Ferrule tenon

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I was thinking of ordering some 5/16" dowels to replace the ferrule tenon on shafts. What is the best wood to use if I am going to thread with a compression die to get the best threads and hold up to the abuse of a pool cue? I realize a compression die is not the best but that is all I am set up for right now.

Thanks,

Eric
 
josie said:
I was thinking of ordering some 5/16" dowels to replace the ferrule tenon on shafts. What is the best wood to use if I am going to thread with a compression die to get the best threads and hold up to the abuse of a pool cue? I realize a compression die is not the best but that is all I am set up for right now.

Thanks,

Eric
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I would think if you are set up to replace a tip you can turn your own tenons. Hard rock Maple is the only choice unless you are repairing a Purpleheart, Lyptus, or Ash shaft.
 
That's what reject shaft blanks are for! I'm sure if you asked, someone would send you a couple. Most cuemakers will have some laying around!
 
Sheldon said:
That's what reject shaft blanks are for! I'm sure if you asked, someone would send you a couple. Most cuemakers will have some laying around!
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I should have asked the question better. I have old shafts and I can turn down my own tenon. I was wondering when replacing a tenon if there is a better wood to use for threading with a comprssion die. I was guessing maybe a pupleheart or something harder than maple. Which would be best?

Thanks
 
josie said:
I was thinking of ordering some 5/16" dowels to replace the ferrule tenon on shafts. What is the best wood to use if I am going to thread with a compression die to get the best threads and hold up to the abuse of a pool cue? I realize a compression die is not the best but that is all I am set up for right now.

Thanks,

Eric
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edit> disregard, saw your post right above me


atlas has packs of ten
http://www.cuestik.com/store/product.asp?DEPARTMENT_ID=90&ITEM_ID=5761

i make them out of maple and purpleheart
 
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Rockler, Woodcraft and Mcfadden-Dale sell maple, oak and pine dowels.
I get them in different sizes.
They come hande for those anal about tap clearance holes. I fill that void as much as I can. $15 per small tube of high-grade epoxy is too expensive to fill voids.
 
josie said:
I should have asked the question better. I have old shafts and I can turn down my own tenon. I was wondering when replacing a tenon if there is a better wood to use for threading with a comprssion die. I was guessing maybe a pupleheart or something harder than maple. Which would be best?

Thanks
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I think i understand, basically you mean using a compression die on maple really blows, whats a better wood choice for compression dies in lieu of live threading? Theoretically anything that will machine nicer, will be heavier, thus increasing deflection....try soaking the hell out of the maple with thin cyno. Who says you have to thread your ferrule tenon anyway?
 
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LGSM3 said:
I think i understand, basically you mean using a compression die on maple really blows, whats a better wood choice for compression dies in lieu of live threading? Theoretically anything that will machine nicer, will be heavier, thus increasing deflection....try soaking the hell out of the maple with thin cyno. Who says you have to thread your ferrule tenon anyway?
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do it the reverse of what you would do to a wood thread for say the radial or 3/8x10 if its a little loose you can put a few drops of CA spin the shaft and then tap.....repeat as necessary to attain the fit you want.

If you wanted to use a compression die or thats all your means allow then you could make the tennon about 5thousandths undersized and put a few coats of CA on it......let it dry, thread it and add another layer of CA and rethread just as you would that shaft insert.

If it will work on a shaft insert I don't see why it wouldn't work on a tennon. Give it a try see how it goes on a scrap piece.

-Grey Ghost-
 
josie said:
I should have asked the question better. I have old shafts and I can turn down my own tenon. I was wondering when replacing a tenon if there is a better wood to use for threading with a comprssion die. I was guessing maybe a pupleheart or something harder than maple. Which would be best?

Thanks
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Purpleheart is worse.
Coat the tenon with thin CA as mentioned.
Then coat with wax before threading.
 
I get tenons from junk or warped shafts, old bar cues that are given to me, cutoffs, etc. I've never bought any premade tenons, but they can be purchased as already mentioned.

As far as threading, I pretty much do the same as the others with the ca, when that is needed, and I use the wax. One other thing, When I'm turning a tenon to size, I do not hard cut, on the last few cuts I do really thin passes to get to final size. I have also sanded the last part to size. Regardless of how I get there the main thing is I want a surface that is burnished looking, In fact I sometimes even try to burnish the tenon before wax & threading. The smoother the surface the better the threads turn out for Me.

Greg
 
josie said:
Have you tried the G10 in this application? YES, I have also experimented with other resins and plastics How did it work? I like it... But I usually use wood (maple .. it's Cheap and readily available). Does it effect the hit?Yes, everything that you do to the shaft effects Hit Thanks everyone for the tips.
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It's just a idea.... something else to look into!!:thumbup:
 
josie said:
I was thinking of ordering some 5/16" dowels to replace the ferrule tenon on shafts. What is the best wood to use if I am going to thread with a compression die to get the best threads and hold up to the abuse of a pool cue? I realize a compression die is not the best but that is all I am set up for right now.

Thanks,

Eric
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Eric, I normally turn mine out of old shafts that can't be used any longer. This way they are still good for something, why waste another tree!!

JIMO
 
A question for you---Why the ca before threading? Does it strengthen the tenon or just make it easier to thread?

Thanks

Joe
 
LGSM3 said:
I think i understand, basically you mean using a compression die on maple really blows, whats a better wood choice for compression dies in lieu of live threading? Theoretically anything that will machine nicer, will be heavier, thus increasing deflection....try soaking the hell out of the maple with thin cyno. Who says you have to thread your ferrule tenon anyway?
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Tap, tap and another big tap!!!
 
If I am replacing a threaded ferrule, I put a threaded ferrule on it.

On new cues I just use a tube type ferrule. They won't fall off.

I thread a phenolic combo ferrule/tip break tip.

CA will harden a tenon and you get a little better thread. It's not a machine bolt and it doesn't need to look like one. Wax when threading does interfere with epoxy adhesion but they still don't fall off....

Kim
 
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