Everyone has been paid at the US OPEN

I feel like with 50 good pool rooms around the country it should be possible to have 4-5 qualifiers over the course of a year and thus fill up the main event....

John, they used to have qualifiers for the Open. I remember going to a couple. The Planet Pool Tour, a regional tour under a different name and owner now, used to have qualifiers for the Open. And the Virginia State Championship, as I recall, the first place was money and entry fee for the Open. Those are two that come to mind.

I do believe there was an effort at one time to have such qualifiers, but I have not heard of any recently.
 
I feel like with 50 good pool rooms around the country it should be possible to have 4-5 qualifiers over the course of a year and thus fill up the main event.

In the 9 Ball World Championships they run many qualifiers to fill it up. When Ronnie Alcano won it he won the last qualifier to get in.

Qualifiers are a great way to fill up the main field. With some planning the rooms could afford to raise enough money to fund the trip for the people who win the qualifiers. And I think Barry should offer a $10,000 bonus to the room whose qualifier entrant finishes the highest in the Open. Or $5000 to the room and $5000 to the player.

If they did this then they would have a full field every year with no worries about the money. Barry could offer a free spectator pass or a highly discounted one to all the players around the country who play in the qualifiers.

There are many ways to draw off the larger body of pool players and have many thousands paying into the pot so that the best of the best who earned their spot can play. Barry should have a one month period at the conclusion of the US Open where it's completely OPEN for anyone to pay their entry fee and sign up for the following year. Then after that the only way to get in is to win a qualifier.

There are many incentives that Barry could give to rooms in addition to the highest finisher bonus. - US Open swag., Official US Open partner. Free PPV for the room. Ultra VIP treatment for any room owner and guests who attend. All expenses paid trip for the room owner that runs the most qualifiers. etc... Some sort of bonus to the player who played in the most qualifiers - like a free entry.

Charge a little extra to fund all this. A little extra from each player playing won't mean much to the individual players but it will mean a lot to have the extra resources for the event's success. For example asking for $100 would be $500 for the entry fee and $100 per qualifier for the tournament management/promotion etc.. That adds about 20-25k to the pot to pay for the highest finisher and other things mentioned above. If a qualifier had say 30 people in it then the entry fee could be $20 and that takes care of the $600. It should not matter to Barry how the room comes up with $600 per entry, just that they do.

For sure some rooms will just go ahead and put their best players in under the guise of winning a qualifier with one entrant, some pros will sponsored by rooms who want to have the pro playing under their banner.

Regarding Escrow. Set up an account with a law firm that qualifier money is paid into. Then when the Open rolls around there will be a nice fat account with all the money securely waiting on the players.

And I think that this can work for every big tournament.

I think I would be nuts to try and do a tournament and HOPE that I got enough entries.

Pool Players and Pool Communities taking destiny in their hands?
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I LIKE IT :thumb up:
 
I suspect there's more elements behind a decision for BB or JA to not go public on "escrow-grab-gate" than we are privy to. Yes, there was some "$$$ jockeying" prior to the tourney. But I don't know enough to criticize. Maybe BB got a snoot full the week before and picked up the phone. Maybe his dog had diarrhea. Maybe JA's son lost a soccer game and Melanie over-cooked the pot roast. ;)


And BTW, JA was stroking at least some checks. My hat's off to him for his blood, sweat and tears, as well as DMG and Art - that possibly saved The Open for next year.

From a consumer standpoint, I loved it. Again.
 
In 2011, the ABP got involved and got Barry to agree to escrow the prize money. The BCA was involved in setting up the accounts and collecting the money. I believe they gave it all to Barry during the week of the event. I thought that was a weakness in the setup, but I was not involved in that aspect. I think everyone was paid fairly well.

In 2012, the ABP was not involved in making sure the money was escrowed. I believe the WPA told Barry and others that if the ABP was involved, they would pull their sanctioning. I am not sure if the BCA was collecting the money that year, but we all know what happened when it came time to pay.

