Watchez never scared to get to the bottom of things.
first report from Galveston
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Watchez never scared to get to the bottom of things.
Reyes vs Parica
Thanks for the updates ,Hu
GWC website article says 1:00 Stream will feature Efren Reyes vs Jose Parica followed by Ronnie Alcano vs Sylver Ochoa who defeated Danny
Harriman
Thanks for the updates ,Hu
GWC website article says 1:00 Stream will feature Efren Reyes vs Jose Parica followed by Ronnie Alcano vs Sylver Ochoa who defeated Danny
Harriman
John Barton
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You can if you have a car and several people to room with. Look for extended stay places and short term apartments.
I haven't stayed at the hotel more than a handful of times in the past ten years. We almost always rent condos.
They DID say that anyone who was not on the top 128 of the BCA points list could play in the amateur! Period.
When a tournament post the rules, I expect them to go by them when I arrive. In this case, I guess they expected us to just show up and hope they change it when we get there?
I would have really liked to play in an event like this, but cancelled plans when they opened the field. To change it after everyone got there was a BIG slap in my face.
Ray
could be a plus.........
I don't know if there is any added money. Unlike Joey, I'm not in the loop. I'm just another observer/participant. But looking at the One Pocket, if you have 90 players at $250 each, that makes a total of $22,500. The "guaranteed" first prize is $25,000. Without any added money, all 90 players are playing for first! It's Winner Take All!
Here is the payout schedule that they posted earlier.......of course everything is subject to change on the fly.
One Pocket Entry Fee 250.00 Players 128
128 players Total
1st $25,000.00 0 (added)
2nd $9,600.00 30%
3rd $4,800.00 15%
4th $3,200.00 10%
5th-6th $2,368.00 7.4%
7th-8th $1,600.00 5%
9th-12th $800.00 2.5%
13th-16th $400.00 1.25%
17th-24th $208.00 0.65%
Here is the payout schedule that they posted earlier.......of course everything is subject to change on the fly.
One Pocket Entry Fee 250.00 Players 128
128 players Total
1st $25,000.00 0 (added)
2nd $9,600.00 30%
3rd $4,800.00 15%
4th $3,200.00 10%
5th-6th $2,368.00 7.4%
7th-8th $1,600.00 5%
9th-12th $800.00 2.5%
13th-16th $400.00 1.25%
17th-24th $208.00 0.65%
Well, if they pay out anything like that, they will have a lot of happy pool players. According to this, they will take the entry fee money and pay down the field with it. So basically we would be playing for 25K on top and then $22,500 (actually $22,000 - 88 players) for everyone else. There will be some serious deal making near the end!
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before folks get too stirred up . . .
(Ray posted and Jay posted again while I was typing this, slow on the trigger pre coffee this morning!)
Before folks get too stirred up, I'm pretty sure that they are committed to paying an advertised first place and a percentage of the field in each event. The amount paid first and the gap between that and the rest of the field has been a bit of a concern to me from the very beginning because I have seen a huge gap between first and second in a national event that advertised a big payday for first. There were several hundred competitors that had paid a lot more than pool players do to travel that were ready for a lynching!
We will have to see how the promoters handle the purses. Ultimately that will determine the success or failure of this first event. No question that they made a mistake using just BCA standings to define amateur, that and the last minute efforts to correct it hopefully will be the biggest mess that happens here. It is ridiculous for the pro's to play in amateur events but I would have difficulty defining a pro too unless I simply said known pro's couldn't play. Then many player's status has to be defined on a player by player basis. We still have a few road dogs that aren't really professional players by tournament results but they aren't amateur weekend warriors by any stretch of the imagination either.
My thanks to you Jay, HoumaTroy, La Toolman, and others that have provided updates. So far it seems like we have a major event coming off with new promoters and at a new venue without any real disasters. Lights and tables will be known problems with known solutions next time and the whole amateur/pro issue will be better defined too I hope.
I do have to say that I think the pro's that had the rules changed on them knew damned good and well that they were getting into events that they shouldn't have been allowed into to begin with. I don't rob the local bar room banger tourneys simply because I don't want to create trouble for the people running them. The pro's signing up for the amateur events were trying to do much the same thing.
Hu
(Ray posted and Jay posted again while I was typing this, slow on the trigger pre coffee this morning!)
