Get a NEW BLACK BOAR...around $6,000

Did you read my mind?

TommyT said:
I remember when Tim Scruggs and JP Nusbaum introduced the Phantom. The price was 2K and they had no inlays but claimed to be great players. The cue got slammed by members of this forum, claiming they were not worth the money. I went against popular opinion and based on the trust I had in Tim and JP purchased one and I'm glad I did.
If Tony says this cue is a player you better believe it is and if you can't afford it or feel that it's overpriced, step aside.

TommyT
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Thought it a long time ago good buddy. Kam's cue is the one that caught my eye. Or was it Steve's. The limited edition six point player. Seemed alot then but who's laughing now.
When collectors talk I listen. The collectors know value.
Steve and Kam and Tommy are kind of like EF Hutton. Learn from them. They were not successful by accident. They are nice to share and know things most find hard to understand.
I like the butt cap!
Nick :)
 
icon2 said:
sorry, but don't own any pj's, drink alcohol, or do the 'whacky stuff'
. . . if i did though, would take a brewski, over champagne, every time! :thumbup2:
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oohhh kay! i do have a few pj's . . . and would love to see there value increase . . .
maybe i drink an occasional beer . . .
but i havent done any "whacky stuff" in a long time!
i swear! :yikes:
 
BB Exploded View

FAST_N_LOOSE said:
THEY AREN'T FULLSPLICE SO I NEED AN EXPLANATION.

Marcus
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Marcus ,Just to help out here is an exploded view of an AS-10 & how the handle is cored up & to the joint then down to the butt cap.So it is one piece of maple from Joint to Butt cap.If it has had a repair it would have a "A" joint installed ,like a standard Short Splice cue.How the Four pointer that was at a Dealers Booth at V.F. with the brass rings above the wrap was repaired.
I hope this is what Cooper was trying to explain.


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Great picture

This gives a great insight to a novice like me of how at least some of the older the cues are constructed.

I own an AS8 would this have the same construction as the AS10?
 
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Tony is among the most enjoyable people I have ever known to talk to. He has acquired his opinions about "hit" and deflection empirically...by experimenting for years. His cues are qualitatively different from any others. His excellence with the CNC and in conceiving new fresh designs is at the top of his field.

For some, the playability, beauty or carismatic maker is enough to spend big money without regret. I too had a Boar that played so well it was frightening.

Tony has every quality I look for to add one of his cues to my personal collection. No matter what the peanut gallery thinks of me, I will be happy to have one of his cues.

HERE IS THE RUB: Tony refused to take my order, not once but twice. That was something I am not used to hearing. Even at what I considdered a high price, my money wasn't good enough. So I say THANK YOU TIKKLER for letting me know that Tony has a few cues available. Regardless of where I spend my cash, this is good information and I appreciate knowing it.

And to Icon2, when it comes to high end cues, I am a particular Dufus who likes what he likes.
 
Tank138 said:
Marcus ,Just to help out here is an exploded view of an AS-10 & how the handle is cored up & to the joint then down to the butt cap.So it is one piece of maple from Joint to Butt cap.If it has had a repair it would have a "A" joint installed ,like a standard Short Splice cue.How the Four pointer that was at a Dealers Booth at V.F. with the brass rings above the wrap was repaired.
I hope this is what Cooper was trying to explain.


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TANK,
THAT'S A GREAT PIC. THE WORDS COOP WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO EXPLAIN IT, WOULDN'T FIT IN A POST. (AT LEAST NOT ONE SHORT ENOUGH FOR ME TO READ)

HOWEVER, THERE ARE "A" AND "B" JOINTS ON THAT CUE. JUST NOT THE TRADITIONAL ONES THAT MOST GUYS ARE USED TO.

THE FOREARM SECTION, AND THE BUTT SECTION STILL NEED TO BE JOINED TO THE CORE.

I'M NOT DEFENDING THE GUY THAT MADE THE POST ABOUT THE BAD CUES, NOR AM I ATTACKING TONY, BUT I ALSO HAD 2 HERE THAT "BUZZED" LIKE THE FOREARM WAS LOOSE, AND HAD SEPERATED FROM THE CORE.

THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY REFER TO THAT IS BY SAYING IT HAD AN A JOINT PROBLEM. I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO EXPLAIN IT.

THANKS AGAIN FOR SHOWING THAT PICTURE TO THE FORUM, THAT'S A GREAT PIECE OF INFORMATION REGARDING BB CUES.