In 2013, the ABP was approached by Barry to set up the escrow and it was apparently OK with the WPA. The BCA was not involved in collecting the money. We set it up in such a way that we wanted to collect all the entry fees and all of the added money and then we wanted to make sure we kept control of the monies we had collected until it was time to pay out the top prizes. It was a bit of a struggle, but we retained control and we made sure the prizes were paid.
 
In 2011, the ABP got involved and got Barry to agree to escrow the prize money. The BCA was involved in setting up the accounts and collecting the money. I believe they gave it all to Barry during the week of the event. I thought that was a weakness in the setup, but I was not involved in that aspect. I think everyone was paid fairly well.

In 2012, the ABP was not involved in making sure the money was escrowed. I believe the WPA told Barry and others that if the ABP was involved, they would pull their sanctioning. I am not sure if the BCA was collecting the money that year, but we all know what happened when it came time to pay.

In 2013, the ABP was approached by Barry to set up the escrow and it was apparently OK with the WPA. The BCA was not involved in collecting the money. We set it up in such a way that we wanted to collect all the entry fees and all of the added money and then we wanted to make sure we kept control of the monies we had collected until it was time to pay out the top prizes. It was a bit of a struggle, but we retained control and we made sure the prizes were paid.

Thank you and Johnny for sticking by your guns and not giving up control until the right time. I do believe this thread is history. Johnnyt
 
In 2011, the ABP got involved and got Barry to agree to escrow the prize money. The BCA was involved in setting up the accounts and collecting the money. I believe they gave it all to Barry during the week of the event. I thought that was a weakness in the setup, but I was not involved in that aspect. I think everyone was paid fairly well.

In 2012, the ABP was not involved in making sure the money was escrowed. I believe the WPA told Barry and others that if the ABP was involved, they would pull their sanctioning. I am not sure if the BCA was collecting the money that year, but we all know what happened when it came time to pay.

In 2013, the ABP was approached by Barry to set up the escrow and it was apparently OK with the WPA. The BCA was not involved in collecting the money. We set it up in such a way that we wanted to collect all the entry fees and all of the added money and then we wanted to make sure we kept control of the monies we had collected until it was time to pay out the top prizes. It was a bit of a struggle, but we retained control and we made sure the prizes were paid.

of course, this is the part most people are very curious about.

"bit of a struggle" vs 'holy crap, can you believe he's trying such an outrageous move?'

I have always been a big believer in all's well that ends well but as has been pointed out here, ad nauseam, should it be necessary to hold someone's feet to the fire to do the right thing?

I mean, was it like a powder keg atmosphere regarding payouts?

I know powder kegs and feet being held to fire can be a bad mix. :eek:

Glad you were involved, Dennis. :smile:

And that it did end well. :thumbup:

best,
brian kc
 
of course, this is the part most people are very curious about.

"bit of a struggle" vs 'holy crap, can you believe he's trying such an outrageous move?'

I have always been a big believer in all's well that ends well but as has been pointed out here, ad nauseam, should it be necessary to hold someone's feet to the fire to do the right thing?

I mean, was it like a powder keg atmosphere regarding payouts?

I know powder kegs and feet being held to fire can be a bad mix. :eek:

Glad you were involved, Dennis. :smile:

And that it did end well. :thumbup:

best,
brian kc

Dennis is being diplomatic, to say the least.

Now, for those that said "move along, nothing to see here, this is the 2nd confirmation of an incident that I first brought to light. Jay was second. Dennis the 3rd.

Whether Johnny feels compelled to share publicly, what I now have since confirmed that MANY people know, we'll have to wait and see. Eventually, like I said, sooner or later, the details will come out. IMO, it'll be better for Johnny if he is the one to release them.
 
I will play this game too:

I actually know somebody there that was working the Open and I heard differently.

Rumor has it, the tournament was a success, and many people don't know that Barry not only paid the players what they were owed, he also gave extra to the winner.

