Filler beats Shane 9-0

DCC with the wider break box which enables making the wing ball means Filler can strive and achieve this specific layout after the break repeatedly.

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I clipped together all his breaks in his match with Alex. You can see he screws it up a bit at the beginning. Sometimes by hitting it wrong. Sometimes by catching a kiss he didn’t anticipate. But by the end of the match he was getting it dialed in. It’s what happens when you don’t use the Matchroom break box. Matches get decided by who can repeat that layout the most number of times.

 
If I'm betting my money.
Only way I'll play.

Loser racks winner breaks.

When you lose a rack, you spend TIME making sure they are tight and right and NO Wing Balls go into the corners, and the head ball is ''somewhere'' on the paper.
It's your job to stop the ball leakage.

I'd NEVER gamble on my money a game of 9 ball and let my opponent rack/EVER.
 
skogstokig said:
kaci did it to alex once.
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I've told it here before...

There's a pretty well known east coast player that I played a lot in events and it was usually within <4 game spread at the end.

Except when we had 2 sets against each other in a row- not same day- that saw one of us get blanked and the the other set, loser got to 1.

I don't remember much of yesterday but that has stuck with me.

Point being, I agree with what was said earlier about it being bound to happen, statistically.

Sometimes you're the hammer, sometimes you're the nail.
 
Island Drive said:
If I'm betting my money.
Only way I'll play.

Loser racks winner breaks.

When you lose a rack, you spend TIME making sure they are tight and right and NO Wing Balls go into the corners, and the head ball is ''somewhere'' on the paper.
It's your job to stop the ball leakage.

I'd NEVER gamble on my money a game of 9 ball and let my opponent rack/EVER.
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Making sure no wing balls go in is going to require rack manipulation, Mr cheaty-pants.
 
Island Drive said:
If I'm betting my money.
Only way I'll play.

Loser racks winner breaks.

When you lose a rack, you spend TIME making sure they are tight and right and NO Wing Balls go into the corners, and the head ball is ''somewhere'' on the paper.
It's your job to stop the ball leakage.

I'd NEVER gamble on my money a game of 9 ball and let my opponent rack/EVER.
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Apparently you don't understand how templates work
 
Black-Balled said:
I've told it here before...

There's a pretty well known east coast player that I played a lot in events and it was usually within <4 game spread at the end.

Except when we had 2 sets against each other in a row- not same day- that saw one of us get blanked and the the other set, loser got to 1.

I don't remember much of yesterday but that has stuck with me.

Point being, I agree with what was said earlier about it being bound to happen, statistically.

Sometimes you're the hammer, sometimes you're the nail.
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Getting blanked is one thing, running out the set is another. 9 - 0 happens all the time, somebody running out the set basically never happens
 
skogstokig said:
wasn't really a corey moment. the breakbox was wide, the pockets softer than most big events on the tour, so filler could control whitey consistently.
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Most of the racks I tried to watch it looked like the wing ball was going in untouched and the cue ball went to it's spot untouched too. You could diagram where the one and cue ball were going within a few inches most breaks. Might or might not change things depending on if one or both players have the rack wired but alternating breaks seems like the best option.

It wouldn't help this situation but I have wanted to see how a tournament would go with a hybrid break rule. Winner breaks but then go to alternating break after anyone wins three racks in a row. Allows a few racks to be strung but doesn't allow someone with a wired rack to run a set.

Talking about the templates, not glued down notebook reinforcements, while they almost insure a tight rack, they can be twisted or moved a little forward and back. Nothing says they can't be manipulated about as much as a triangle. I don't think cheating is a problem at the major pro events, just a reminder that templates don't solve all problems. Sometimes balls still don't freeze and have to be moved around too.

Another thing I would at least like to see tried, a template that deliberately spaces the balls slightly apart, maybe 1/8" or 3/16" with all gaps being equal in a template.

I don't know the answer but wired racks need to go away, somehow. Somebody mentioned the first shot being a pushout, that might work also. I would at least like to see it tried.

Break and runs should be maybe 10%-15%. It isn't even exciting for spectators to see break and runs over and over.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
Most of the racks I tried to watch it looked like the wing ball was going in untouched and the cue ball went to it's spot untouched too. You could diagram where the one and cue ball were going within a few inches most breaks. Might or might not change things depending on if one or both players have the rack wired but alternating breaks seems like the best option.

