JC
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I'm not comparing any tables to the GC5.....all I said was the GC 5 is the best made table in the world......that's comparing it to every table.
Mark Gregory
You may be right.
Sadly
JC
I'm not comparing any tables to the GC5.....all I said was the GC 5 is the best made table in the world......that's comparing it to every table.
Mark Gregory
After a few days and many posts it still seems to me that buying a used GC is probably the best deal your going to get on a used table, especially if you can find one that was privately owned. There seems to be no question as to their quality of construction, they will definitely last a long time, and as far as the way they play it all comes down to personal preference. GCs don't play bad, only different than Diamonds, and there seems to be no shortage of people who do not love the way the Diamonds play.
Agree. Like I stated above, I've owned both and I'm lovin' my present GCII and wouldn't trade back. I'm really not sure how it would play better - that it plays to the present BCA standards in good enough for my needs. The concept of better seems rather subjective assuming the table wasn't beat to hell before acquisition. But, in the end it's all about personal perference.
I bought a privately owned GC 4 last year for 3k including new 860 and installation. I absolutely love it. The cushions are in excellent condition.
If the day ever comes where they need to be replaced, I wouldn't put Artemis with the modified wood rail angles if the mechanic did the job for free.
Diamond makes a great table. However, why they just didn't copy exactly the GC wood rail angles and cushion 30 years ago is beyond me. Then 3 years ago when they changed to the Blue labels they had the chance to do that, but still went in another direction.
I bought a privately owned GC 4 last year for 3k including new 860 and installation. I absolutely love it. The cushions are in excellent condition.
If the day ever comes where they need to be replaced, I wouldn't put Artemis with the modified wood rail angles if the mechanic did the job for free.
Diamond makes a great table. However, why they just didn't copy exactly the GC wood rail angles and cushion 30 years ago is beyond me. Then 3 years ago when they changed to the Blue labels they had the chance to do that, but still went in another direction.
The later 3's, all the 4's, and all the 5's have the same wood rail angles and the same rubber quality and cross section.
Well well..... We have a winner......a man that knows what's going on.From reading this forum, including many of your posts, not from personal experience, the #1's and #2's had monarch cushions which had a different profile.
The early 3's had rubber from a new supplier that went dead in a few short years.
The later 3's, all the 4's, and all the 5's have the same wood rail angles and the same rubber quality and cross section.
The first Diamond came out when the GC3 was the latest GC. In all those years, there hasn't been complaints of late GC3, any GC4, or any GC5 cushions. Yet, in all those years, there has been non-stop complaints about Diamond cushions, including the Blue labels.
So, I'll say it again, if Diamond had copied the GC rail and cushion design at some point in the companies history, there would not have been a single complaint about the rails. The only complaint would have been the pockets making the balls black.
Well well..... We have a winner......a man that knows what's going on.
You can't defend yourself on this forum.....but your 100 percent right.
I don't need to correct the guy that knows all the answers...but I'll tell y'all one thing.....I know the GC sub rails pretty good...I'm not the king of GC tables.....but I do know one thing for sure....the older the cloth get on a GC table.....the better the table plays...hmmm.....isn't that how you do it Glen....hmmm?
I can't beat you in a computer contest for sure....but I'll tell everyone this...I don't tell no bullshit.....I say what I know to be true....I don't turn things around on people to make myself look right.
I make mistakes all the time....but I Correct them all.....did I learn things from glen...I sure did......things that I was doing aready...but he showed me and easier way talking about shit over the phone.
Brunswick.....GC5 plays awesome out of the box....I'll tell you why Brunswick has made changes on there sub rails over the past 50 years....the nose was to high to start with and gradually lowered the sub rail over time...and a long with changing the specs of the super speed cushions.
Brunswick didn't want to make the change all in one swing.
The only trouble the GC 3 had was the cushions going bad...trying to keep up with demand from the movie (COM)....Brunswick has never had a problem with the playibility other than the 3 cushions for a short period.
I did my 5 with Artemis cushions and had very little step down.
Glen's a diamond guy...so he's going to defend diamonds....I'm just telling everyone witch is the best playing table of all tables....and again...it's the Brunswick Gold Crown 5....light years ahead of everyone.
I get nothing from Brunswick.../they won't even send me a shirt...and I offered to pay for it.
I'm telling everyone as a player/mechanic....don't worry....I know I'm going to get corrected....I just always get a kick out of how Glen. Has so many bull shit stories he come up with. Man....we all need to check Glen resume...some how some way....he has to be in politics. Lmao
Mark Gregory
Well well..... We have a winner......a man that knows what's going on.
You can't defend yourself on this forum.....but your 100 percent right.
I don't need to correct the guy that knows all the answers...but I'll tell y'all one thing.....I know the GC sub rails pretty good...I'm not the king of GC tables.....but I do know one thing for sure....the older the cloth get on a GC table.....the better the table plays...hmmm.....isn't that how you do it Glen....hmmm?
