but not before i could give her some green for her other post on the other thread. read that one !
GAG order on WPBA players?!?!
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but not before i could give her some green for her other post on the other thread. read that one !
saw it & gave her some green myself. Glad someone is taking a stand.
If there is a choice, I would prefer they get more timely updates done on the tournament bracket!!!
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Let me get this straight: Goldman Sachs is looking to to invest $4mil in women's pool?
lol. Well, I guess at least something good may come out of the billions in federal bailout monies they took. On only a slightly more seriously note: why on God's good green Simonis covered earth would GS want to spend money on a women's pool tour? Do they think they're going to be selling the players and fans a few billions worth of credit-default swaps?!
Lou Figueroa
lol
still chuckling
Much safer word is " statistically significant" and this will calm my friend jude.
I feel better already
Anonymous Shit Stirring is what fueled the American Revolution. If the authors of a lot of the writing advocating independence were known then they would have been jailed and harassed and even hung on trumped up charges as was done to many who were known.
Sure anonymous trolls are irritating, but the fact is that anyone is free to defend themselves. With every upside there is a downside.
So it's easy to create a blog and start posting anonymously. That's a plus. People can use that for good or evil. That's balance.
The point is does the content have any merit or not?
You see I find that when people are cornered and they can't escape the logic of the debate then they resort to personal attack and when the other side is faceless then they have nothing to grab onto.
Then the most favored attack is "your words are meaningless because you are hiding".
Really?
Then why do the postings of anonymous critics draw the most debate and vehemence?
I firmly believe in one's right to speak out anonymously. I also believe that in the face of being the target of many anonymous trolls throughout the years.
If it weren't for people's right to speak without identifying themselves then this country would be in much worse shape than it is.
Exactly.
Can't even begin to tell you how many people are mad, simply because they don't have a focal point for their emotions and anger when an anonymous person says something that they don't like or agree with.
Almost as if by knowing who the person is, they could somehow discount the words, or their meaning, by attributing other factors to the person behind those words, or have soemthing to focus their hostilities at.
I have been told several times that what i say would be a LOT more believable if they knew who i was, to which i know, that they are bent cause they want to know who i am and i don't tell them.
And also, just like this morning, i have been cursed out several times in pool chatrooms by people who are simply angry because of my anonymity, and nothing else, and they make it a point to bring it up ever single time they see me in chatrooms.
Like, get over it already.
Putting the WPBA on lock down may be a way of clearing the slate. John came in with a disaster and sometimes the fastest way to progress is to be a drill instructor at first to prevent more problems crowding an already overcrowded plate.
If I came in to a mess like that I'm not so sure I would do it that way, but I also can't say I wouldn't. You come in with a desperate sponsor search on your hands and a desperation to search for additional tour spots. With that on your plate would you want disgruntled tour players adding to the fray?
Like I said I probably wouldn't do it that way, but I would encourage players to watch their tongues and I would certainly explain why. I think that if everyone involved (and not just the ones in charge) are in the know you will see the speed of progression increase.
If I came in to a mess like that I'm not so sure I would do it that way, but I also can't say I wouldn't. You come in with a desperate sponsor search on your hands and a desperation to search for additional tour spots. With that on your plate would you want disgruntled tour players adding to the fray?
Like I said I probably wouldn't do it that way, but I would encourage players to watch their tongues and I would certainly explain why. I think that if everyone involved (and not just the ones in charge) are in the know you will see the speed of progression increase.
No one said to all of us that we cannot post on forums. I take it as more of a 'watch what you say' type of thing. I know I will still be here to comment on things and answer questions and partake in the usual craziness of the forum.
As others have said, there are things that should be kept in the meeting room. In this case a few too many things leaked. I hope that everyone took a few days to cool down and everyone can think things over and look at all of the options. Most of all, hopefully an answer can be found and we can work towards the future.
I will still blog, but as a warning, which I learned from experience, your blog can be quoted in the media and you can be sued for simply stating your opinion. My blog was quoted in Billiards Digest and I was never even notified that it was going to happen nor asked to comment. I received emails stating that I could be sued over things that I said. Luckily, there is a disclaimer at the bottom of my blog.
Just remember, everything seems to be fair game....forums, blogs, made up stories. Who knows, all of this could be quoted in a magazine next month.
Sarah
As others have said, there are things that should be kept in the meeting room. In this case a few too many things leaked. I hope that everyone took a few days to cool down and everyone can think things over and look at all of the options. Most of all, hopefully an answer can be found and we can work towards the future.
I will still blog, but as a warning, which I learned from experience, your blog can be quoted in the media and you can be sued for simply stating your opinion. My blog was quoted in Billiards Digest and I was never even notified that it was going to happen nor asked to comment. I received emails stating that I could be sued over things that I said. Luckily, there is a disclaimer at the bottom of my blog.
Just remember, everything seems to be fair game....forums, blogs, made up stories. Who knows, all of this could be quoted in a magazine next month.
Sarah
So the current situation with the WPBA is equal to the American revolution ? I don't see it that way. But then I am talking about a specific situation not grandiose ideas out there in the ether.
I could start an anonymous blog and tell all kinds of shit. To what end? I have said some things that I know have cost me business because I believed they needed to be said. I did it without hiding behind a keyboard knowing full well I would be held responsible. We don't see eye to eye on much but you have done the same and for that I try to give what you say a fair balance in my eyes. Someone that stirs shit simply to create conflict without owning it just gets thrown out with the rest of trash.
You want to fix something step up and throw your hat in the ring. You want to b!tch about something fine but unless you also put forth an equal effort in fixing the situation it is just noise. My tiny friend who posted above me is a perfect example. She felt strongly about something, spoke out, owned it and is out there doing what she can to make things better.That is how it should be done IMO.
