Fu***** smoking a$$ pool halls

I take it you don't drive a vehicle, or feed your kids red meat, huh?:p

Driving a vehicle isn't inherently dangerous to others and neither is red meat. In other words if I drive my car, or eat a steak there isn't a 100% chance that someone's health will suffer.
 
Lots of those who BREATHED Second Hand SMOKE wind up here!
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Everyone ends up there...
 
tolerance changed over the years

When I lived in smokey bars it rarely bothered me other than my eyes burning sometimes. After staying out of cigarette smoke almost entirely for many years a few hours in it and my sinuses are inflamed and my brochial tubes get inflamed most the time too. The only decent pool hall for an hour in any direction has smoke eaters but also low ceilings. Not too bad in the daytime but on league nights or when the young evening crowd that really makes the place money comes in I have to boogie, can't hack it. When I get home the clothes go straight in the washer and I go straight in the shower. Still smell cigarette smoke for days, it's in my lungs and sinuses, takes a long time to clear out.

Actually think that there is merit to banning alcohol, tobacco, caffiene, be consistent and if you are going to ban drugs, ban all recreational drugs. One thing though, when we drink we don't force others to drink. When we smoke we force others to inhale smoke. Never thought about it when I was young but I have to admit I kind of hate thinking that some of that smoke has already been in somebody else. I sure as hell wouldn't kiss that nasty basset over there, why should I have to breath his secondhand smoke?

Simple truth is drinking and smoking go together if people are given a choice. Put a smoking and nonsmoking bar side by side and the nonsmokers will frequent the smoking bar with their smoking friends but the smokers won't go in the nonsmoking bar with their nonsmoking friends to nearly the same extent.

Smoke eaters and tall ceilings work pretty well but they could design a lot quieter smoke eaters. The steady roar gets annoying. Guess I'm just hard to please.

I wish Louisiana would go smoke free. I know a double handful of people including myself that would stop in to play pool an hour or two a lot more often than they do now. I never stop to hit balls an hour or two, it isn't worth getting nasty and all the clean-up routine when I get home.

I respect other people's rights but I also expect them to respect mine and I believe that one person's rights end where another's begins. When smokers can figure out how to not impose on others I don't care what they do. Until then, I do think it is unfair for others to be the ones that have to give up their personal rights to allow smokers their right to smoke. Just thought of a funny: Shouldn't we be able to charge smokers with assault with a deadly weapon? Actually think that something similar, workplace safety, might be what ultimately gets smoking banned in all places of employment.

Hu
 
I respect other people's rights but I also expect them to respect mine and I believe that one person's rights end where another's begins. When smokers can figure out how to not impose on others I don't care what they do. Until then, I do think it is unfair for others to be the ones that have to give up their personal rights to allow smokers their right to smoke. Just thought of a funny: Shouldn't we be able to charge smokers with assault with a deadly weapon? Actually think that something similar, workplace safety, might be what ultimately gets smoking banned in all places of employment.

I don't smoke and hate it as well. What I disagree with here though is the idea that 'rights' come into play here at all. Where does that idea, that society has an inherent obligation to ensure that we are free from annoyance/inconvenience/whatever? I hate kids and go out to eat. Their spilled drinks (higher probability) could potentially cause me to slip. Let's ban kids in restaurants. The list of dumb examples could go on and on.

Bottom line.. I hate smoke but the only 'right' I have is to not go where the smoke is. No one is kidnapping me, carting me off to a pool hall, and secondhand chain smoking me to death. The idea that it isn't fair that I can't play pool without smoke doesn't hold water either as life/the world/the universe is not fair. No one owes me fair. If things were supposed to be fair, everyone would shoot like Reyes, run like a track star, and think like Einstein. Like smoke in places I choose to frequent, I just have to put up with the fact that I shoot like a walking wallet, run like a rock, and think at the speed of geriatric sex.

Life just sucks sometimes I guess.
 
Bottom line.. I hate smoke but the only 'right' I have is to not go where the smoke is. No one is kidnapping me, carting me off to a pool hall, and secondhand chain smoking me to death.

And nobody kidnapped any business folks, told them to plunk down their money, rent space, buy equipment, and open a pool hall in a city that is choke full of ordinances, county regulations and state laws. But they came anyway, right ? I guess they could have opened their pool room in "sticksville Montana", but not a whole lot of customers...


Life just sucks sometimes I guess.