I can't beat you in a computer contest for sure....but I'll tell everyone this...I don't tell no bullshit.....I say what I know to be true....I don't turn things around on people to make myself look right.
I make mistakes all the time....but I Correct them all.....did I learn things from glen...I sure did......things that I was doing aready...but he showed me and easier way talking about shit over the phone.
Brunswick.....GC5 plays awesome out of the box....I'll tell you why Brunswick has made changes on there sub rails over the past 50 years....the nose was to high to start with and gradually lowered the sub rail over time...and a long with changing the specs of the super speed cushions.
Brunswick didn't want to make the change all in one swing.
The only trouble the GC 3 had was the cushions going bad...trying to keep up with demand from the movie (COM)....Brunswick has never had a problem with the playibility other than the 3 cushions for a short period.
I did my 5 with Artemis cushions and had very little step down.
Glen's a diamond guy...so he's going to defend diamonds....I'm just telling everyone witch is the best playing table of all tables....and again...it's the Brunswick Gold Crown 5....light years ahead of everyone.
I get nothing from Brunswick.../they won't even send me a shirt...and I offered to pay for it.
I'm telling everyone as a player/mechanic....don't worry....I know I'm going to get corrected....I just always get a kick out of how Glen. Has so many bull shit stories he come up with. Man....we all need to check Glen resume...some how some way....he has to be in politics. Lmao
Mark Gregory
Well well..... We have a winner......a man that knows what's going on.
You can't defend yourself on this forum.....but your 100 percent right.
I don't need to correct the guy that knows all the answers...but I'll tell y'all one thing.....I know the GC sub rails pretty good...I'm not the king of GC tables.....but I do know one thing for sure....the older the cloth get on a GC table.....the better the table plays...hmmm.....isn't that how you do it Glen....hmmm?
I can't beat you in a computer contest for sure....but I'll tell everyone this...I don't tell no bullshit.....I say what I know to be true....I don't turn things around on people to make myself look right.
I make mistakes all the time....but I Correct them all.....did I learn things from glen...I sure did......things that I was doing aready...but he showed me and easier way talking about shit over the phone.
Brunswick.....GC5 plays awesome out of the box....I'll tell you why Brunswick has made changes on there sub rails over the past 50 years....the nose was to high to start with and gradually lowered the sub rail over time...and a long with changing the specs of the super speed cushions.
Brunswick didn't want to make the change all in one swing.
The only trouble the GC 3 had was the cushions going bad...trying to keep up with demand from the movie (COM)....Brunswick has never had a problem with the playibility other than the 3 cushions for a short period.
I did my 5 with Artemis cushions and had very little step down.
Glen's a diamond guy...so he's going to defend diamonds....I'm just telling everyone witch is the best playing table of all tables....and again...it's the Brunswick Gold Crown 5....light years ahead of everyone.
I get nothing from Brunswick.../they won't even send me a shirt...and I offered to pay for it.
I'm telling everyone as a player/mechanic....don't worry....I know I'm going to get corrected....I just always get a kick out of how Glen. Has so many bull shit stories he come up with. Man....we all need to check Glen resume...some how some way....he has to be in politics. Lmao
Mark Gregory
Well well..... We have a winner......a man that knows what's going on.
You can't defend yourself on this forum.....but your 100 percent right.
I don't need to correct the guy that knows all the answers...but I'll tell y'all one thing.....I know the GC sub rails pretty good...I'm not the king of GC tables.....but I do know one thing for sure....the older the cloth get on a GC table.....the better the table plays...hmmm.....isn't that how you do it Glen....hmmm?
I can't beat you in a computer contest for sure....but I'll tell everyone this...I don't tell no bullshit.....I say what I know to be true....I don't turn things around on people to make myself look right.
I make mistakes all the time....but I Correct them all.....did I learn things from glen...I sure did......things that I was doing aready...but he showed me and easier way talking about shit over the phone.
Brunswick.....GC5 plays awesome out of the box....I'll tell you why Brunswick has made changes on there sub rails over the past 50 years....the nose was to high to start with and gradually lowered the sub rail over time...and a long with changing the specs of the super speed cushions.
Brunswick didn't want to make the change all in one swing.
The only trouble the GC 3 had was the cushions going bad...trying to keep up with demand from the movie (COM)....Brunswick has never had a problem with the playibility other than the 3 cushions for a short period.
I did my 5 with Artemis cushions and had very little step down.
Glen's a diamond guy...so he's going to defend diamonds....I'm just telling everyone witch is the best playing table of all tables....and again...it's the Brunswick Gold Crown 5....light years ahead of everyone.
I get nothing from Brunswick.../they won't even send me a shirt...and I offered to pay for it.