HAVE A GREAT 4TH,

Marcus
 
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Now I do have a question regarding this "exploded" cue photo. According to "that" model in the photo...

At that time Bill McDaniel made the forearms, Tim Scruggs built the cue, and Tony (and son) did all of the inlaying....so.....I'm not sure if this is accurate as to how Tony builds steel jointed cues or Tim Scruggs (at that time).

Just a little more food for thought.

P.S. All of that information I just relayed is on Tony's great website.
 
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leonkush said:
Great picture

This gives a great insight to a novice like me of how at least some of the older the cues are constructed.

I own an AS8 would this have the same construction as the AS10?
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Hi Leon,
Some of Tony's cues were un-cored like the twins I had.
One was wrap less with no "A Joint" at all.
I will try & post a photo later
Tank
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
TANK,
THAT'S A GREAT PIC. THE WORDS COOP WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO EXPLAIN IT, WOULDN'T FIT IN A POST. (AT LEAST NOT ONE SHORT ENOUGH FOR ME TO READ)

HOWEVER, THERE ARE "A" AND "B" JOINTS ON THAT CUE. JUST NOT THE TRADITIONAL ONES THAT MOST GUYS ARE USED TO.

THE FOREARM SECTION, AND THE HANDLE SECTION STILL NEED TO BE JOINED TO THE CORE.

I'M NOT DEFENDING THE GUY THAT MADE THE POST ABOUT THE BAD CUES, NOR AM I ATTACKING TONY, BUT I ALSO HAD 2 HERE THAT "BUZZED" LIKE THE FOREARM WAS LOOSE, AND HAD SEPERATED FROM THE CORE.

THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY REFER TO THAT IS BY SAYING IT HAD AN A JOINT PROBLEM. I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO EXPLAIN IT.

THANKS AGAIN FOR SHOWING THAT PICTURE TO THE FORUM, THAT'S A GREAT PIECE OF INFORMATION REGARDING BB CUES.

HAVE A GREAT 4TH,

Marcus
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No problem Marcus .Just trying to help.
There were some made that were un cored
Like the twins I had last year I will try & post photos later .
Have a good Holiday
Tank
 
w/ the butt sleeve

solid ~29" bem with points & butt sleeve.
no "joints"
 

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from a finish carpenter's standpoint

could the sleeves come loose and buzz?... sure
is it likely?... not very

the cleat at the "handle" and the glue reliefs/ tolerace between
the core and the sleeves make that nearly impossible.

you never know how a cue was treated by it's owner though
and BEM is one of the most prone to movement making the 29"
bem cues very risky for a builder.
maybe someone should start up cuefax.com :thumbup:



FAST_N_LOOSE said:
TANK,
THAT'S A GREAT PIC. THE WORDS COOP WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO EXPLAIN IT, WOULDN'T FIT IN A POST. (AT LEAST NOT ONE SHORT ENOUGH FOR ME TO READ)

HOWEVER, THERE ARE "A" AND "B" JOINTS ON THAT CUE. JUST NOT THE TRADITIONAL ONES THAT MOST GUYS ARE USED TO.

THE FOREARM SECTION, AND THE BUTT SECTION STILL NEED TO BE JOINED TO THE CORE.

I'M NOT DEFENDING THE GUY THAT MADE THE POST ABOUT THE BAD CUES, NOR AM I ATTACKING TONY, BUT I ALSO HAD 2 HERE THAT "BUZZED" LIKE THE FOREARM WAS LOOSE, AND HAD SEPERATED FROM THE CORE.

THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY REFER TO THAT IS BY SAYING IT HAD AN A JOINT PROBLEM. I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO EXPLAIN IT.

THANKS AGAIN FOR SHOWING THAT PICTURE TO THE FORUM, THAT'S A GREAT PIECE OF INFORMATION REGARDING BB CUES.

HAVE A GREAT 4TH,

Marcus
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As many here know I am not a cue collector but I am one of the more active 1500-3000 price point cue whores on earth. I play a lot and like to trade and flip cues a whole lot and have probably owned over 500 cues in the last 20 years. When Black Boar cues were available in the price point I like to purchase within I acquired several of them in the early and mid 90's and I thought they were all decent hitting cues. Nothing extra special they primarily reminded me of the Schon, McDaniel and Joss West cues that I owned of that same era.

