Ernesto Dominguez; Some or his work.

WOW. This thread is still going strong? Hey Glen, u have definitely done your homework. Good for you. I applaud anyone who takes pride and care in their work, it is very hard to find.

From your evidence, everything my dad has done for the past 35 years is wrong. Which is ok by me. I dont take it personally when someone corrects me and neither does my dad. Thats cool, Im not holding anything against you. Whatever man.

But like I said earlier, we get paid to what the customer wants. If they tell us to make 2 inch pockets, shit, we'll do it. Why, because we got bills to pay.

Playing pool has A LOT to do with doing the tables right. You are being ignorant and stubborn if you say otherwise. That is why Greg Sullivan listens to the PLAYERS at tournaments on their opinions.

SVB has probably never hammered a nail, why, because he doesnt NEED to change what he does for a living. He is doing quite well with what he is doing. SO ARE WE. I hope you are doing well also. People are happy with our work, even if your scientific evidence from NASA proves otherwise. We have had the same customers for 30 years and they keep calling us back. Doesnt that tell you something? That the "WRONG" method of work we do do stands the test of time and performance. We are not the governing body of table mechanics. Neither are you. What happens if the BCA decides tomorrow that K55 is incorrect for pool. Now its K66. Are you a dumbshit now? Of course not. You work with the knowledge you have acculmulated over the years and do the best you can. So do we.

Ask Greg S who helped him and his mechanics out when he barely started with Diamond. My dad would fix the tables for Don Mackey for a bare minimum charge to help the sport.

I would never tell an artist how to paint. If the guy paints with his toes and does beautiful art, why would I tell them they are "wrong." Believe it or not, fixing tables and playing pool are fine arts. I dont talk shit about you, you shouldnt do the same to me, especially over a worldwide forum. You do your work, we'll do ours.

What I think stings you like a cobra :) , is that many people admire my dads work. Ive read some of your posts before and you always take a jab at pops for your own propaganda. Its ok, just dont bring someone else down because the world doesnt agree with you. Thats the difference between you and my dad, he never says a word. He lets his hands and sometimes his cue do the talking. He's beaten Johnny, Efren, and every major name in pool out there. But you NEVER hear him say oh I beat him, im better or anything like that.

Like I said before, feel free to call if you want to talk anymore shit. Let it go buddy. Oh and your invitation to fixin tables is open. And the rail for bets is WIDE open... even against a master billiards technician as yourself.

peace out and thanks everyone for your support. This is my last reply to this thread because I got things to do. Im leaving to Phoenix tomorrow and dont have time to explain myself to people who are set on making themselves famous.
 
This thread has become ridiculous. Ernesto and Oscar are two of the most hard working and honest people that I know.
 
yobagua said:
Could I ask some questions Cobra?
If you're trying to get me to degrade Ernesto's work, it's not happening.

Do you think Ernesto Dominguez' work is second rate?
No, I think Ernesto does great work, by far one of the best technicians out here.

Do you think he is not a Master Table Mechanic?

No, that implys that he can work on any and every kind of pool table built. I would consider Enesto more of a specialist, I think he can recover a bar table, but not as well as say working on Brunswicks. Few technicians are crossover mechanics...meaning they can work on feather striped railed tables, as well as bar tables, with the same perfect out come. I could spot Ernesto the 2 ball when it comes to recovering bar tables, and I don't mean that in a bad way...as I've said...few work on both ends of the industry.

Do you think he is beneath you in ranking?

Define beneath? Do I think he's worked on as many different kinds of pool tables as I have, including the bar table industry, no.

Do you think his work is no good other than Brunswick tables?

No, I think Ernesto can work on any kind of feather striped table built, provided installing the cloth requires the use of a staple gun.

Do you think he should retire if he doesnt conform to the standards you have set?

Not a chance, why should he? There's 10's of thousands of tables to recover in this country, and not enough good let alone great technicians to go around!
There, happy now. As I've said over and over, my only complaint is the cushions.
 
When I started doing tables my teacher couldn't tell me the difference between k66, k55, u23, step rubber and others. He just said rubber is rubber some of it is for import tables or home built .. I just laughed said yeah right..

Out of all the mechanic's I have worked with or just talked to only 2 of them gave me straight and honest answers. Both of them are welcome in my house anytime here in Sacramento ca.

I talk to Glen more then Earnesto about all tables antiques to modern day tables for general knowledge and repair. I only see Earnesto maybe twice a year so we realy dont talk to much except in short disscusions..

Both guy's are excellent in thier own right but broad knowledge carries alot wieght..

I'm not number 1 but i'm 2nd from last either..

Craig
 
hilla_hilla said:
This thread has become ridiculous. Ernesto and Oscar are two of the most hard working and honest people that I know.
Are you saying I'm not? I haven't had 2 weeks off work since June 1995, when I first started designing my line of coin-operated pool tables:) Which lead to the Diamond Smart tables, which lead to the Diamond ProAms, which lead to all the tournaments played on Diamond Smart Tables and Diamond ProAms. Before you say anything, the tables came before the tournaments, I just consulted Diamond for 7 months on how to design, build, and recover the slates on the tables:) Hmmmm...

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
There, happy now. As I've said over and over, my only complaint is the cushions.

But after all this, do you UNDERSTAND why they use the other cushions?

If the customers tell Ernesto, "I want my table to play like the ones you did at Hard Times." What's his reply supposed to be? "Well, the K-55 profile is the ones that properly fit, so..." The customer won't care. Ernesto is going to be doing my table soon, and if a World Class PLAYER and other World Class players like the way his tables play, then I want the "wrong" cushions.
 
midnightpulp said:
Are you understanding what I'm saying? Yes, it is a FACT that the K55 cushions are designed for a certain table while the K66 are designed for another, but the final result of how a table plays is subjective.

