You're cute! :rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
I wouldn't want to put the cuemaker in a pickle with a Stop Work Order. :grin:
Explain This to Me...
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You're cute! :rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
I wouldn't want to put the cuemaker in a pickle with a Stop Work Order. :grin:
What if I make it worth your while...
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Wouldn't the only way to settle this. Is to have a best cue contest. List pictures of your cues but not the cue maker. See who wins. I don't think there are any cue makers saying the have the best playing cue. Maybe have catergories by amount of points or something. The winner has to reveal how much their cue cost. Then we can see if the price or wait was worth it. I know some people can ID a cue by rings or whatever but most of us can't.
I have to agree with quite a few of the others. Industries that follow the cue maker ind.
Exotic Cars
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Designer fashion goods
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ART<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<the big one.
In my mind your aren't buying a cue anymore. You're buying art. You can pay millions for Picaso, you can pay hundreds for a local artist, you can pay $5 for a mass produced print at the goodwill, OR you can invest in equipment and make your own. At the end of the day, it's what floats YOUR boat that make you spend YOUR money, and YOUR time, to get it.
I know people that will wait years and spend MILLIONS to have a certain piece of art. Doesn't mean anything to me. I've seen guys wait for years to buy a certain car, and spend well north of $30k, $40k, even $50k on something that needs a full frame off restoration. Doesn't make sence to me, but it does to them.
All the best,
Exotic Cars
Classic Cars
Designer fashion goods
watches
ART<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<the big one.
In my mind your aren't buying a cue anymore. You're buying art. You can pay millions for Picaso, you can pay hundreds for a local artist, you can pay $5 for a mass produced print at the goodwill, OR you can invest in equipment and make your own. At the end of the day, it's what floats YOUR boat that make you spend YOUR money, and YOUR time, to get it.
I know people that will wait years and spend MILLIONS to have a certain piece of art. Doesn't mean anything to me. I've seen guys wait for years to buy a certain car, and spend well north of $30k, $40k, even $50k on something that needs a full frame off restoration. Doesn't make sence to me, but it does to them.
All the best,
As long as the cue maker is 'in demand', it will never change. They will ALWAYS have the control. They will ALWAYS be in charge. Despite the recent threads about John Showman and his business practices, nothing will change. John is known for making an exceptional playing cue. And because they are 'rare', there will ALWAYS be value.
When you talk about some of these cuemakers, people aren't buying them because they want the best playing cue on the market. Hell. There are a TON of high-end collectors who can't run out of a burning building never the less run 9-10 straight balls. They buy because there is value. There is cache. There is envy in the eyes of others. Having one of these cues means you're part of an elite club that countless others want to be a part of. And in a LOT of cases, it means that you can turn your $2,000 into $4,000 or more just by flipping the cue. THAT is why people will jump through hoops, wait 5-10 years, pay price increases, etc..
When you talk about some of these cuemakers, people aren't buying them because they want the best playing cue on the market. Hell. There are a TON of high-end collectors who can't run out of a burning building never the less run 9-10 straight balls. They buy because there is value. There is cache. There is envy in the eyes of others. Having one of these cues means you're part of an elite club that countless others want to be a part of. And in a LOT of cases, it means that you can turn your $2,000 into $4,000 or more just by flipping the cue. THAT is why people will jump through hoops, wait 5-10 years, pay price increases, etc..
That was kind of my point when someone decided to tell me to get over myself....LOL There's a reason why some of us in this industry are in such high demand, and the reason is that we provide something that it seems like no one else is providing, or able to provide...which is what causes the high demand...and the waiting list. Anytime the waiting list is longer than the ability to provide the service, the list can increase or shrink by the numbers, but the person providing the service is still never going to see the end of the waiting list, because as some drop off...others jump on board, nothing is going to ever change that, that's just how it is when the customers create the demand
I wish I could provide the service I do to all the customers on my waiting list, as I'm sure the cue makers do as well. But, bottom line is it'll never effect me when someone puts me on their..."I'll NEVER hire that guy to work on MY pool table" list.
And as long as "Dennis" cues are in such high demand, he's not going to jump through hoops to send them out the door any faster than he already does, and maintain the same quality of work that he's known for building his cues with.
This industry is broke down into 2 catagories, the BEST...and all the OTHERS
Customers are also broke down into 2 catagories, those who are willing to pay and wait.....and all those that are not.
Glen
I take it you have never ordered a fully custom hand built high end anything outside of pool?
Get back to me when you've received your first one off custom Guitar, Hot Rod, Hand Gun, Chopper/Motorcycle, Oil Painting, Sculpture.........
Oh yeah, and I'd love to hear about the response to your custom one off custom order from any major manufacturer, of your choice.
Of course its all supply and demand. Let's take Searing for example. Dennis is willing to hand you a cue and charge you $3,500 that he full well knows you can flip for $6,000. You can read anything into that you want, but the fact is, Dennis does that because of the way Dennis thinks, and at the end of the day, that's what important to Dennis.
Its not the flipper that is responsible for that $2500 delta, its the market. If it was on the flipper, they'd all be buying (just to pick one) Jerry R's for $1200 and flipping them for $3500, but the market just isn't there.
Searing prices his cues where he does for his own reasons.
To suggest it is somehow the cue-maker's "fault" that he has a 5 year or 10 year or lifetime waiting list is silly. if Dennis builds 12 cues a year and has 120 people that want to order, well there you are. Every solution you may come up to for this "problem" would be your solution, not his.
Barry ditto.
I know Dennis used to (and still might for all I know) ask his buyer to promise him not to flip his cue, but that taking responsibility for your cue's future after you have sold it comes with its own set of heartaches.
