Gambling Ethics

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When I play I try my best to be a gentleman to my opponent before, during, and after our session. I have been guilty a time or few of getting a little heated due to my play or their rolls in which I am working on taming, but never got too far outta line. However I've been playing a little with an older guy here in town that is respected as one of the better player in our city and area for some relatively cheap pool. I know I can beat the guy. Yet, I haven't done so .

If you play me and walk down to look at the rack everytime to check if the balls are racked well you are wasting steps. I always try to give the best rack I can to others and never try to 'slug' anyone. This guy however would not only waste my steps but also breath telling him to re-rack the balls. I got so fed up with his total disregard to whether I had a breakable rack that I would just do my best to read an area of frozen balls (usully at the most 3) and try to get something out of them. Most of the time I was playing a combo, Cue+1Ball+Stack of mush=Opponents shot. Brutal

Also I try to be respectful of their turn at the table. I don't speak loudly to others. If I even speak with anyone at all its not when they are shooting. I stay seated and out of the way(at times I will move when I see they have tough shapes shooting in my direction before they get around to address the shot). This guy will shoot and never move out of his stance unless I'm bout to shoot from there. He just stands up about a foot from the table till he racks or I safe or miss. Talks to me about his shot while I'm shooting. If I can't see him in my peripheral vision he will get dead down the line of my shot. When I ask him to move he rolls his eyes like he was doing nothing wrong and I should ease up. Unreal

Cheap pool or not I would like for a player to show some ethics. If this was for a bigger set (which I would love to play with a rack your own and players designated chairs) I would be a little more adament on him acting like someone who has some respect and not a 2 bit hustler. But, I do like this game for the simple fact it not a push over game anyway and that he is testing my nerve. Grant it he has gotten the better end of the moving game seeing how I don't pull any. In the long run I will get the better of the game when I tame it down mentally and just play and will probably end up thanking him for my seasoning.

There are a lot of guys that pull moves like these though. I want to beat players when they are playing their best. Not when I acted like a nit, that seems more like a nat, buzzing around thier head trying to take them off their game. Its a part of gambling with some but I just don't get it myself. O well, just a thought.
 
i agree with most everything you said...having said that, it sounds like that opponent is not worth the hassle to play. if you don't mind the possibility of a confrontation...step up and let him know to quit the b.s.

as far as the racking...mine as well offer to do "rack your own"
 
i agree with most everything you said...having said that, it sounds like that opponent is not worth the hassle to play. if you don't mind the possibility of a confrontation...step up and let him know to quit the b.s.

as far as the racking...mine as well offer to do "rack your own"

I've actually said "whats up with all the moves/ you broke?" He replied "no and I don't wanna be either" lol. He also declined a rack your own. I wanna beat him though so what ever water I have to wade is fine with me. Just think its nitty. Post is mostly bout people in general.
 
Sadly, its to be expected. Gambling and ethics aren't often spoken in the smae sentence. And complaints about nits, sharks, and other things are VERY common. The sad thing is, Nits and sharks aren't going anywhere.

So you have two choices:

1) Know full well ahead of time that your opponant is a shark and do everything in your power to not let it bother you. Ask him to move when he's encroaching upon you. Ask him to stop talking when you're down. But never let it frustrate you. If you do, he'll continune to own you.

2) Don't play him anymore.

Since you want to beat him, option 1 seems best. But seriously... don't let him get to you. Because him sharking you doesn't bother him in the slightest. He'll do it all day! If it bothers you, then he's got the edge. So just grin and bear it.
 
I've actually said "whats up with all the moves/ you broke?" He replied "no and I don't wanna be either" lol. He also declined a rack your own. I wanna beat him though so what ever water I have to wade is fine with me. Just think its nitty. Post is mostly bout people in general.

Asking him directly and politely is a good way to force him to either act right, or openly be an @$$hole.

For instance, after he misses but doesn't leave the table: "Would you leave the table when it's my turn, please?" His choices are to either move, or refuse. If he chooses to refuse, he looks like a complete douche in front of anybody who's around. Or perhaps, "Would you stay silent when I'm shooting, please?"

You don't have to sugar-coat these questions, just ask them in a calm tone of voice. It doesn't leave the option of him quietly sharking you. He's left with the choice of either quitting the shark moves, or openly admitting that he's intentionally being a douche. 99% of the time, he'll choose option A and stop bugging you.