I'm telling everyone as a player/mechanic....don't worry....I know I'm going to get corrected....I just always get a kick out of how Glen. Has so many bull shit stories he come up with. Man....we all need to check Glen resume...some how some way....he has to be in politics. Lmao
Mark Gregory
Glen, I used to play at a pool hall that had Gandy Big G tables.I sent a customer to you from NC that wanted his Gandy Big G rails rebuilt and calibrated...you must not be able to work on them either because you gave him the same answer....Gandy's are shit tables....but I'll sell you a GC4 for $3,500 instead, of course the rails have been all reworked by you, pockets as well....but I wonder, have you fixed the end frame sag on the GC4's you're offering for sale instead of taking on the requested work?
Don't get me wrong Joey, Brunswick's and now Diamond's have always been my favorite tables to play on, and only recently I liked playing on the Diamond's....after I made the rail change design.Glen, I used to play at a pool hall that had Gandy Big G tables.
I'm not going to say they are pos tables but when I saw a mechanic change cloth there one time, it gave me the impression they were pos. He was beating on some piece of metal before he remounted the rails and blinds.
The table would swayed if you accidentally nudge the rails. I looked under the table once to look at the frame . It was nothing like compared to the AMF Grand Prix and GC. Also the rails seemed narrower. The cushions also had these waves. They were nearly new tables . The owner did not want to pay for GC3 and he got those.
Years later they couldn't give away those tables for less than 1K.
Meanwhile 1 hour north of that place, world class pros were raving how well the GC 2's and III's were playing at Hard Times. Millions of dollars have been gambled in there.
Mark....Mark....Mark, buddy....if you have the SKILLS to make a GC play at it's best, them same skills are used to make OTHER tables play at their best as well....wouldn't you agree?...or can you ONLY work on Brunswick's?
I can make Brunswick's AND Diamond's play at their best, in fact, I can throw in some Gandy Big G's in there as well....can't you?
You ARE a full blown, Professional table mechanic....right?
Glen
Glen, I'm sure the Big G can be fixed to play well.Don't get me wrong Joey, Brunswick's and now Diamond's have always been my favorite tables to play on, and only recently I liked playing on the Diamond's....after I made the rail change design.
BUT....as a table mechanic, I work on pool tables, but I don't work on junk just to get paid. That being said, Gandy Big G is kind of where I draw the line on the bottom side of what I'll work on...as, it's still worth while to fix them up....sometimes....LOL
I'm with everyone else in the since that I grew up on Sportkings, GC1's & 2's as well as Anni's and Cent's....but, the tables back then...are not the same tables today. Today, they're tired, worn out and are all in need of either being replaced with newer tables, or in bad need of being rebuilt...the latter being the hardest part of this, as there are only a FEW mechanic's in this country that can even come close to doing the job right, though there's plenty that would lead you to believe otherwise...hahaha....right! They...for the most part are the reason they're in such bad condition...LMAO
So, Gandy's....hmmmm, just once in a while I'll work on them...as an exception to the rule of only working on quality tables to begin with.
A GOOD table mechanic can work on anything, and make anything play better or even great....the question becomes the ROI....is it worth it, or are you just breaking even in the end.
Glen
Wow Mark...you're still not doing anything I haven't done in the past, but by your own admission....you're one dementinal, you seem to only be able to work with Brunswick superspeed cushions in the K55 profile. The real test would be to calibrate the Gandy rails to take the Artemis K66 pool cushions so that the cue ball will go 5 times back and forth the lenght of the table, and 9 banks around....same as, and no different than a GC with Super speed cushions will do, no more....no less.Ur so stupid it unbelievable. I put super speed cushions in Gandys. Lots of work to the sub rails....I convert snooker tables to pool tables....I convert billiard tables to pool tables....and oh yes. I do believe Greg owner of diamond drive 8 hrs to play on the table I did....after playing on the table for 3 or 4 hours looked at me and said mark as much as I hate to say it....this table plays better than any GC or diamond table I ever played on....and he said and I own diamond.
Greg came to my shop the next morning took me to breakfast came back to the shop....called u on the phone and cussed u like a dog.
U remembering yet....went back to Diamond and started to make the changes to his rails to the specs I was using.
Then u call and said we can't figure out how to tell the difference between the old diamonds and the new rail fix...I was the one that told u to change the color on The logo.
Believe me....I do....have done....and will continue to do the complete table...please stop trying to convince people I can't do any table...makes you look stupid.
Your a very good mechanic....but your not me....get over it.
Let me know it you need more questions answered so you can post them on here as yours....no doubt....your the greatest. Lmao
I truly believe your starting to lose the RKC fan club fast.
We can keep going as long as you like.....you don't up set me....I love a good laugh. And your the perfect guy to laugh with.
RKC forum.....everyone be careful....glen will have you removed.
Now the gloves are off....bring it chump....stings to not be the greatest...lmao
I'm surely not the greatest....but I'm in front of you. Lmao
Mark Gregory