Obviously for these craftsman to sell their cues involves a certain amount of business, and some cue makers are better businessmen than others. If speed and business sense are what is important to you as a buyer, then you should find a cue makers that represents those strengths. A buyer that goes to a cue maker that is almost completely dedicated to the art of making cues and then demands that that cue maker respect some businessman code of ethics, that buyer set himself up for disappointment from the word go.
Thanks
Kevin
Its not the flipper that is responsible for that $2500 delta, its the market. If it was on the flipper, they'd all be buying (just to pick one) Jerry R's for $1200 and flipping them for $3500, but the market just isn't there.
Searing prices his cues where he does for his own reasons.
To suggest it is somehow the cue-maker's "fault" that he has a 5 year or 10 year or lifetime waiting list is silly. if Dennis builds 12 cues a year and has 120 people that want to order, well there you are. Every solution you may come up to for this "problem" would be your solution, not his.
Barry ditto.
I know Dennis used to (and still might for all I know) ask his buyer to promise him not to flip his cue, but that taking responsibility for your cue's future after you have sold it comes with its own set of heartaches.
Obviously for these craftsman to sell their cues involves a certain amount of business, and some cue makers are better businessmen than others. If speed and business sense are what is important to you as a buyer, then you should find a cue makers that represents those strengths. A buyer that goes to a cue maker that is almost completely dedicated to the art of making cues and then demands that that cue maker respect some businessman code of ethics, that buyer set himself up for disappointment from the word go.
Thanks
Kevin
That was kind of my point when someone decided to tell me to get over myself....LOL There's a reason why some of us in this industry are in such high demand, and the reason is that we provide something that it seems like no one else is providing, or able to provide...which is what causes the high demand...and the waiting list. Anytime the waiting list is longer than the ability to provide the service, the list can increase or shrink by the numbers, but the person providing the service is still never going to see the end of the waiting list, because as some drop off...others jump on board, nothing is going to ever change that, that's just how it is when the customers create the demand
I wish I could provide the service I do to all the customers on my waiting list, as I'm sure the cue makers do as well. But, bottom line is it'll never effect me when someone puts me on their..."I'll NEVER hire that guy to work on MY pool table" list.
And as long as "Dennis" cues are in such high demand, he's not going to jump through hoops to send them out the door any faster than he already does, and maintain the same quality of work that he's known for building his cues with.
This industry is broke down into 2 catagories, the BEST...and all the OTHERS
Customers are also broke down into 2 catagories, those who are willing to pay and wait.....and all those that are not.
Glen
Glen
You are under-priced for what you provide. I wish i could figure out a way to flip your services.
Kevin
I love it when a f*cking hippie try's to tell me to "use my noodle" and how I should spend my money.
I guess that's pretty typical for the OP though.
I guess that's pretty typical for the OP though.
I like hippie chicks.
Nothing wrong with flowers in the hair.
Bell bottom hip huggers.
Bright happy smiles.
Peasant blouses with no bra.
Free love
I like hippie chicks.
Kevin
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I think it's true. You can't tell people how to spend their money or what to collect. Whether we think it's funny or not. It's not our place. Now letting others know what to be weary of when buying a custom cue. That's good info. Many times that info is one sided. You also don't know if that bad experience was 1 out of a ten, hundred or a thousand. I would imagine some customer's create their own issues. While others received bad service.
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If you want to see Lisa in a shirt with no bra and tight pants...... well....... have fun with that.
I'd rather see her dressed that way than you dressed that way.
So there's that.
Sorry I thought we (I was) were talking about hippie chicks in general. My bad for not knowing you were referring to Lisa personally.
Kevin
Probably why I would hesitate to give a 65 year old cue maker a deposit and go on his 8 year waiting list.
Because even at 55, I am an impetuous young boy. If I want something, I want it now, if I want to do something, I want to do it now. I dislike waiting.
I have been patient and waited my turn all my life.
Now that I am getting older and can afford to have what I want and do what I wish, (within reason), I see no reason to wait for things that I may not get if I wait any longer.
I would find a used cue or a reasonable facsimile. I have played the game of pool (trying more seriously) for over 20 years, league and such. By now I have a pretty good handle on where my game is at, and I know that an 8 year wait cue for 3 to whatever K, probably isn't going to make my game any better proportionately that would make that kind of money or time worth my while.
I have a small collection of cues that makes me happy. I am currently using an EBay Meucci ($180) and another Ebay cue (PR Chinese) that I redid and plays very well. Beyond just holding a Balabushka someday, I have no real desire to own an expensive cue that I know will make absolutely no difference in my game.
At one point depending on the seller, I was considering purchasing one of his Balabushkas. Seeing that our one pool hall closed its doors and I would have to take it to the bar to play, I doubt that will happen now.
And as a side note. after spending close to 12 K or more on 3 lathes and related tools, jigs and Doo Dads, including a nice pile of sleeping wood, if I can't make my own cue by now, something is wrong. Besides, I can be a procrastinator at times and have just realized that even with that outlay, I have put myself on my very own wait list. Its sitting at approx 4 years at the moment.
I usually go to the Dungeon when my Wife has peed me off for some reason. Lately she hasn't done that so haven't seen the shop for a bit.
The repair Biz has been a bit slow this league season and I haven't been chasing the Biz like I usually do. Maybe, I'm just not into the Biz any more like I used to be.
Phat Boy impression off.
So there, Peanut Butter and Jam.
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Not trying to tell anyone how to spend their money. If you subscribe to the "beat me, whip me, write me bad checks' sector of consumerism, knock yourself out!
You don't even know me...so where is that coming from? I am not attacking anyone personally, so why do you feel that it's okay for you to do so? And for the record...I do a-ok with the suitors.