Enough with you nits and nitwits

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titanic

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I have been reading the posts all you nits and nitwits have been writing about the Bucktooth and Fatboy debacle.

I want to set the record straight one final time. I have been a friend of Bucktooth's for over 50 years. I have known Grady Mathews almost as long.

All you youngsters have absolutely no class whatsoever.

We could all whip Muhammad Ali today but in his prime you would have got down on your knees and begged him not to hit you.

Bucktooth and Grady and Freddy all have one thing in common. They played
in POOL HALLS . Places you people would have never had the JUEVOS to even go into. The RATHOLE in Oakland, John Singer's on 7th Street in East Oakland, Trees in the Fillmore District in San Francisco to name a few.

These old players laid the grounwork for the sport you nits and nitwits are doing your best to destroy.

In their primes you would have been the "OWLS" who sat on the sidelines and tried to make your little side bets and couldn't wait to get back to your joint to tell your stories.

Im not going to say Bucktooth invented the jump shot but he is the first guy I ever saw do it back in the 6o's.

I remember watching him and Ronnie Allen play one handed one pocket and many of the games one or the other would make a ball on the break and run out.That was in Cochrans in San Francisco.

Those pool halls of their era were not FAMILY BILLIARD CENTERS!!!!! If you got out of line you could get your ass kicked pretty fast and good. When the players played I don't care how much money you had bet on the side or if you were staking a player you made no calls and did not interfere with the game.

You talk about Bucktooth being a lock artist. Did he ever ask any of you to play? No. Why? He played big action and played the top players.

Don't blame him if he got or gets huge handicaps. He doesn't put a gun to anyones head. They didn't nor do they now have to play giving him weight.

How many of you nits and nitwits ever got in a car and took off down the highway just looking for a place to play? Playing whoever was there.

I was not at the Derby Classic but I have seen the video. Why is there no sound.....to keep you idiots entertained. When Fatboy showed that cash Im sure Tooey said " Well you finally showed up with some cash follow me to the slaughter". He beckoned him at least three times to follow him.

And how many times have any of you ever seen anyone anywhere flip a coin for thousands of dollars?

If flipping a coin was gambling it would be done in every casino in the country.

When you see guys like The Beard, Grady or the Tooth you should show some respect and thank them for their contributions to this game.

And finally some words of wisdom from the old school:

If you see two guys shaking hands in a pool hall one of them is a sucker!

Don't beleive anything you hear and only half of what you see with your own eyes in a pool room.

My only regret is all you nits and nitwits are too young and you never saw pool when it was GREAT and you never will.

OH WELL!!!!!!!!
 
titanic said:
I have been reading the posts all you nits and nitwits have been writing about the Bucktooth and Fatboy debacle.

I want to set the record straight one final time. I have been a friend of Bucktooth's for over 50 years. I have known Grady Mathews almost as long.

All you youngsters have absolutely no class whatsoever.

We could all whip Muhammad Ali today but in his prime you would have got down on your knees and begged him not to hit you.

Bucktooth and Grady and Freddy all have one thing in common. They played
in POOL HALLS . Places you people would have never had the JUEVOS to even go into. The RATHOLE in Oakland, John Singer's on 7th Street in East Oakland, Trees in the Fillmore District in San Francisco to name a few.

These old players laid the grounwork for the sport you nits and nitwits are doing your best to destroy.

In their primes you would have been the "OWLS" who sat on the sidelines and tried to make your little side bets and couldn't wait to get back to your joint to tell your stories.

Im not going to say Bucktooth invented the jump shot but he is the first guy I ever saw do it back in the 6o's.

I remember watching him and Ronnie Allen play one handed one pocket and many of the games one or the other would make a ball on the break and run out.That was in Cochrans in San Francisco.

Those pool halls of their era were not FAMILY BILLIARD CENTERS!!!!! If you got out of line you could get your ass kicked pretty fast and good. When the players played I don't care how much money you had bet on the side or if you were staking a player you made no calls and did not interfere with the game.

You talk about Bucktooth being a lock artist. Did he ever ask any of you to play? No. Why? He played big action and played the top players.

Don't blame him if he got or gets huge handicaps. He doesn't put a gun to anyones head. They didn't nor do they now have to play giving him weight.

How many of you nits and nitwits ever got in a car and took off down the highway just looking for a place to play? Playing whoever was there.

I was not at the Derby Classic but I have seen the video. Why is there no sound.....to keep you idiots entertained. When Fatboy showed that cash Im sure Tooey said " Well you finally showed up with some cash follow me to the slaughter". He beckoned him at least three times to follow him.

And how many times have any of you ever seen anyone anywhere flip a coin for thousands of dollars?

If flipping a coin was gambling it would be done in every casino in the country.