Say a weird trend caught on of people suddenly liking unlevel tables because of the unpredictability. We know a table was designed to play level, but you have people all over jamming shims underneath the legs so they can get an unlevel playing surface. They're doing something to the table is wasn't designed for. How are they wrong when they prefer an unlevel table to a "scientifically correct" level one?

And, in fact, many of the greatest discoveries were made by combining elements that were not designed to be be put together. Sometimes the "wrong" combination works better than the right one.

I kinda like the idea of unlevel tables. :-) How about a randomly generated de-leveler???

A type of table that automatically shifts the table a little in a random direction each game. That would be funny.
 
bamm

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this is exactly the reason people hate forums..there is always someone bigger ,badder, and better ready to knock you down...get a life ...and if your business was all that then you wouldnt have to blow your own horn.....


tap tap tap..... not like I'm one to talk though. I blow my own horn all the time..lol
 
realkingcobra said:
Are you a technician with the same skills and abilities to question another technician?...if so, then yes, if not...then you're a bystander. I'm not in anyway questioning his passion, loyalty, or quality of work in this industry, never have and never would, as I've said...he is a great technician, but sometimes even great technicians can get a little off the beaten path as to what's right when doing this work sometimes. "And I think that every customer should be treated with the same respect, by being made aware of the fact that they have a choice to make...."These are the correct cushions for your table, and these are the one's I'd like to install on your table...what would you like me to do, and if I install these cushions, I'm going to have to make some changes to your rails in order to make them fit!"

Glen

Uh...You posted your comments on the AZ forum. This is the MAIN FORUM. Your post was offered to the forum members which I am. I am not a bystander but an upstanding member of this forum. I assume you were speaking to us, so therefore we have a right to respond and question.
I am not a technician but know Ernesto and his work. I am a customer. A client. I also am a profession in another industry and my work spans over 40 years. I know how professionals should deal with each other. You have shown none of that kind of professionality but only of one upsmanship. Yes you are a technician but as far as the way you conduct and express yourself I would say your human skills are weak and Ernesto could give you the 2 ball on that.
Anyone disagree?
 
realkingcobra said:
Are you saying I'm not? I haven't had 2 weeks off work since June 1995, when I first started designing my line of coin-operated pool tables:) Which lead to the Diamond Smart tables, which lead to the Diamond ProAms, which lead to all the tournaments played on Diamond Smart Tables and Diamond ProAms. Before you say anything, the tables came before the tournaments, I just consulted Diamond for 7 months on how to design, build, and recover the slates on the tables:) Hmmmm...





The WHOLE world must revolve around you! No where did I state anything about you or your work ethics because I DON'T know YOU! I did state that this thread has become ridiculous which you must feel guilty about or you wouldn't have responded to my post:rolleyes: .

I DID state that Ernesto and Oscar ARE honest and hard working because I KNOW them:) . I've never heard anyone speak a negative word about either of them. They are well respected in southern California AND the pool community. The work Ernesto does speaks for himself and he doesn't have to go around insulting people on public forums to steal or take away business. As for Oscar, he's a champion in the making and lets his stick do the talking:) .
 
JB Cases said:
And, in fact, many of the greatest discoveries were made by combining elements that were not designed to be be put together. Sometimes the "wrong" combination works better than the right one.

I kinda like the idea of unlevel tables. :-) How about a randomly generated de-leveler???

A type of table that automatically shifts the table a little in a random direction each game. That would be funny.
Budweiser or Coors?:D
 
yobagua said:
...Its like Efren coming on here criticizing Johnny Archer. He might have his own personal opinions but I dont think he broadcast them, tooting his own horn as a Master of the Table. Why? Because he has class...

Cobra, it's like Yobagua says. You got no class. You could have presented your ideas on how tables should be set up and we all here on AZ Billiards would have appreciated it... but instead you bash another pro who has his own style. There's always different approaches for anything in this life. It sounds like you got some deep seated inner insecurity you're dealing with. Maybe getting some psychiatric therapy somewhere could prove more fruitful than working out your mental anxieties on a pool forum.
 
Scottster said:
Artimus Intercontinental 66 (same as K55) is the correct profile.

Scottster - Who installed the Diamonds @ Shooters in Olathe? And do you know the measurements of the pockets? Also, was K55, K66 or even K77 rails used?

PS Mark off your calendar March 21-23.
 
changed my mind about a Diamond

Earlier in this thread I said that I wouldn't mind if Greg installed a Diamond for me if (actually it was when) I purchase one sometime in the future. I'm retracting that statement. I won't purchase a Diamond table in the future. They don't deserve my business.
 
Franky said:
Earlier in this thread I said that I wouldn't mind if Greg installed a Diamond for me if (actually it was when) I purchase one sometime in the future. I'm retracting that statement. I won't purchase a Diamond table in the future. They don't deserve my business.
Your loss, but what does this thread have to do with Diamond pool tables? I don't work for Diamond, so you'll have to excuse me as to why I'm a little confused as to why you want to change your mind about buying a Diamond table, if that's the table you wanted to buy.
 
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realkingcobra said:
Your loss, but what does this thread have to do with Diamond pool tables?

The way you presented yourself during this thread makes it sound like you are a representative/do all the work for Diamond...
 
realkingcobra said:
Your loss, but what does this thread have to do with Diamond pool tables?

You represent Diamond. Your attitude reflects the treatment that Diamond customers can expect.

This is not good for Diamond. I am proof of that.
 
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