Yep, for smokers for the next few hundred years. They had the first 200 and the non-smokers are taking the next 200, and they can have it back then... see, life is fair ;)
 
I played in a tournament once where I ended up playing on the losers side for third place but the smoke got to me. My eyes were watering so bad and I dare not touch them to make them worse. The Guys that had just finished the King of the hill match just stood and stared wondering what the hold up was.

The ventilation was terrible in the place and the had 3 smoke eaters but only one worked at the time. I didn't want to quit. It was too late to go to a store for eye drops. The guy I was to play stated he would split the 3rd 4th money down the middle If he didn't get to the hill game. I took him up on it and left in pain...a very hard drive home.

I later found out that the same guy ended up winning the tourney and it took me a few weeks to get my 4th place cash. But the pain that night reminded me of the smokehouse in my Navy training...what a burn!
 
compare a few things

I don't smoke and hate it as well. What I disagree with here though is the idea that 'rights' come into play here at all. Where does that idea, that society has an inherent obligation to ensure that we are free from annoyance/inconvenience/whatever? I hate kids and go out to eat. Their spilled drinks (higher probability) could potentially cause me to slip. Let's ban kids in restaurants. The list of dumb examples could go on and on.

Bottom line.. I hate smoke but the only 'right' I have is to not go where the smoke is. No one is kidnapping me, carting me off to a pool hall, and secondhand chain smoking me to death. The idea that it isn't fair that I can't play pool without smoke doesn't hold water either as life/the world/the universe is not fair. No one owes me fair. If things were supposed to be fair, everyone would shoot like Reyes, run like a track star, and think like Einstein. Like smoke in places I choose to frequent, I just have to put up with the fact that I shoot like a walking wallet, run like a rock, and think at the speed of geriatric sex.

Life just sucks sometimes I guess.

I can't even mow my grass too early or too late because the noise doesn't stop at my property line. No other form of hazardous fumes besides smoking is permitted either.(OK, you can pass gas but it is frowned on too!) Even something that is harmless but stinks can get you fined or shut down. Smokers enjoy a position of special privilege that is out of sync with other people. Again it simply doesn't meet the test of equal rights for all. People should be allowed to smoke, at the same time it should be the smoker's responsibility to contain the smoke. Also smokers should bear the cost of their habit. Can you imagine the screams if smokers were paid 7-15% less for doing the same job as nonsmokers? Yet those are some of the real lost production figures I have seen for smoking. Lost time for smoke breaks plus more sick days taken by smokers. Personal experience running crews I have seen a lot of smokers that waste far more time than that.

Smokers as a group enjoy another form of welfare because everyone that pays taxes or buys a product bears some of the expenses for their habit.

Getting back to the original subject, smoking in pool halls, I think I'll start slinging the great greasy green goobers coming out of my inflamed sinuses everywhere at the hall. After all, they are as much a result of smokers as the secondhand smoke is. Nobody that is fine with secondhand smoke should object. Gonna add all new meaning to the term skid!

Hu
 
I'm glad my city is non smoking mnow. Not just because I can breathe, but I'm like a ball ahead of those guys that I used to play even that can't play dead without a cigarette.
 
I beat throat cancer in 2002. I never smoked nicotine. I did breathe
a lot of second hand smoke from smokey pool rooms prior to the
no-smoking ordinances of many cities.

I would not wish throat cancer on anyone, even you guys with those
little white nicotine c@cks in your mouths.
 
Dallas Billiards in Dallas, Georgia has 23 tables and is non smoking. My wife actually went with me to a tournament there this evening. I allowed smoking in my pool room when I owned one 20 years ago, but I don't miss the smoke at all. I know it is hard to make money without smoking for most of them.
But it is nice not to have to change clothes as soon as I get home. I hope all the smoke free pool rooms can start doing well as I definitely feel better when I come home from one that was smoke free.
 
Smoke free please!

The Governor of Texas is a Dumb A - hole so we will never be smoke free as long as he eas anthing to do with it, but it would be nice.

In Houston Pool halls in some zip codes dont allow smoking, but the ones in the out laying areas do and is a big diff when you are playing for long periods of time
 
You know what's even sadder............

I'm in New Orleans for a few weeks. Been to Buffalo's a few times. Today I ask my wife to drop me off at the corner pocket for some practice. Sorry Jamie, but I'll never go there again. It's so smokey I can't hardly breathe. I walked a mile in the rain to Starbucks and wait for my wife.

