Gold Crown 4 vs. Diamond

CamposCues said:
I traded the Gabriels for a 7' Diamond Proam, mainly due to room size constraints. The Diamond is also well built and looks great. I love the way the table plays. Poorly hit balls that rattle on my Diamond would have easily dropped on my GC or Gabriels. The Dymond wood is nice too. My 3 and 5 year old are far worse on my equipment than your average drunk at a bar. That being said, the table still looks great.
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What's your opinion on the 7' diamond vs. 9' with looser pockets, as to which one is better for your game? At some point I'm going to want to put a table in my house, and I'd need to move walls a little to truly fit a 9' table, and I don't think that would be easy. I'd use the table for entertaining company, but I'd use it more for practicing on my own, and so my decision on what to get hinges on what would be good for my game. Do you think the tight pockets make a 7' diamond a good practice table for someone who competes on 9' tables?

-Andrew
 
Andrew Manning said:
What's your opinion on the 7' diamond vs. 9' with looser pockets, as to which one is better for your game? At some point I'm going to want to put a table in my house, and I'd need to move walls a little to truly fit a 9' table, and I don't think that would be easy. I'd use the table for entertaining company, but I'd use it more for practicing on my own, and so my decision on what to get hinges on what would be good for my game. Do you think the tight pockets make a 7' diamond a good practice table for someone who competes on 9' tables?

-Andrew
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I think the 7' with tight pockets would keep you honest as far as pocketing balls is concerned but speed and position play are quite a bit different and might be something that would throw you off a little going back and forth between your 7' and the 9'. I like to be able to play on both and you get use to that. I am not an accomplished player but like that I can play on both sizes. There aren't too many 9' tables in Omaha, so most around here struggle on them.

I too, was going to have to move a wall and put in a beam because it was load bearing at my new house. Too much cash, so I went with the 7' proam and am very happy with it.
 
My only problem with the newer Diamond tables is the rails. The balls rail rebound goes flying off them! A simple 3 rail shot with the cue ball which would normally go directly into the corner pocket...comes up 6 inches short of the pocket! I mostly play on Gold Crowns and when I have to play Diamonds.... a BIG adjustment is necessary. The Diamond bar boxes are even worse....too quick for me. I.M.H.O.



Ball Banger said:
Run the Century

You are the only other person who brought up the short bank on Diamond tables. No one addressed my Question about Diamond Rails being a tad higher and therefore causing short banks.
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nancewayne said:
My only problem with the newer Diamond tables is the rails. The balls rail rebound goes flying off them! A simple 3 rail shot with the cue ball which would normally go directly into the corner pocket...comes up 6 inches short of the pocket! I mostly play on Gold Crowns and when I have to play Diamonds.... a BIG adjustment is necessary. The Diamond bar boxes are even worse....too quick for me. I.M.H.O.
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Shortly, you won't be able to make that statement:wink:
 
greyghost said:
what are you up to now Glenn....the man has something cooking once again i suppose:)
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Yep, I do. Leaving the Diamond factory tomorrow, heading up to CT. MD, NJ, NH, NC...and some where else...oh yeah, PA. Then while I'm up in NH, forming my next company, RKC video productions;LLC for the production of DVD's that cover the entire billiards industry, covering everything anyone wants to know about the mechanics of this industry, for worldwide distribution. Then back to Diamond's factory again, then.......I don't know where, I think back west again.

Glen
 
I been work on tables before.

Bruns use real piece wood to made the side frame.

I play on it for over 10 years, the response on curshions are more truly.

just thought
 
nancewayne said:
My only problem with the newer Diamond tables is the rails. The balls rail rebound goes flying off them! A simple 3 rail shot with the cue ball which would normally go directly into the corner pocket...comes up 6 inches short of the pocket! I mostly play on Gold Crowns and when I have to play Diamonds.... a BIG adjustment is necessary. The Diamond bar boxes are even worse....too quick for me. I.M.H.O.
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nancewayne

I don't play on Diamond table enough to argue the point of short or long banks or the reason why. But to me they bank short. I like GC speed rails and Diamond pockets.
 
Gold Crowns and Diamonds are two of the best pool tables made anywhere. They do play different. The Gold Crowns bank longer and you can definitely stiff a bank a lot more on a Diamond. This shouldn't be a big deal to a real pool player.

I come from a generation of players where we played almost daily on different equipment and you had to adjust to the table, the lighting, the humidity, all the conditions. That was just part of the deal. A good player could adjust quickly. To this day, I think I can figure out the rails and the speed on any table in half an hour.