The tourney was highly successful and he decided to give more than what is owed to players out of his own pocket. 10% extra to those that were paid.

Many people can vouch for this, like other rumors, do you believe me?

:D

You may be the first person I ever put on IGNORE.
 
The two of you lost credibility just by speaking about something that nobody can confirm.

Whether it's true or not, nobody will confirm, therefore why even bring it up?

The two of you are just like me, nothing to lose. He said, she said.

The fact is, the players got paid. Are you saying they didn't? I enjoy the Open as a spectator and will continue to do so. You guys speak of it as something more personal.

Let me tell you something Goofy. When an American promoter screws up, it affects every other American promoter! And Barry has already hurt our ability to invite foreign players (particularly from Asia) to this country for other events. Do you begin to grasp what I'm telling you? Probably not in your little glass bubble.
 
All I've seen on this board since I joined earlier this year was worry about whether the players would get paid on time this year. Now that they were,the same b*tchers move onto other stuff,like unsubstantiated rumors about blah blah blah. I see the word "nit" used a lot on here. Well,this thread is full of nits.



Respectfully, Jay, didn't you state, in this thread an others, that you were not there? If that is the case, then, well, all you "know," is heresay. In a court of law, that and $5 will get you a sandwich at Subway.

Before I post anything I speak to the principals involved. I like to hear to it from the horse's mouth. I amaze myself when I respond to fools on here. I've got to quit doing this. :cool:
 
John, they used to have qualifiers for the Open. I remember going to a couple. The Planet Pool Tour, a regional tour under a different name and owner now, used to have qualifiers for the Open. And the Virginia State Championship, as I recall, the first place was money and entry fee for the Open. Those are two that come to mind.

I do believe there was an effort at one time to have such qualifiers, but I have not heard of any recently.

Stevie Moore won a qualifier this year, I think he said it was in NC.
 
In 2011, the ABP got involved and got Barry to agree to escrow the prize money. The BCA was involved in setting up the accounts and collecting the money. I believe they gave it all to Barry during the week of the event. I thought that was a weakness in the setup, but I was not involved in that aspect. I think everyone was paid fairly well.

In 2012, the ABP was not involved in making sure the money was escrowed. I believe the WPA told Barry and others that if the ABP was involved, they would pull their sanctioning. I am not sure if the BCA was collecting the money that year, but we all know what happened when it came time to pay.

In 2013, the ABP was approached by Barry to set up the escrow and it was apparently OK with the WPA. The BCA was not involved in collecting the money. We set it up in such a way that we wanted to collect all the entry fees and all of the added money and then we wanted to make sure we kept control of the monies we had collected until it was time to pay out the top prizes. It was a bit of a struggle, but we retained control and we made sure the prizes were paid.

Thanks again for the 2nd time.

Like many agreements and settlements, there are going to be struggles.

Struggles such as language, term and date of execution in a contract. Heck, I struggle with my cell phone bill.

Glad nobody was hurt or lost a limb like the two instigators are trying to imply here.
 
Johnny Archer posted that they have CHANGED THE BREAKING RULES

Johnny Archer posted that they have CHANGED THE BREAKING RULES at this year's Mosconi Cup. As I've said in the past this is the ONLY reason the USA team has lost in the past from I could see as the Captain last year.

NO MORE CUT BREAKS MAKE THE USA TEAM FAVORITES IN MY OPINION .... If you can find someone to bet this year and give YOU odds you better take them NOW.....the odds will change as it gets closer to the tournament day.

Johnny Archer (Face Book Page)

October 21 via mobile

The oddsmakers have come out with the line on The Mosconi Cup. They have Europe a 7-4 favorite. I don't think Europe is favored. Especially with the new break rule this year. We will be using a 4 inch wide break box in the center of the table and the 9 will be racked on the spot. We will have a gentleman's agreement to break the balls head on. I dont think we are underdogs. DO YOU???
 