What the help is wrong with people that they want to slowly kill themselves.

I'm glad Michigan and most other states have banned smoking.

I was in a Waffle house down south and I sat in the non smoking section. I was only about 10 feet from a guy that was in the smoking section. He blew the smoke away from me like that was going to do any good. The place was only about 25 feet wide. I got sick to my stomach.

This person knew how offensive his smoke was but he's going to do it anyway because he can.

I wonder if he would have cared if I brought some old chicken liver that I used for fishing back in the day that stunk real bad as long as i kept it in my section. I'll bet he couldn't finish his meal then.

Some smokers pretend to be considerate and some really are. Then there are some that just don't care. It's their right to kill people with their filthy habit. And their going to continue doing it until they are stopped.

But it's not really their right, it's just that the whole world really didn't know how bad it was on a persons health a long, long time ago. Like the 50's and 60's and 70's. In the 70's cancer insurance was flying high. All my friends were selling it. It was big business.

I can't believe they are still in the stone ages down there as far as protecting innocent peoples health.

I quit playing pool in wisconsin for 8 years. I could not be in the smoke anymore. I would be deathly sick for a week. If I played i drove to Minneapolis, about a 1 1/2 hour drive. They got smart way sooner than Wisconsin.

Anyone that has any health issues at all can't afford the chance of a poison like cigerette smoke in their lungs. They just can't deal with what the smoke does to their body on top of what they already have going on. It's devastating. it is so rediculous that it is still accepted anywhere in the USA.

If a person is diabetic the smoke is just to much. My friends that are diabetic that smoke are really going downhill fast. Pretty soon they'll be getting stuff cut off if they don't die first. What a shame. They are addicted and can't quit. I feel bad for them. It's proven over and over that second hand smoke is just as bad for you. What do people think? That by sucking it in and then blowing it out they are purifying the smoke. How rediculous.

I could go on and on.

I pray for all the smokers out there and hope that some day you can kick this terrible habit.

They say you got to die sometime but you might as well try to feel as good as you can as long as your here. The people that I know that die from cigerette related heath problems suffer a long time before they finally die and it's not pretty.

That's not for me. Life can be tough enough................

Many of the good tournys around the country , many players won't go to because of the smoke.

I've tried. Second or third day I can't even function right. My whole body is out of whack. If a person smokes or is in the smoke they are just used to being out of whack. But once your out of it for a year or 2 nobody can handle it well.

Those cig companies must pad the polititions pockets pretty well.

Do ya think?

Someone should do an investigation on this. There might be alot of dirt dug up. 60 minutes or some show like that.
 
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call me old and grizzled, but if you don't like the smoke, don't go there....that's the problem I see with so many people these day...they don't like this or don't like, so let's ban it so nobody can do it....then you start gettin' into giant pissing contests between folks over stupidity...bottom line, if you don't like smoking in a pool room, don't go there....if demand is high enough, someone will open room that is smoke-free to cater to you so you can be happy....then those folks who smoke was give their dollars to some place that caters to them and let's them smoke...
 
Yeah! YEAH!!! Harumph Harumph Harumph!!!

I don't like it or agree with it, so I am going to make rules about what you can or can't do in your pool hall! Not like I can chose to not go there, I HAVE to go to your pool hall, so if I don't want it, that's what's up!

I freaking hate those drunk asses too! F*ck those guys! All loud and sh*t. Smelling like alcohol, destroying their liver, killing people when they drive. Let's all band together, no more alcohol!!!!!

Hello?
Anyone?
Hhmmmmm......

Why do you have to go around making sense all of the time?
 
Why do you have to go around making sense all of the time?

Because he isn't. Those drunk aholes aren't causing anybody any physical harm. If they do, then they are punished, correct??

Lets just skip all that actually, i'll just give everybody the arguments up to this point. Here is my new question (i'll try and be more tactful from here on out)................

Smoking in public IS legal, BUT, why do you feel like it is ok to smoke around people in public (like a park for example)??? I feel like a normal human should be cowering around, asking people if the cig is bugging others when smoking... but this hardly ever happens. Again, the question is, why do you just feel it is ok to smoke in the vicinity of lets say a 2 year old in a park? Why?? Do you assume people don't mind it.... you don't care? What are the various answers?
 
Move to Washington where the air outside is clean from the rain and the air inside is clean from the wonderful non-smoking laws.
 
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