Having said all that, last year I had the opportunity to play for a few hours with a newer Black Boar and I would say that was one of the best hitting cues I have ever had the pleasure to hit balls with and if I thought there was any chance in hell I could hang on to a cue longer than a few months I would purchase one of these new players. But fortunately the only thing I have ever successfully been faithful to is my wife.

-don
 
Part of the equation...

you guys might be missing an essential part of the costing breakdown :

the fact that the cue is AVAILABLE ! NOW !

sure, you can price a brand new cue from a top 5 cue maker at half that, but how long would you be waiting ? 5 years for something from John, 7 years from Ron and maybe longer from others ?

if you are playing today, you want a cue today ... ok, maybe 3 to 6 months from today ...

that is something Tony can commit to and chances are, he will deliver earlier and give you a better cue than expected.

plus regardless of price point, the cue will hold its value ... and probably steadily increase...

there are not very many cues, if any, that can fulfil all those criteria ...

i have bought a lot of cues at the 3k price point - have i ever got 3k back - not once !

were they good cues - yes
were there buyers - yes
were they good value - seemed like it BUT i got back less than i paid ...

has that ever happened with the NEWER Black Boars - nope !

i have always been offered more than what i paid... hell, tony would buy them back himself if you were done with them and wanted out !

that "Value-Added" element is something so critical in price pointing a BB ...

is 6k a lot of money - you bet...

is it worth it ?

do the math : price in availability + reputation + playability + quality control ( don't forget shaft work ) + residual value + feel good factor ( never underestimate the edge a cue you believe in can give you )


this might actually work out to be the deal of the century :)

i love Tony - he is a generous soul and truly committed to making you a better player - more power to him !!

here is a little anecdote :

i bought a BB parabolic .. couldn't pot a ball with it ... so i took it back to Tony and he watched me play with it, then with one of craig's cue, then his "house" cue and then said, leave the cue behind ...

he made me 2 new shafts and when i got it back - i didn't miss a ball !

how many cue makers today can truly "dial-in" a cue for you ?

i took my 6 pointer back once .. right there and then, for 2 days straight, he modified the taper on the shafts - the cue, for me, is just about as perfect as a cue can get ... it is MY cue ... not A cue....

the guy simply gives you a damn fine cue with customer service that is way beyond the norm ... it not just about the specs ... it's about mating the cue to your game ... how do you price that in ?
 
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Yep BB in silver on the butt cap!The wood is nice,Leather wrap and finish it will be a BEAUTY!
 
kamdaswani said:
you guys might be missing an essential part of the costing breakdown :

the fact that the cue is AVAILABLE ! NOW !

sure, you can price a brand new cue from a top 5 cue maker at half that, but how long would you be waiting ? 5 years for something from John, 7 years from Ron and maybe longer from others ?

if you are playing today, you want a cue today ... ok, maybe 3 to 6 months from today ...

that is something Tony can commit to and chances are, he will deliver earlier and give you a better cue than expected.

plus regardless of price point, the cue will hold its value ... and probably steadily increase...

there are not very many cues, if any, that can fulfil all those criteria ...

i have bought a lot of cues at the 3k price point - have i ever got 3k back - not once !

were they good cues - yes
were there buyers - yes
were they good value - seemed like it BUT i got back less than i paid ...

has that ever happened with the NEWER Black Boars - nope !

i have always been offered more than what i paid... hell, tony would buy them back himself if you were done with them and wanted out !

that "Value-Added" element is something so critical in price pointing a BB ...

is 6k a lot of money - you bet...

is it worth it ?

do the math : price in availability + reputation + playability + quality control ( don't forget shaft work ) + residual value + feel good factor ( never underestimate the edge a cue you believe in can give you )


this might actually work out to be the deal of the century :)

i love Tony - he is a generous soul and truly committed to making you a better player - more power to him !!

here is a little anecdote :

i bought a BB parabolic .. couldn't pot a ball with it ... so i took it back to Tony and he watched me play with it, then with one of craig's cue, then his "house" cue and then said, leave the cue behind ...

he made me 2 new shafts and when i got it back - i didn't miss a ball !

how many cue makers today can truly "dial-in" a cue for you ?

i took my 6 pointer back once .. right there and then, for 2 days straight, he modified the taper on the shafts - the cue, for me, is just about as perfect as a cue can get ... it is MY cue ... not A cue....

the guy simply gives you a damn fine cue with customer service that is way beyond the norm ... it not just about the specs ... it's about mating the cue to your game ... how do you price that in ?
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Tony should frame this and put it on his wall! :smile:
 
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