G-10
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I feel the same as you do. I have cues with glass pins, brass, and etc. When I play with them I couldn't tell you what the pin is and can't honestly tell you that there is a difference. I have been told that for the most part pins and joint materials may be chosen to help balance the cue. Tensile strength is important for tension or pulling action. The cue is in compression when hitting a ball. This would have more to do with the mating of the faces. With a pin being at the center it wouldn't really have much to do with bending forces either except for holding the forearm to the handle unless you put extreme bending on the cue and that would have to be caused by something else other than what the cue is intended for. If anything it may affect the tone of the cue.
The pin is in tension by keeping the butt and shaft together but is doesn't need any more than any other type of pin. I don't think that anyone can tighten a cue enough to break any pin and I don't think that the material keeps the butt and shaft tighter together.
I just feel that it is something that it used as a option to make the person buying it fell like he has something "special". A so called magic feather and that is what a lot of cue buyers are looking for.
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Lotta opinions here, so I'll throw out mine on why I believe I liked the feel of the G10....I would guess that vibrations from the hit could travel thru some materials easier than others (as far as joints go). And that might be why some say cues with the g10 pin feel more like a 1 piece cue. I would guess one of those HUGE wood pins would be the same, and compared to a stainless/piloted joint would transmit the feel with less "deadening effect"...???? Whatever it is, the G10 pinned cue I tried felt better than any other cue I've tried - including another Diveney with a radial joint.
Fred...Thanks for the correction. All I knew came from what Joe told me about the material. Whatever it is...I sure love the feel of it, in a cue pin.:grin:
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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This may be controversial but here goes:
The difference that players and cue makers alike see between different joints and pins has very little to do with strength or hardness of materials. Or even vibration transmission. (This is just my opinion that has developed from my experiences and testing over the last 20 years or so.)
The difference comes from weight. I am not talking about balance, although these changes can affect balance. The difference really comes from where the weight is in relation to the nodes of the cue. A node is the natural pivot point to a vibrating object. If you put weight directly in the middle between the 2 nodes this provides the most resistance to movement when the object starts to vibrate causing a very short amplitude and high frequency vibration. Basically the more the weight the more energy or forces necessary to move that weight sideways. If you remove weight in this area, then it is easier to move and moves further sideways with the same force. You end up with a completely different sine wave. The amplitude is much higher, and the frequency will be much longer.
Again, these are my observations. If anyone disagrees, that is your right. I am happy to hear your responses, but please lets NOT make this a war. I am really too busy for that.
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
The difference that players and cue makers alike see between different joints and pins has very little to do with strength or hardness of materials. Or even vibration transmission. (This is just my opinion that has developed from my experiences and testing over the last 20 years or so.)
The difference comes from weight. I am not talking about balance, although these changes can affect balance. The difference really comes from where the weight is in relation to the nodes of the cue. A node is the natural pivot point to a vibrating object. If you put weight directly in the middle between the 2 nodes this provides the most resistance to movement when the object starts to vibrate causing a very short amplitude and high frequency vibration. Basically the more the weight the more energy or forces necessary to move that weight sideways. If you remove weight in this area, then it is easier to move and moves further sideways with the same force. You end up with a completely different sine wave. The amplitude is much higher, and the frequency will be much longer.
Again, these are my observations. If anyone disagrees, that is your right. I am happy to hear your responses, but please lets NOT make this a war. I am really too busy for that.
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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Opinions vary...
Good observations from many on this subject. All I can say is that I play with a G-10 joint pin and I love the hit of my cue!
I do have one piece of knowledge on the subject to share though. I've had two different cues with G-10 pins from two different cuemakers over the past few years and the "hit" and "feel" were drastically different for sure! My mindset is firmly in agreement with Blackheartcues in that the pin really doesn't have much if any effect on the "hit/feel" of the cue itself.
Hey, try it out and see if ya like 'em! That's the only way you'll know for sure. :grin-square:
Good observations from many on this subject. All I can say is that I play with a G-10 joint pin and I love the hit of my cue!
I do have one piece of knowledge on the subject to share though. I've had two different cues with G-10 pins from two different cuemakers over the past few years and the "hit" and "feel" were drastically different for sure! My mindset is firmly in agreement with Blackheartcues in that the pin really doesn't have much if any effect on the "hit/feel" of the cue itself.
Hey, try it out and see if ya like 'em! That's the only way you'll know for sure. :grin-square:
What cuemakers?
Royce...I think you left out the word "NOT"! LOL You can say what you want, but 10x more people who have owned or hit with a Cognoscenti, with a G-10 pin, LOVE it, than don't care for it. Part of that love comes from the "feeling" that the cue plays more like a one-piece cue (which, according to those in the know, is the "ideal"). I don't know about how that kind of pin "feels" in other cues, because I haven't owned them. I can tell you that I love the way that cue plays. Maybe it comes from the craftsmanship associated with Cognoscenti Cues. Whatever it is, I sure like it myself...and I'm not alone.
For the record, I also love the "feel" of the big metal radial pin, in my Samsara Cues, too...but this thread is about the G-10 pin (I'd love to have a Samsara with the G-10 pin, to compare the Cog to).
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
For the record, I also love the "feel" of the big metal radial pin, in my Samsara Cues, too...but this thread is about the G-10 pin (I'd love to have a Samsara with the G-10 pin, to compare the Cog to).
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Cuemakers
My current cue is a B & D, very small team of two friends of mine that make one hell-uv-a great hitting cue. The other was a Mike Durbin, a fine cuemaker as well. :thumbup:
I would highly recommend both cuemakers to any prospective buyer as they both back their products and are fine people as well. My personal preference is definately towards my B & D though as I prefer it's hit and feel over any cue I've ever owned.
My current cue is a B & D, very small team of two friends of mine that make one hell-uv-a great hitting cue. The other was a Mike Durbin, a fine cuemaker as well. :thumbup:
I would highly recommend both cuemakers to any prospective buyer as they both back their products and are fine people as well. My personal preference is definately towards my B & D though as I prefer it's hit and feel over any cue I've ever owned.
ta freakin da! Finally. Ding ding ding! Right on point! Which is exactly why there is such a huge difference in the hit of cues with different joint sizes (not the pin, the joint itself). G10, 5/16x18, aluminum radial or good old wood (like the deano or dieckman) all have low weights at the joint, contributing to a "lively hit". On the other hand, heavier screws produce more solid, stunning facilitative hits, like a mallet. And to boot, these characteristics can be enhanced or detuned by shaft construction, shaft taper, ferrules, tips and joint diameter.
BTW, I gave my G10 away. At the end of the day, I never did trust myself not to smack the pee out of it sideways......too much stimpy, not enough ren!
tim
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Scott,
It seems as though you think I don't care for the hit of a Cognoscenti, nothing could be further from the truth. They are fantastic cues!
My comments were not prejudiced toward one or the other, only to comment that what many think is the cause of the difference in the hit is incorrect. I feel the difference comes from the mass and it's relative location to the nodes, not the strength or flex of the materials used.
You can change the amplitude and frequency of the hit of a cue just by adding a little weight at the joint.
Thanks for pointing out my typo! I fixed it and gave you credit!
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
