Full Time Push Out...

I'm familiar with the rule where, after the break in 9 or 10 ball, you're allowed to push out and the incoming player has the option of taking the shot or giving it back to you. How about playing with the push out rule always in effect. Has this been discussed before? I think it would make the game more interesting for everyone. I'd rather watch a strategic situation with two top players using this rule than watch them hooking each other and and forcing a kick or jump shot. Jumping and kicking might happen more often than one would estimate while playing full time push out. Instead of being forced to jump or kick, you might see players willingly hook themselves because of the confidence they have for the kick or jump shot they purposely set up and hope it's given back to them. Would full time push out slow down matches? Just wondering....

That would not be my choice. I like 10 ball with Texas express rules. One push out after the break - and no jump cues.
 
I have an idea. Mandatory push out after the break, call shot call safety. Only question is who pushes if a ball is made on the break. I'm not sure about it but if the breaker made a ball, they should be in an advantageous position.
 
I played Richey Ambrose down in Orlando Florida back when he had a pool room there. He was famous for being able to spin those tough cuts in, you are right. However, there's ways to disarm players from their favorite shots....and this happened to Richie.

Playing "one foul" those shots will seldom come up (even entertaining situations rarely come up) and you'll see basically the same thing {virtually} every match.....breaking/racking/kicking/ducking/easy run outs.

John Brumback plays "bank pool" much better than me, although I wouldn't hesitate to play him these '2 Foul Shootout'.....and we did play many years ago, and his banking is tremendously challenging to deal with.......and it can be done.

You see, if another player cuts, banks or makes long shots better you simply practice these shots until you improve.....or they will continue to beat you.

This isn't true in "one foul," the only thing you really need to practice is breaking, kicking and ducking......and maybe 5 minutes on "running out". ;)
Precisely.
 
You guys are defending strategy

Try getting rid of all Simmonis for tournament play. And play old backed cloth. You will not learn to run out in 5 minutes. 5 month maybe. Maybe not.
Many greats will not longer be so hot. A few will dominate.
Fast cloth is just no challenge for too many people on this planet.
It has dumied this game down.
It is almost like using a peach basket in the ground for a hole in a Golf tournament
.
Fade that,
Nick :)
 
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This has to change, the game is more....so much more!

You make some great points, the fast cloth is a huge equalizer.

The game is so much easier now than in the 80s. Anyone can beat anyone, you just have to not take chances and cut down mistakes....and make sure to practice your jumping, kicking and ducking. This has to change, the game is more....so much more!




Try getting rid of allSimmonis for tournament play. And play old backed cloth. You will not learn to run out in 5 minutes. 5 month maybe. Maybe not.
Many greats will not longer be so hot. A few will dominate.
Fast cloth is just no challenge for too many people on this planet.
It has dummied this game down.
It is almost like using a peach basket in the ground for a hole in a Golf tournament
.
Fade that,
Nick :)
 
But has the (much more exciting) benefit of a player taking on a hard shot that has difficult position, instead of just playing a dumbed down safe. :thumbup:

Pool is not and never was about making the really tough difficult shots, but instead about avoiding them.
 
You're right, entertainment is about that ! But who needs people to watch, right ? :D


P.S. Just like car racing is about "Safe Driving", LOL

Just like Dale Earnhardt Sr was bump drafting at over 200mph! Watching it on tv with someone who doesn't have a clue on what it takes is difficult sometimes. They say big deal and it's like,,, do you have any clue what it takes???

People want excitement!!! Period!
 
Try getting rid of all Simmonis for tournament play. And play old backed cloth. You will not learn to run out in 5 minutes. 5 month maybe. Maybe not.
Many greats will not longer be so hot. A few will dominate.
Fast cloth is just no challenge for too many people on this planet.
It has dumied this game down.
It is almost like using a peach basket in the ground for a hole in a Golf tournament
.
Fade that,
Nick :)

I agree 100%. Earl would kill most of the current players under these conditions.
 
Pool is only exciting when the players are required to "come with" tough shots.

That's not true at all. Many players got famous for delighting audiences with their shot-making skills......this "one foul" has handcuffed players like Morris, Hatch, Strickland, and Archer.

Avoiding tough, difficult shots in competition is only possible because of the cowardly "ball in hand" rules. What other sport has "ball in hand" on fouls, does snooker, or billiards, or tennis, or golf,? ......hardly!!!

Pool was not designed to be a wimpy game, why on earth would we push it that way?

Pool is only exciting when the players are required to "come with" tough shots. The game is supposed to me mentally and physically challenging.....not a knitting competition.




Pool is not and never was about making the really tough difficult shots, but instead about avoiding them.
 
The Way Back Machine is the only Answer

Where are Sherman and Peabody when Pool really needs them!!!

Wedge
 

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Having to come with it, in a clutch spot, is the excitement in Pool.
I have to agree with CJ on this. As much as it hurts me, LOL. :grin-square:
Maybe to a expierienced player who knows what a hard shot is , but to anyone else they see pool as not being that hard it has no real wow factor ,, That's why it can't substain a TV contract , pool is 2 things , boring and real boring , take your pic


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the game will thrive and even the naysayers will be pleasantly surprised.

We can all relate to being in that position. Really, that's what pool is all about, I don't remember the simple racks I've ran, however, I do remember those clutch shots.

It's the vital organ of pool and it was removed 25 years ago. I'm surprised it's lasted this long without it's heart. When we put the heart back into pool the game will thrive and even the naysayers will be pleasantly surprised.


Having to come with it, in a clutch spot, is the excitement in Pool.
I have to agree with CJ on this. As much as it hurts me, LOL. :grin-square:
 
I think everyone would be suprised how many more players they're are today that will take that tough shot on instead of giving it back. I always thought a good banker had some advantage before Texas express rules. Johnnyt
 
it's critical to recognize shot percentages and apply them to every roll out.

That "tough shot" will have some other challenges as well.....shape on the next ball.

The reason 2 Foul Roll Out is strategic is you can't ever win on a safety, therefore it's critical to recognize shot percentages and apply them to every roll out.

Many times when you play safe, it's not to "hook" the opponent, but to tempt them into a shot, or force them to roll out (which is a disadvantage).




I think everyone would be suprised how many more players they're are today that will take that tough shot on instead of giving it back. I always thought a good banker had some advantage before Texas express rules. Johnnyt
 
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