If someone told me to be quiet about something I believed that strongly in I would make a choice and then live with it. I also know that all the people who eat up the drama and conflict are long gone when it is time to pay the bills or do the work. Some rep on AZ and a few "You told them" emails doesn't fix anything.
Everyone has an opinion till it costs them something.
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Exactly. It's all BS. If they don't know the person speaking then the content is discounted because the speaker is anonymous. If they do know the person speaking then the content is discounted because the speaker is said to be biased, has no experience, is prejudiced, etc.....
In other words when people disagree and they can't make a logical argument then they resort to personal attacks and it's infuriating to them when they can't take something personal about the speaker and use it to attempt to harm the speaker.
If I were PCN I'd put the blog right back up. I am sure he didn't erase all the content - at least I hope he didn't.
If there were things there that were defamatory then the proper course would have been to take legal action.
I can tell ALL OF YOU this: If I were to ever start a controversial blog and I wanted to be anonymous then I would make sure that it was hosted outside the USA and that you couldn't trace it back to me in any way.
But the fact is that most people don't REALLY want to be anonymous. They want to be known for what they write. If PCN wanted to really stay hidden then he could have.
The thing that gets me is that the WPBA had a fan rabid enough to write so much about the WPBA - most enitities would kill to get those kinds of fans.
I very much doubt that Nascar cares in the least about bloggers out there ranting about the things that they think are wrong with Nascar.
Why? Because it's more content out there with the word NASCAR for people to consume.
If anyone wants to start an anonymous blog about how John Barton sucks please do but make sure you spell my name right and point them to my website so they can go and see for themselves how much I suck.
Please.....
And I agree with all this as well. The thing is that it often takes both sides to get things done.
Sometimes people can't own it. Sometimes they can't afford to lose the business that their opinion would cost them. They can't afford to lose the job, go to jail for their beliefs or live in fear of their life.
The anonymous people who got the colonists stirred up paved the way for more prominent people to stand up.
So I think we need both. We need the muckrakers and we need the strong people who stand under their own banner. It's kind of a check and balance on the truth.
I am also with you in that I don't particularly see the need for the WPBA's internal business to be broadcast on the street. But it happens in this day and age when we live in a celebrity-oriented society that people want dirt and whoever provides them that gossip is regarded as a good entertainer.
I am sure that you can find many such blogs written by people with "inside" information or purported inside information. I am sure that most of these are thorns to someone. But it's part of life now and is something that we as a society have to live with.
If the content has truth in it then the subject needs to either address it or ignore it. If the content is defamatory then the subject needs to pursue whatever means to have it rectified if it's important to them to do so.
But to just discount content because we don't know WHO the author is or what his credentials are is not the way to go either.
Imagine if Newton showed up with his gravitational theories but posted them anonymously? Does that make them any less valid? What if the posting of those theories made the leading scientist of the day and his theories completely obsolete?
You know that I am more of a big concept guy and that's why I find it sad that such a blog can be forced offline. I looked at as more content about the WPBA for people outside the game to find and perhaps get hooked on pool.
I guess I am the eternal optimist.
I'm with you man. If the "reporter" is anonymous than it is always entirely possible that the "rumors" they are reporting are actually just started by them.
JR (the prez) used to post here quite a bit and I can see how he ruffles peoples feathers, he ruffled mine plenty, but I also can see where he might be the thing the WPBA needs. He may be, he may not be, but this thread was started by an anonymous poster reporting a blog by an anonymous blogger who (at best) was reporting a rumor. AZ being AZ and the tone being negative, one would just know that it is going to get plenty of play and it did. If nobody is taking responsibility for what they say (in this case times 2 unless the blogger and the OP are one in the same), one can say anything and some anonymous people can join the forum and lend all the support the thought needs to catch fire.
I'm not saying that this is what happened here, but I am saying it is entirely possible. The thread has looked to me to be nothing but a submarine attempt at character assassination of JR. Is the assassination necessary and good? It might be but I really detest the tactics.
I've had an anonymous member whose 2nd post was to tell me I knew nothing because I wasn't at the player's meeting (hinting that they were) and straightening me out with their anonymous information. I'm sorry, but if you can't take responsibility for what you say then I'm going to discount your "facts". I'm not buying the fear of reprisal from the big bad corporate giant, this is the WPBA, not the Silkwood movie (and not the American Revolution, BTW, those heroes signed their own names to the Declaration of Independence).
Great job on the free live feeds (again) Seems to me you have taken your gorilla TV business to a level where you can actually sell your product (I'm assuming the WPBA or some entity is paying you something) and not only have to go with PPV. If that is true, congrats, you certainly have filled a need (and of course been copied some) and I can only hope if the tours pay you that they stick around long enough for you to have tournaments to broadcast and get paid for.
Thanks
Kevin
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Here is Superstar, an anonymous reporter reporting a supposed rumor on a blog by an anonymous blogger:
"Well, I heard the craziest sh!t that I just have to write about. Rumor has it that el presidente has issued a gag order to the players, telling them that they are not allowed to talk to bloggers or post on the boards."
Here is Sara Rousey, a real live WPBA Tour player who posts on AZ in her own name:
"No one said to all of us that we cannot post on forums."
Seems to me that the truth is clear.
Thanks
Kevin
"Well, I heard the craziest sh!t that I just have to write about. Rumor has it that el presidente has issued a gag order to the players, telling them that they are not allowed to talk to bloggers or post on the boards."
Here is Sara Rousey, a real live WPBA Tour player who posts on AZ in her own name:
"No one said to all of us that we cannot post on forums."
Seems to me that the truth is clear.
Thanks
Kevin
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