Before folks get too stirred up, I'm pretty sure that they are committed to paying an advertised first place and a percentage of the field in each event. The amount paid first and the gap between that and the rest of the field has been a bit of a concern to me from the very beginning because I have seen a huge gap between first and second in a national event that advertised a big payday for first. There were several hundred competitors that had paid a lot more than pool players do to travel that were ready for a lynching!
We will have to see how the promoters handle the purses. Ultimately that will determine the success or failure of this first event. No question that they made a mistake using just BCA standings to define amateur, that and the last minute efforts to correct it hopefully will be the biggest mess that happens here. It is ridiculous for the pro's to play in amateur events but I would have difficulty defining a pro too unless I simply said known pro's couldn't play. Then many player's status has to be defined on a player by player basis. We still have a few road dogs that aren't really professional players by tournament results but they aren't amateur weekend warriors by any stretch of the imagination either.
My thanks to you Jay, HoumaTroy, La Toolman, and others that have provided updates. So far it seems like we have a major event coming off with new promoters and at a new venue without any real disasters. Lights and tables will be known problems with known solutions next time and the whole amateur/pro issue will be better defined too I hope.
I do have to say that I think the pro's that had the rules changed on them knew damned good and well that they were getting into events that they shouldn't have been allowed into to begin with. I don't rob the local bar room banger tourneys simply because I don't want to create trouble for the people running them. The pro's signing up for the amateur events were trying to do much the same thing.
Hu
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Rumour has it that "pooladdict" from the forum lost 9-1 in the first match in the AMATEUR 9-ball division after the opponent ran 7 consecutive racks. lol. amateur?
ShootingArts;2008296 said:
I think there are MANY so-called "pro-caliber players" whose names don't even appear on the BCA points list today. In fact, I'm 100-percent positive about this.
This is not a good measure to determine who and who should not be in the amateur event, IMO.
This is the first time this tournament has happened, and it will be a learning process, like everything else.
Being a tournament director myself in my younger years, I know for a fact that you CANNOT and WILL NOT please everybody. Things happen that you are not prepared for, like SLOW players holding up the charts as an example.
I hope this event is a success. I am sorry I could not make it, but I am looking forward to the updates. :smile:
Keep posting guys! I am following this thread for all the info.
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I Wish I was There
I was contacted about officiating in this event, unfortunatley due to the Vegas Nationals using up some of my vacation and some recent health problems, I had to pass on this one.
I seriously believe that this will be a really good event if they do the right things and I would love to go next year.
They really need to get the criteria for non pro ironed out. I think they should have someone/group of people with real pool knowledge vetting the entries. Just because you dont have a tour card or play in enough big tourneys to get rated doesn't mean the average player can hang with you.
At most tournaments that had Amateur divisions, the TD reserved the right to change a race/move a player to a different division or deny entry to someone "Based On Known Ability"
I was contacted about officiating in this event, unfortunatley due to the Vegas Nationals using up some of my vacation and some recent health problems, I had to pass on this one.
I seriously believe that this will be a really good event if they do the right things and I would love to go next year.
They really need to get the criteria for non pro ironed out. I think they should have someone/group of people with real pool knowledge vetting the entries. Just because you dont have a tour card or play in enough big tourneys to get rated doesn't mean the average player can hang with you.
At most tournaments that had Amateur divisions, the TD reserved the right to change a race/move a player to a different division or deny entry to someone "Based On Known Ability"
Hu, I'm inclined to agree with you. So far this has all the makings of a top quality annual event. I was skeptical from the very beginning. However, I'm gradually changing my opinion.
Yesterday in Galveston, I spoke with one of the guys who's close to the major guy. He told me than Rone and the others are used to making legitimate huge real estate deals for multi millions. He said that when Rone heard that everyone was questioning the dependability of the purses, he was shocked. I don't think Rone's group fully realized that they were dealing with a group of people that have a long history of being taken advantage of by shady characters; and who are typically left in the lurch.
Of course we won't know for certain until the end of the event. But it sure looks legit to me. This has all the makings of a great annual classic event. If they make it through the first 2-3 years, it could rival the DCC in popularity.
Now for mundane news: There's been no major action, and only modest cheap action. There are 25 marquee names, along with another 30 top road dogs-- all standing around feeling each other out, and acting like they're too important to be interested...