I happen to like both tables, even though they play differently. Bottom line, you still have to make the balls in the holes! :grin:
 
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center pocket said:
I agree with everything in your post except what i quoted above.

Ok I gotta call BS on this one. Scott Frost and I had a conversation last time we were gambling and both of us agreed that the reason that pros prefer diamonds over gold crowns is that they can practice on a diamond in Cali then go to new york and play in a tournie on a diamond and have the tables play near identical (humidity excluded ofcourse). That doesnt happen with Gold Crowns. I can play at pockets in tucson on there Gold Crowns and then got to Bull Shooters in Pheonix and play on there Gold Crowns and what a world of diffrence. Anybody who thinks about all the gold crowns the have played on in there life will have to agree there is a wide degree of playability from one to the next.

Now if the RKC setup every gold crown in the country then I would agree with your statement, until that happens Diamonds will always play more consistent from one to the next.

RKC would you like to chime in on this one?
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I don't doubt that there are a lot of pro's that prefer the Diamond's over th GC's, and in no way dispute what Scott Frost said.

I spoke to John Schmidt at last years US Open and asked him about the tables and he told me that the Diamond's don't play well unless they are clean. If the table or balls are dirty, the table does not play well.

I'm not trying to get into any kind of battle of my pro vs. your pro. I didn't ask all the pro's at the tournament. I only asked a few, and what John said kind of stuck out to me. I have a lot of respect for Scott. I used to play him when he came to Omaha, NE when he lived in Des Moines, IA as a younger man. He's come a hell of a long way since then. Had I asked Scott what he thought, I would have stated his opinion instead.

I'm sure there's always going to be a reason why one person prefers one to the other, all you can do is take the advice in, and hopefully you make the right decision.;)
 
sjm said:
Cold Crowns were also in use at the World 14.1 Championships, and they played just about perfect and were very well-received by the participants.

Ultimately, this is like choosing between two classic cars. If you're playing on either a Diamond or a Gold Crown, you're sitting pretty and should be very happy for what you have.

Finally, I'll add that I don't see how tough a table plays to be an important measure of its quality. Any brand of table can be set up to play easy or tough. For 99.99% of all pool players, a table that plays tough is no better than a table that plays easy.
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you're right ! how could i forget that one. i was there in the chatroom for the whole thing. and updating the info thread lol.
 
One or another

I haven't played on diamonds much, it seems that Gold Crowns are more plentiful in this area (west-central Illinois).

I would be happy to have either one, but am going to buy a Gold Crown IV because it is available locally and the price is right. It will be a step up from my "Bristol by Brunswick."

The real trick will be finding a good mechanic to set it up.
 
AuntyDan said:
Sorry man, you've done as much as you can with the source material (The black skirts with the light-colored rails is a nice combination and obviously you have a lovely room) but for me every time I look at those damn squared-off corners I just cringe. If Diamond at least changed it to something more like the Gabriels Signature Pro it would make a huge improvement.

http://www.gabrielsbilliards.com/images/illustratie/pool.jpg

And have you even seen the legs? Square pedestals? It seems to me either Diamond make it this way because it's easier, or simply because they want it to NOT look like a Gold Crown with nice curves everywhere.
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Would you consider this to be an ugly Diamond 9ft table as well:grin: PARAGON-WHITE-BG - Copy.jpg
 
I don't like the legs too much, but the rails appear to be much better. Do you have any other pictures of this model? I don't see it on the Diamond website. Also is it internally built to the same standards as the Pro models, or is it cheaper furniture-style construction?
 
Fatboy said:
I am lucky enough to know the guys who own Diamond, and am very proud to call them friends. They build the best tournment boxes there are, the 1 piece slate is great, they can set up and break down a room fast. The tables are good 99% of the time, the Galvaston TV table with the "Devil pocket" was the exception not the rule. They are about the only table manufactors that are smart enough to still build their tables in America and still turn a welll deserved profit. I endorse their tables and have nothing bad to say about them.

I have both a Diamond and a GC5 in my house for the past 18 months. I'm very lucky to have such spoils.

I perfer Gold Crowns to Diamonds for playability. I dont like the bouncy cushions on Diamonds or the deep shelf pockets. There are too many old butchered GC's out there that I dont like either. I'm compairing new tables to new tables.

I dont understand the issue with pocket castings, if you have to worry about dinging you cue on them, you should: A. Drink less or B: Take up a different game, in 25 years of playing pool i have yet to ding my cue on any table. I dont buy that argument for a second.

If I had a tournment I'd 90% use Diamond tables, same if I opened a room. But thats business not my preferance.
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What's wrong with that table?
 
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