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Vahmurka

Vahmurka

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That's the position I put myself into a couple of days ago. Tried to fight the rack though I noticed the cue ball will hit the red 3 below rather than above, thus driving the whitey toward the short rail. I should have played follow then, right? But instead I decided to draw, hoping to apply enough to drag the cue ball off the stack.
Okay, here is the result, that's why my high run for the year is 15 and not more.
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As I was trying to make a high run I was forced to find a ball to pocket. And I did found one. I failed to pocket it though, but I thought it could be interesting to see if any other player can find the same solution.
 
3-11-4 in the corner combo
11 off the 6 cross side bank
hard to tell if any of these have a chance with out being there.
 
jump shot combination 5-12 or combination 3-10 up table.

Not a lot of good options there.
 
Not a whole lot of good options. Being a dumb as I am, I'd probably do the 5-12 combo without the jump shot, just try to split the distance between the 3 and 9 and put enough top spin to hit the 5. Might even have a chance at the 3-10 combo at the same time.
 
I would kick into the 5-12 combo. It's a little hard to see the angle, but I'd go to the long rail for the 9-5-12 combo if it goes, or up to the short rail for the 3-5-12 combo if you need to hit the other side of the 5 to throw the 12 into the pocket.

I'd never shoot the uptable kick in a real game. Might kick to the long rail in a game if it were dead.

Edit: Here's an even crazier shot: Play the 3 into the 11, 11 off the 6, and bank the 11 two rails into the upper side pocket (long rail-long rail). It looks like the 7 ball blocks the one-rail bank to the bottom side pocket, but you just may be able to bank it short and have it double back to the top side pocket. It's a real flier under good conditions and here since the cue ball is so close to the 3 you'd have a hard time getting sufficient power on the shot.

Edit #2: After looking more closely at the photo instead of the Cuetable diagram, there is a pretty big gap between the 5 and the 12. Looks like you have the ability to alter the direction of the 12 using cut instead of throw. Therefore, I kick into the long rail and play the 9-5-12 combo, trying to hit the bottom of the 5 to cut the 12 towards the pocket. That's my shot and I'm sticking to it.
 
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LOL.... Guess the Shot

High Follow on the cue ball shooting between the 3 ball & the 9 ball contacting the 5 ball on the right side throwing the 12 in the corner.
 
The 5-12 combo as shown does not get to the pocket with throw. The balls are separated by about 3/8ths of an inch. It might be possible to cut the 5-12 but it would be much thinner than a half-ball hit on the 12.

(To get the lines and separations of the balls I find it helpful to download the image and blow it up to full screen.)

One other possible shot is to play the cue ball off the bottom cushion to contact the 9 half-ball on the left side to make the 15 with a carom. The following shot is probably going to be tough.

Often when looking for "last gasp" shots its important to choose one that is likely to leave shots. That makes combinations at high speed a good option.
 
LOL.... you are right Bob. There is too much space between the 5 & the 12 ball for a throw shot. Now that I am looking at it again. There might be enough separation to contact the 5 on the left to make the 12. For some reason, I am stuck on that combo. OR to bank the cue ball off the rail into the 9 ball into that combo. That is most likely the best way to get to that combo of the 12 ball.
 
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wow, great to see so many opinions! Apparently "what's the shot" threads are pretty entertaining for us 14.1 enthusiasts.

I should state that I added a cuetable layout for better view of how the balls connect, and I paid close attention to the combo chosen by me ;) Other balls must be set not that precise. But where the balls are not dead to the pocket, means they are not, and vice versa.
That said, for instance, 5-12 is a bit off. 4 is blocked by 14.

9-13: As soon as I read that suggestion I tried to think of a reason why I totally overlooked it. After giving it a thought, I know the answer: I'm left-handed :D So I didn't even look at it, as there is no way to reach the shot for me. For a right-handed player, this shot may well be better than my selection.

3-11-4: totally impossible, 11 does not go to 4, 4 does not have a pocket.

Jump at 5-12: first, I thought we don't jump in 14.1, do we? Been discussed it's kind of against the nature of the game. Okay, even if we won't give a damn about etiquette, cue ball is almost frozen to the 9, I can't imagine even Larry Nevel jumping over it with an EZ Jumper, LOL. Due to 3 and 9 proximity there is no way to shoot a normal follow shot either.

Bob Jewett said:
10-3-9 combo
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BINGO!!! My question was whether there is a player who would pick same shot as I did, so here we go, I see I'm not insane :) Bob, very good you spotted the line of three balls.
Actually as soon as I noticed 10-3-9 are wired to the corner, I also noticed they are close to a natural 3-rail kick path. The task was to hit the 10 full - which I failed to accomplish. I hit the 10 but did it too thin, from the side of blue 2.
That's how it was meant to be:
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2 rails is probably more reliable - or not? With cue ball in this position I can't apply what I know about 5-in-the-corner system which I read about in Bob Byrne's book.
 
