible to be elected. If Puyat retained the seat, I wonder what will happen to World 10-Ball and the Philippine Open.
 
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