It wouldn't help this situation but I have wanted to see how a tournament would go with a hybrid break rule. Winner breaks but then go to alternating break after anyone wins three racks in a row. Allows a few racks to be strung but doesn't allow someone with a wired rack to run a set.

Talking about the templates, not glued down notebook reinforcements, while they almost insure a tight rack, they can be twisted or moved a little forward and back. Nothing says they can't be manipulated about as much as a triangle. I don't think cheating is a problem at the major pro events, just a reminder that templates don't solve all problems. Sometimes balls still don't freeze and have to be moved around too.

Another thing I would at least like to see tried, a template that deliberately spaces the balls slightly apart, maybe 1/8" or 3/16" with all gaps being equal in a template.

I don't know the answer but wired racks need to go away, somehow. Somebody mentioned the first shot being a pushout, that might work also. I would at least like to see it tried.

Break and runs should be maybe 10%-15%. It isn't even exciting for spectators to see break and runs over and over.

Hu
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The outsville rack was known to be a POS a few years back, wonder if that has been fixed
 
Island Drive said:
If I'm betting my money.
Only way I'll play.

Loser racks winner breaks.

When you lose a rack, you spend TIME making sure they are tight and right and NO Wing Balls go into the corners, and the head ball is ''somewhere'' on the paper.
It's your job to stop the ball leakage.

I'd NEVER gamble on my money a game of 9 ball and let my opponent rack/EVER.
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I love to slug rack after I lose.

Did I just say that?

Oops🤐

Can’t help myself, I’m old school and prefer this set up as well.

Fatboy<———promise I won’t slug ya…..🫣
 
ShootingArts said:
Most of the racks I tried to watch it looked like the wing ball was going in untouched and the cue ball went to it's spot untouched too. You could diagram where the one and cue ball were going within a few inches most breaks. Might or might not change things depending on if one or both players have the rack wired but alternating breaks seems like the best option.

It wouldn't help this situation but I have wanted to see how a tournament would go with a hybrid break rule. Winner breaks but then go to alternating break after anyone wins three racks in a row. Allows a few racks to be strung but doesn't allow someone with a wired rack to run a set.

Talking about the templates, not glued down notebook reinforcements, while they almost insure a tight rack, they can be twisted or moved a little forward and back. Nothing says they can't be manipulated about as much as a triangle. I don't think cheating is a problem at the major pro events, just a reminder that templates don't solve all problems. Sometimes balls still don't freeze and have to be moved around too.

Another thing I would at least like to see tried, a template that deliberately spaces the balls slightly apart, maybe 1/8" or 3/16" with all gaps being equal in a template.

I don't know the answer but wired racks need to go away, somehow. Somebody mentioned the first shot being a pushout, that might work also. I would at least like to see it tried.

Break and runs should be maybe 10%-15%. It isn't even exciting for spectators to see break and runs over and over.

Hu
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Outsville did make a "slug rack" 9ball template at one time. It was done as a joke, but was an actual product. I'm not sure how big the gaps were.
 
9andout said:
Outsville did make a "slug rack" 9ball template at one time. It was done as a joke, but was an actual product. I'm not sure how big the gaps were.
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Back in 2007 or 2008 at the BCA trade show Johnny Archer was doing a press interview about break cue or some product (I can’t recall exactly what it was) he had about 4 people he was talking to during the interview. One had a recording device and they weee all taking notes, no video back then-I wish I had video of this.

So the interview is going in full swing, I’m at the other end of the table minding my own biz, Johnny says here I’ll show you. I offered to rack the balls for him. I just couldn’t help myself, I acted like I was giving him the best rack ever. It was possibly the greatest slug rack I ever came with. He cranks up his break 100mph BAM!!! Crushes them and the balls barely moved out of the rack. Bingo!

Johnny looked at the dead rack and said “I’m not sure about that” as everyone expected a great break. He just kept on and I re racked the balls good for the next one.

If you were there it was funny as hell. I came with a perfect slug when I wanted to

Fun memories
 
JusticeNJ said:
Remember when you had to watch like a cumulative 20 minutes throughout a set of guys screwing with the rack before anyone would agree to break the balls. I don't miss that.
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I still found lots of the earlier matches way too slow-paced.

I'm sure I play like that too sometimes but I don't have to watch me. Doh
 
the break can determine a decent length race in pro level games. other wise it really doesnt effect the set with lesser palyers.

pros are so deficient in their lags its a joke, being on how important to get first break in nine ball or one pocket.

with current equipment and conditions nine ball is close to being a joke for the top most players.
 
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