I'd always play safe here, but if I'm not allowed to play a safety here, I'd try to carom the nine off the one to make the fifteen in the corner. Diagram makes t tough to tell whether this shot is even available. Another possible shot is the three - ten combo in the top left corner.
 
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Great

Great shot Vahmurka..... very good my friend. Congrats to Bob.
We have had two 'Guess the Shots" so far and the two winners are both Bob's
Bob J. & Bob M. (Wigglybridge).
 
Vahmurka said:
wow, great to see so many opinions! Apparently "what's the shot" threads are pretty entertaining for us 14.1 enthusiasts.

I should state that I added a cuetable layout for better view of how the balls connect, and I paid close attention to the combo chosen by me ;) Other balls must be set not that precise. But where the balls are not dead to the pocket, means they are not, and vice versa.
That said, for instance, 5-12 is a bit off. 4 is blocked by 14.

9-13: As soon as I read that suggestion I tried to think of a reason why I totally overlooked it. After giving it a thought, I know the answer: I'm left-handed :D So I didn't even look at it, as there is no way to reach the shot for me. For a right-handed player, this shot may well be better than my selection.

3-11-4: totally impossible, 11 does not go to 4, 4 does not have a pocket.

Jump at 5-12: first, I thought we don't jump in 14.1, do we? Been discussed it's kind of against the nature of the game. Okay, even if we won't give a damn about etiquette, cue ball is almost frozen to the 9, I can't imagine even Larry Nevel jumping over it with an EZ Jumper, LOL. Due to 3 and 9 proximity there is no way to shoot a normal follow shot either.

BINGO!!! My question was whether there is a player who would pick same shot as I did, so here we go, I see I'm not insane :) Bob, very good you spotted the line of three balls.
Actually as soon as I noticed 10-3-9 are wired to the corner, I also noticed they are close to a natural 3-rail kick path. The task was to hit the 10 full - which I failed to accomplish. I hit the 10 but did it too thin, from the side of blue 2.
That's how it was meant to be:
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2 rails is probably more reliable - or not? With cue ball in this position I can't apply what I know about 5-in-the-corner system which I read about in Bob Byrne's book.
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sjm said:
I'd always play safe here, but if I'm not allowed to play a safety here, I'd try to carom the nine off the one to make the fifteen in the corner. Diagram makes t tough to tell whether this shot is even available. Another possible shot is the three - ten combo in the top left corner.
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Thats the exact shot i looked at Stu !!!

I would never ever try to kick at the stack 3 rails to try to make that combo. Especially since they werent frozen and wired into the pocket....lol

-Steve
 
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Bank whitey into the 15, from there cut the 9 into the opposite corner with high left English to break up the traffic jam. Should be able to spread yourself a shot and move from there.

I'm more comfortable banking than most people I know though. Depending on the bumpers, pocket size and felt conditions.
 
desertshark said:
Bank whitey into the 15,
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Assuming you *make* the 15 (this is definitely a one pocket kick)...

desertshark said:
from there cut the 9 into the opposite corner with high left English to break up the traffic jam.
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...now, after having pocketed the 15, whitey most likely landed on the opposite side of the pack as the 9-ball. I don't think the 9 would be accessible for a cut into the head-end corner. The cue ball would have to stop dead after the kick, and not drift behind the pack.

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Should be able to spread yourself a shot and move from there.

I'm more comfortable banking than most people I know though. Depending on the bumpers, pocket size and felt conditions.
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So am I -- besides 14.1, I love one pocket and banks. But kicking at the 15 requires some deft one pocket kicking ability -- so it's a "flyer" for most 14.1 players.

But hey, I like the way you're thinking. ;)

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
Assuming you *make* the 15 (this is definitely a one pocket kick)...



...now, after having pocketed the 15, whitey most likely landed on the opposite side of the pack as the 9-ball. I don't think the 9 would be accessible for a cut into the head-end corner. The cue ball would have to stop dead after the kick, and not drift behind the pack.



So am I -- besides 14.1, I love one pocket and banks. But kicking at the 15 requires some deft one pocket kicking ability -- so it's a "flyer" for most 14.1 players.

But hey, I like the way you're thinking. ;)

-Sean
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You know what they say, everything looks better on paper lol!
I'm sure if any of us were there like the op, a different shot would have presented itself and not an easy one given the spread.
Considering we all have our comfort zone, some times getting out of that zone makes us better players.
And Sean, that kick off the rail if it would have made it, I would been one ball higher than my highest run. Which at this point isn't even through a full rack of a 14 ball break ;)
 
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