When you see guys like The Beard, Grady or the Tooth you should show some respect and thank them for their contributions to this game.

And finally some words of wisdom from the old school:

If you see two guys shaking hands in a pool hall one of them is a sucker!

Don't beleive anything you hear and only half of what you see with your own eyes in a pool room.

My only regret is all you nits and nitwits are too young and you never saw pool when it was GREAT and you never will.

OH WELL!!!!!!!!
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Hey Titanic, I do appreciate your opinion about the old days and about the olds, in fact I had Grady put on his seminar on the history of pool at my Pool Room last April. I also think the old players who have earned thier place in the history of this sport do deserve respect. But where I disagree with you, I have seen people flip coins for thousands of dollars a number of times. You see that is really gambling, when you stand-up with your cash with 50 - 50 odd's you are truly gambling and a gambler. Yoiu are right though not many would do it anymore, but it certainly is not a gaft!!!

All I can say is it takes Big Balls to stand-up and flip a coin for $100,000. I have also seen Buchtooths antics over the years, and his reputation procedes him. All that was done to him recently is the same thing he has been doing to others for years, the only difference is that he was high rolled.

Have a good night!! Just my thoughts / Opinion!
 
I don't think it takes big balls to flip for $100k when you have millions. Just my opinion though.
 
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Nine Ball said:
I don't think it takes big balls to flip for $100k when you have millions. Just my opinion though.
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I have to agree with your thoughts, but it still can serve a purpose when you can High roll the High Roller!!!!!! Talken Sh!t is not gamblin either, and it certainly dosen't take Big Balls!!!!!

have a good night!!!!!
 
Is Billy a nit or nitwit too? I certainly wouldn't put him in that class, but I'm just curious because he doesn't seem to be a huge fan of Bucktooth's either. If being unimpressed with Bucktooth's act makes me a nit (or nitwit), then I am guilty as charged ... as are many of us.

I've said numerous times that he is entertaining though. And, yeah, he hasn't asked many of us to play because his act is to go after the top players, then try to publicly humiliate them into giving him ridiculous amounts of weight. I sat there and watched him rag on Efren for 30 minutes at the Sands in Reno. His insults started to get downright nasty as Efren repeatedly declined The Tooth's offer for some game involving an enormous amount of weight (though, I admit, Bucktooth does need a lot of weight from Efren). I've seen the same act, numerous times, involving other top players. Does he really want to play, or is it enough of a rush for him just going to these tournaments and insulting all of the top players, then calling them all nits when they aren't interested in what he's "offering"? It's old. It's tiring, and yeah, watching the shoe on the other foot at the DCC was a breath of fresh air into his tired act.
 
does not change the fact that yeah i respect some old school players , but now that they are OLD they need not act like CHILDREN. i could care less about either of them .
 
I'm approaching 60, spent a few years on the road, saw the inside of a lot of stinky ol' poolrooms, was fortunate to have seen and played a few great players in my day.

I got one question for you. Why is it the older a person gets, the better they played when they were young? Are you sure Tooth didn't play Ronnie one handed, behind his back, with Ronnie using both hands and both of them running 8 and out EVERY rack? LOL

I have a lot of respect for SOME of the older players but you make these guys seem like they only played other greats, all had hearts of lions, were 10 feet tall and bulletproof. We all know that's BS.

I have yet to meet but a few back from the good ol' days who wouldn't try to sneak into a poolroom as an unknown and rip some kid off for his lunch money.

I understand wanting to defend your friends but not at the expense of name calling and insulting everyone on this forum.

Just because a person has reached a certain age doesn't mean they DESERVE respect. They have to EARN it just like the rest of us.

Do you think you deserve everyone's respect with this thread? I think you earned something (I'm not sure what) for proving to everyone here you're nothing but an OLD NIT! (Just Kidding)

Stop me before I start ramblin' on about the good ol' days again!
Stones
 
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If you think the pool rooms of old are more dangerous than the bars of today ....you are nuts. How many gang bangers and tweakers did you have to walk thru on the way to your rooms? Please spare us the old school "you whippersnappers don't know what betting is.." story.

There are guys from the old school still in the mix...Grady, Billy and Squirel come to mind. And no one of any age has to like playing them. They don't b!tch and moan about how things "ain't like they used to be". They adapt and make games they can win or have a shot at...then they send it in. (Ok maybe 1 or 2 will b!tch just a little now and then....but they still send it in :D)

If you have been around pool 50 years and haven't figured out that things change.....I got nothing for you.
 
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titanic said:
IT IS A LITTLE DISTURBING WHEN NAME CALLING COMES INTO THE PICTURE. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OPINION SO LET'S STOP BERATING THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH OURS.
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Just curious. Are you the same guy that posted these words?
 
titanic said:
I have been reading the posts all you nits and nitwits have been writing about the Bucktooth and Fatboy debacle.