-Andrew
 
I've actually said "whats up with all the moves/ you broke?" He replied "no and I don't wanna be either" lol. He also declined a rack your own. I wanna beat him though so what ever water I have to wade is fine with me. Just think its nitty. Post is mostly bout people in general.


He sounds like he is not worth your time nor effort.....

I believe pool is a game for gentlemen and true ladies alike....talking while I'm shooting, staying at the table, getting in line of sight, bad racks....why do you play this guy? It ain't worth it.....

If this guy is respected as one of the better players in your city, it's likely he doesn't pull that crap with most people.....for some reason, he thinks he can get away with this while playing you....he is not showing you the equal respect you deserve.....IMHO, life is too short, find somebody else to play and move on....

I don't trust anyone who is not willing to play rack your own and constantly gives slug racks....
 
Checking the rack and getting a rack he likes- That's smart, even if it's cheap pool. Can't blame the guy there......

Standing by the table and talking while you are at the table- Not cool. Tell him before you kick it off that he needs to sit in the chair and shut his trap while you're at the table..... If he doesn't like sitting tell him to pick a spot to stand away from the table and stay there.
 
Who initiates the matches? If you are the one suggesting the matches, stop. If he wants to play you, let him ask you. Then is the perfect opportunity to set some conditions -- "Sure I will play you if..."

If he's the one suggesting the matches, then once again, here's your opportunity.

If he doesn't agree to the conditions, don't play him. If he agrees and then continues to do what he's been doing, quit. It's not worth the frustration you are suffering.

Ron
 
Checking the rack and getting a rack he likes- That's smart, even if it's cheap pool. Can't blame the guy there......

Standing by the table and talking while you are at the table- Not cool. Tell him before you kick it off that he needs to sit in the chair and shut his trap while you're at the table..... If he doesn't like sitting tell him to pick a spot to stand away from the table and stay there.

He doesn't check the rack. I'm saying its a waste of time to check the rack cause he just throws up up there everytime. He said"I'm not gonna re rack em all nite" LOL.
Like say if it was for more money I would get on his ass. My point is people do this shiz. Its unreal. I wanna play someone and he is really the best I have to play right now lol. After I beat him its another level to jump to as far as players in my area.
 
I know what you can do G........jerk your panties up and break better. I mean really reach down deep and slap 'em with your purse. :D


Really though, why play a guy like that? I think you probably know how I would treat that deal....it wouldn't happen long. You just need to go north a little, all the easy action is up here.
 
a) Insist on rack your own or no game, and tell him why.

b) When you are playing your buddies not gambling have them shark you the same way this guy does.

c) When you gamble with the guy, use the same sharks he does.

d) Are you sure you are really better than this guy and the sharking is why you keep losing? There have been some great players who were sharks.
 
You're one of the last true gentlemen left gambling. Keep a level head like you always do and you will continue to leave a good impression wherever you go. Your game is too good to waste time with people like that.

By the way, get that tourny going that you were talking about and I will come down and donate.
 
You're one of the last true gentlemen left gambling. Keep a level head like you always do and you will continue to leave a good impression wherever you go. Your game is too good to waste time with people like that.

By the way, get that tourny going that you were talking about and I will come down and donate.

Thanks bob. Will do on the tourny.
 
I would make sure that others were listening and I'd tell him the conditions that I'm willing to play by.... i.e. rack your own, and between turns players sit down and stfu.
 
two different things

When I play I try my best to be a gentleman to my opponent before, during, and after our session. I have been guilty a time or few of getting a little heated due to my play or their rolls in which I am working on taming, but never got too far outta line. However I've been playing a little with an older guy here in town that is respected as one of the better player in our city and area for some relatively cheap pool. I know I can beat the guy. Yet, I haven't done so .

Two different things here. The sharking I would ignore except when he is crowding your space. When he is in your space stand up and ask him politely to move.

The slug racks are a different issue. Practice up on your slug racking and return the favor in spades. When he gets tired of the slug racks then he will complain or change his. If he complains then you have him where you want him and you can offer rack your own or both cut the crap. He may just straighten out his racks in which case you can do the same.

He is playing games to establish his dominance as a person. As a general rule that carries over to the game and you have much more trouble beating him. Block or counter his moves or make some of your own. If you want to play somebody like this you have to play more than just pool. Match or beat him at the game playing and you will easily beat him on the table if you are the better player.

Hu
 
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