Efren gave a decent player (name unkonwn to me) 11-8 for cheap sets. I believe Billy I. was getting 9-6, plus hit & the pick from Scott Frost. Stakes unknown. Frost had offered 10-6 to both Lil John and Danny Smith. They both turned him down!! I was surprised at Lil John. Perhaps the jack wasn't right.The Calcutta was startingly cheap! I don't think guys realized that there would be a calcutta. I think the most paid for a player was $600! And that was for ME! (kidding) I think horses will bring suitcases full of dough for next year. I'm guessing that the 9/10 ball Calcuttas will be much heavier.
Doc
Link Please
Where will the stream be? At theworldclassic.com?
Thanks-
It appears to be here.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/inside-pool-and-billiards
Where will the stream be? At theworldclassic.com?
Thanks-
It appears to be here.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/inside-pool-and-billiards
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But the point is, per the rules that were posted they were allowed to play - no matter how good they are. If they posted no top 128 BCA, then everyone else is eligible. Period. And this is not a local bar room tourney, this is suppose to be a major event. That means major minds thinking things through. If the promoters are real estate tycoons and not pool people then they should have had a group of knowledgable people advising them of what was going to happen with the rules they had set. Surely JoeyA realized what pro caliber players were not top 128 BCA.
Day two of the one pocket - Do they have payouts posted yet?
I agree with you
I agree with you that everyone not in the top 128 should be allowed to play, assuming that the people putting on the event didn't put a catch-all weasel clause in somewhere that lets them use other criteria for determining who a pro is. JAM's post reminds me that she is pretty close to an "amateur" herself. Keith could have tuned up and shown up to play amateur I suspect because I doubt he is on any rankings. How crazy would that be?
I said earlier that the promoters had fouled up when they said that anyone not in the top 128 in BCA rankings was an amateur. They should have known far before people showed up to play that this was an error and made corrections. Any last minute moves they make or if they don't make any changes, they are still wrong. They got themselves into a no-win deal in the amateur divisions. Amateur divisions are always messy though with some very strong players allowed to play and weaker ones not allowed to play. I certainly don't have all the answers but I do think that they should have had a weasel clause about known professionals and some knowledgeable people looking at the entries. I think Billy Incardona by himself could have handled the job but add Jay Helfert, Grady, and a couple of regional and international people and they should have been able to weed out most known pro's and top road players. There is always the danger of an unknown or three sneaking in, no cure for that.
As far as I know JoeyA never served as any sort of consultant or served in any official capacity for this event. He is doing some of the commentary, I don't know when that starts. I think the live stream is scheduled to start at 1:00 and I am pretty sure Joey is playing at 1:00.
As I said earlier in this thread I see the amateur status thing and payouts for second place down as the major issues at this event. I don't have the answers other than thinking that the promoters could have gotten more information out in a timely manner. Hopefully they learn and their next event is better. So far it sounds like this one is going to be pretty nice as it is!
I haven't heard anything about the payout. Seems they could post the exact One Pocket payout now and that would give us a clue about the other events.
Hu
I agree with you that everyone not in the top 128 should be allowed to play, assuming that the people putting on the event didn't put a catch-all weasel clause in somewhere that lets them use other criteria for determining who a pro is. JAM's post reminds me that she is pretty close to an "amateur" herself. Keith could have tuned up and shown up to play amateur I suspect because I doubt he is on any rankings. How crazy would that be?
I said earlier that the promoters had fouled up when they said that anyone not in the top 128 in BCA rankings was an amateur. They should have known far before people showed up to play that this was an error and made corrections. Any last minute moves they make or if they don't make any changes, they are still wrong. They got themselves into a no-win deal in the amateur divisions. Amateur divisions are always messy though with some very strong players allowed to play and weaker ones not allowed to play. I certainly don't have all the answers but I do think that they should have had a weasel clause about known professionals and some knowledgeable people looking at the entries. I think Billy Incardona by himself could have handled the job but add Jay Helfert, Grady, and a couple of regional and international people and they should have been able to weed out most known pro's and top road players. There is always the danger of an unknown or three sneaking in, no cure for that.
As far as I know JoeyA never served as any sort of consultant or served in any official capacity for this event. He is doing some of the commentary, I don't know when that starts. I think the live stream is scheduled to start at 1:00 and I am pretty sure Joey is playing at 1:00.
As I said earlier in this thread I see the amateur status thing and payouts for second place down as the major issues at this event. I don't have the answers other than thinking that the promoters could have gotten more information out in a timely manner. Hopefully they learn and their next event is better. So far it sounds like this one is going to be pretty nice as it is!
I haven't heard anything about the payout. Seems they could post the exact One Pocket payout now and that would give us a clue about the other events.
Hu