I want to set the record straight one final time. I have been a friend of Bucktooth's for over 50 years. I have known Grady Mathews almost as long.

All you youngsters have absolutely no class whatsoever.

We could all whip Muhammad Ali today but in his prime you would have got down on your knees and begged him not to hit you.

Bucktooth and Grady and Freddy all have one thing in common. They played
in POOL HALLS . Places you people would have never had the JUEVOS to even go into. The RATHOLE in Oakland, John Singer's on 7th Street in East Oakland, Trees in the Fillmore District in San Francisco to name a few.

These old players laid the grounwork for the sport you nits and nitwits are doing your best to destroy.

In their primes you would have been the "OWLS" who sat on the sidelines and tried to make your little side bets and couldn't wait to get back to your joint to tell your stories.

Im not going to say Bucktooth invented the jump shot but he is the first guy I ever saw do it back in the 6o's.

I remember watching him and Ronnie Allen play one handed one pocket and many of the games one or the other would make a ball on the break and run out.That was in Cochrans in San Francisco.

Those pool halls of their era were not FAMILY BILLIARD CENTERS!!!!! If you got out of line you could get your ass kicked pretty fast and good. When the players played I don't care how much money you had bet on the side or if you were staking a player you made no calls and did not interfere with the game.

You talk about Bucktooth being a lock artist. Did he ever ask any of you to play? No. Why? He played big action and played the top players.

Don't blame him if he got or gets huge handicaps. He doesn't put a gun to anyones head. They didn't nor do they now have to play giving him weight.

How many of you nits and nitwits ever got in a car and took off down the highway just looking for a place to play? Playing whoever was there.

I was not at the Derby Classic but I have seen the video. Why is there no sound.....to keep you idiots entertained. When Fatboy showed that cash Im sure Tooey said " Well you finally showed up with some cash follow me to the slaughter". He beckoned him at least three times to follow him.

And how many times have any of you ever seen anyone anywhere flip a coin for thousands of dollars?

If flipping a coin was gambling it would be done in every casino in the country.

When you see guys like The Beard, Grady or the Tooth you should show some respect and thank them for their contributions to this game.

And finally some words of wisdom from the old school:

If you see two guys shaking hands in a pool hall one of them is a sucker!

Don't beleive anything you hear and only half of what you see with your own eyes in a pool room.

My only regret is all you nits and nitwits are too young and you never saw pool when it was GREAT and you never will.

OH WELL!!!!!!!!
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I believe that 99% of the folks around here treat Freddy and Grady with the utmost respect and really balue their opiinions.

To compare "Tooey" as you refer to him is insultive to say the least. Granted, the tooth played fair in his day, but, he has the class of a Duck and is one of the most irritating POS you will find in a pool room. All he does is make useless racket.
 
ironman said:
I believe that 99% of the folks around here treat Freddy and Grady with the utmost respect and really balue their opiinions.

To compare "Tooey" as you refer to him is insultive to say the least. Granted, the tooth played fair in his day, but, he has the class of a Duck and is one of the most irritating POS you will find in a pool room. All he does is make useless racket.
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Tooey...... seems to be the classic example of alligator mouth and hummingbird ass.

Grady.... a true PLAYER, in every sense of the word. Sometimes his emotions get control of his brain/mouth but he's among of group of the old school guys that are at the top of the heap in my book.

Titanic.... to address the entire population of this forum as nits and nitwits is rude and just plain stupid. I'm not saying you are rude and stupid but your post is.
 
I have played pool in poolrooms and bars all over the country for over fifty years too. Yes the great players of yesterday deserve to be held high as sports hero?s, but as great people, not too many. How many of you would want your sister or daughter married to most of them?

As far as when it was more dangerous to play I think it?s a toss-up. Back then you would get bad beating real quickly for some of the business that goes on today. I laugh at the guys on here that say they see nothing wrong with firing air balls. The places I gambled if you got caught doing that it was an instant beating and you wouldn?t be let back in that room or any other that heard about it. Today they just go to the next table and laugh about it. Most of the players that got hurt real bad or killed years ago got it for doing business against their backer. Today the same players pull the same S*** all the time and nothing happens to them.

I didn?t have the worst poolroom in NY, not even close, but it was a bucket of blood. It was the first room they came to when they got out of prison if lived in the area. All you had to do is walk up to the counter and ask for drugs, weapons, one or a case of hi-jacked goods from the docks or the airport and you?d be hooked-up in minutes. One of the biggest stolen car rings on Long Island was busted out of my place. About sixty people arested with half of them being cops. The local cops were in to raid the place each month. I was taken in for questioning a half dozen times a year.