In 2011, the ABP got involved and got Barry to agree to escrow the prize money. The BCA was involved in setting up the accounts and collecting the money. I believe they gave it all to Barry during the week of the event. I thought that was a weakness in the setup, but I was not involved in that aspect. I think everyone was paid fairly well.

In 2012, the ABP was not involved in making sure the money was escrowed. I believe the WPA told Barry and others that if the ABP was involved, they would pull their sanctioning. I am not sure if the BCA was collecting the money that year, but we all know what happened when it came time to pay.

In 2013, the ABP was approached by Barry to set up the escrow and it was apparently OK with the WPA. The BCA was not involved in collecting the money. We set it up in such a way that we wanted to collect all the entry fees and all of the added money and then we wanted to make sure we kept control of the monies we had collected until it was time to pay out the top prizes. It was a bit of a struggle, but we retained control and we made sure the prizes were paid.

Tap Tap Tap. Bottom line here - $135,000 total purse. Barry paid out 30K in cash to the lower finishers. Art and Johnny paid the remaining 105K to everyone else after the smoke cleared! I'm officially done with this thread!
 
Johnny Archer posted that they have CHANGED THE BREAKING RULES at this year's Mosconi Cup. As I've said in the past this is the ONLY reason the USA team has lost in the past from I could see as the Captain last year.

NO MORE CUT BREAKS MAKE THE USA TEAM FAVORITES IN MY OPINION .... If you can find someone to bet this year and give YOU odds you better take them NOW.....the odds will change as it gets closer to the tournament day.

Johnny Archer (Face Book Page)

October 21 via mobile

The oddsmakers have come out with the line on The Mosconi Cup. They have Europe a 7-4 favorite. I don't think Europe is favored. Especially with the new break rule this year. We will be using a 4 inch wide break box in the center of the table and the 9 will be racked on the spot. We will have a gentleman's agreement to break the balls head on. I dont think we are underdogs. DO YOU???

I think you're in the wrong thread, C.J. :grin-square:
 
No one is disputing the earned money was paid out. There was something that happened before the checks were dispensed that was completely reprehensible. The money was only paid after Johnny had to spit blood and force Barry to pay. Johnny should share those events publically.

If you know what exactly happened, speak up! Why remain silent and why is it only Johnny's business to speak-up?

Why are you protecting Barry by remaining silent? (I know you're not intending that, but I'm making a point)

Speak up and as long as it's truth -- let the chips fall as they may. If you know for a fact shit went south, why the ho-hum silence?

Between you and Jay, I've never read posts that were littered with puffing, conjecture or baloney. Within our community, you're both well respected. Therefore, it's up to you, Jay, Johnny and whoever else knows what happened on a factual basis to speak up. I know you will because it's the right thing to do.
 
Dennis is being diplomatic, to say the least.

Now, for those that said "move along, nothing to see here, this is the 2nd confirmation of an incident that I first brought to light. Jay was second. Dennis the 3rd.

Whether Johnny feels compelled to share publicly, what I now have since confirmed that MANY people know, we'll have to wait and see. Eventually, like I said, sooner or later, the details will come out. IMO, it'll be better for Johnny if he is the one to release them.

Give up.

If they were being diplomatic then you should get the hint to stop trying. You are not doing them any favors by telling them to admit to something.

They probably want you to keep your mouth shut.
 
Stevie Moore won a qualifier this year, I think he said it was in NC.

That is great news! Cool! :)

Roberta, that is a really great photo of you and Rodney, but what is it with these new hairdos that that guys are sporting with that point on the top of their heads?

They look like the Gerber Baby. :grin-square:
 

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Tap Tap Tap. Bottom line here - $135,000 total purse. Barry paid out 30K in cash to the lower finishers. Art and Johnny paid the remaining 105K to everyone else after the smoke cleared! I'm officially done with this thread!

You really should leave this.

Your true colors are showing.
 
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