I would say all and all it?s safer today if you watch what rooms you go into. Johnnyt
 
Jimmy M. said:
Is Billy a nit or nitwit too? I certainly wouldn't put him in that class, but I'm just curious because he doesn't seem to be a huge fan of Bucktooth's either. If being unimpressed with Bucktooth's act makes me a nit (or nitwit), then I am guilty as charged ... as are many of us.

I've said numerous times that he is entertaining though. And, yeah, he hasn't asked many of us to play because his act is to go after the top players, then try to publicly humiliate them into giving him ridiculous amounts of weight. I sat there and watched him rag on Efren for 30 minutes at the Sands in Reno. His insults started to get downright nasty as Efren repeatedly declined The Tooth's offer for some game involving an enormous amount of weight (though, I admit, Bucktooth does need a lot of weight from Efren). I've seen the same act, numerous times, involving other top players. Does he really want to play, or is it enough of a rush for him just going to these tournaments and insulting all of the top players, then calling them all nits when they aren't interested in what he's "offering"? It's old. It's tiring, and yeah, watching the shoe on the other foot at the DCC was a breath of fresh air into his tired act.
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In the 70's at the Stardust open, I saw Toof make a prop bet to Weanie Beanie--run 8 balls in one-pocket 3 successive times. When Beanie finished running the third 8, Toof exploded with a 3 minute tirade accusing Beanie of being a lock-up artist. To shut him up, Beanie pulled out a gigantic roll of c-notes and threw it on the table and challenged him to further action.
 
Nine Ball said:
I don't think it takes big balls to flip for $100k when you have millions. Just my opinion though.
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I avoided that whole Bucktooth vs. Fatboy nonsense. IMO, flipping a coin for anything whether it be a 5 cents or a 100K is just silly if not stupid. What is the point, it proves nothing about a person's skill in anything. So you can afford or are foolish enough to loss 1000's, big deal.

Stones said:
I'm approaching 60,.... Why is it the older a person gets, the better they played when they were young?....Stones
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Ha-ha, I'm 62 and a computer programmer. Al Gore and I invented the internet. :rolleyes: The past always looks better than it was, we tend to remember the highs and ignore the lows.

titanic said:
I have been reading the posts all you nits and nitwits have been writing about the Bucktooth and Fatboy debacle...
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As to this thread in general... Though I'm an old dude, I hadn't really been involved in pool 'til the last 10 years or so. I think there are "nits and nitwits" on this forum who are just looking to raise hell, but I think most are respectful to the history of pool and people like Grady and Bucktooth. Those who are disrespectful tend to go over the top and it seems worse than it is here. It only reflects society in general, there will always be people "dissing" veterans and it is even more apparent in a field like pool where for economic reasons the veterans have to stay in the game past their prime. They can't just have a nice retirement ceremony and go babble on about their sport in a network broadcast booth, they have to keep playing when they don't quite have it anymore. If they are exposed in this manner to the young of the game, they are going to take some licks.
Lastly, I think the "honor" of gambling and the other hijinks of pool is greatly overstated to begin with. Though I don't think gambling is "wrong", I think all this phony bravado associated with it is a lot of nonsense.
Grady, Bucktooth, et al deserve to be treated with respect, but not venerated. If they expose themselves to the "nits & nitwits", they have to accept the consequences.
 
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JCIN said:
If you think the pool rooms of old are more dangerous than the bars of today ....you are nuts. How many gang bangers and tweakers did you have to walk thru on the way to your rooms? Please spare us the old school "you whippersnappers don't know what betting is.." story.

There are guys from the old school still in the mix...Grady, Billy and Squirel come to mind. And no one of any age has to like playing them. They don't b!tch and moan about how things "ain't like they used to be". They adapt and make games they can win or have a shot at...then they send it in. (Ok maybe 1 or 2 will b!tch just a little now and then....but they still send it in :D)

If you have been around pool 50 years and haven't figured out that things change.....I got nothing for you.
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Here is the difference between now and 30-40 years ago. These gang bangers need to have weapons to survive. 30-40 years ago, real men used their fists and whatever else it took to survive. It is even stated in Playing off the Rail when Tooth was going to pull some Nolan Ryan $hit and throw some 90 MPH billiard balls. Back in the old days you caught a beaten and moved on and you should have realized that most of the time you might have earned it and learned from it. Nowadays you can't get away with anything. You have somebody that needs to get what he deserves but you don't dare knock him out or bounce you knuckles off their face once because it is going to screw you over. I agree with Titanic's post and I like Bucktooth as a character. Look at the guys that sit there and woof at the Derby nowadays. There is no difference between them and Tooth except those other might gamble cheaper.
 
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