Good Bye Pool, Hello Gym...
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Little known fact....Weight training is "cardio". Any exercise you do is cardio(eg works your heart). And to "torch fat" you need to burn calories.
Eric,
I too know why the caged bird signs. I am only 33, but a motorcycle accident on my last day of college 12 years ago left me with a couple of herniated disks. It wasn't until recently that a physical therapist realized my hips where off and pulled me in line with time. I wear a back brace to the gym, and I can only do reclined bicycle for cardio.
I couldn't walk across a street without being in serious pain, but justified pool by the stretching across the table.
What people who don't have back problems don't understand is the vulnerability ones feels when in pain. Most anyone could walk most of the day, but i couldn't go 10 feet without debilitaing pain? It is difficult to be in a good mood when in pain.
I suggest heat therapy and a natural muscle relaxer, I cook with cannabis. Big Pharm is too likely to ply you with pills after pills. Granted I don't know how bad your back is. Fused yet? If some home remedies might help, shoot me a pm and I'd be happy to help out a bad back.
Patrick
Have you looked into the possibility of piriformus syndrome? Again, I don't know your back problems. Piridormus is when the sciatic runs through, instead of around the piriformus. Roughly 15-30% of folks have it. Back problems are generally a mix of muscles out of wack in how they hold the body together.
My other .02's, suspenders and good shoes. Merrill and Keen seem to be consistently nice on my back, or at least amazing insoles.
I too know why the caged bird signs. I am only 33, but a motorcycle accident on my last day of college 12 years ago left me with a couple of herniated disks. It wasn't until recently that a physical therapist realized my hips where off and pulled me in line with time. I wear a back brace to the gym, and I can only do reclined bicycle for cardio.
I couldn't walk across a street without being in serious pain, but justified pool by the stretching across the table.
What people who don't have back problems don't understand is the vulnerability ones feels when in pain. Most anyone could walk most of the day, but i couldn't go 10 feet without debilitaing pain? It is difficult to be in a good mood when in pain.
I suggest heat therapy and a natural muscle relaxer, I cook with cannabis. Big Pharm is too likely to ply you with pills after pills. Granted I don't know how bad your back is. Fused yet? If some home remedies might help, shoot me a pm and I'd be happy to help out a bad back.
Patrick
Have you looked into the possibility of piriformus syndrome? Again, I don't know your back problems. Piridormus is when the sciatic runs through, instead of around the piriformus. Roughly 15-30% of folks have it. Back problems are generally a mix of muscles out of wack in how they hold the body together.
My other .02's, suspenders and good shoes. Merrill and Keen seem to be consistently nice on my back, or at least amazing insoles.
Good luck with your training...Hopefully I'll get back into it soon...I use to be proud of my six pack...not so proud of the keg..lol...All the years i did workout I just read a article where I've been doing things backward..We use to always do cardio 1st to get th blood going then hit the weights but come to find out..you should do just stretching & stuff then do weight...then finish with cardio for best results..Guess goes to show you that there's always a better way & room for improvement...take care buddy...Troy
Troy then next month they will print the opposite in the same bodybuilding magazine,have u ever notice,how u will read ,do this dont do that,then all of a sudden, the next magazine will tell u different,i believe as long as u r in the gym doing something ,there is no wrong and right,as long as you know how to train the rite way with out getting hurt!
You right about that...The hardest part about going to the gym is stepping through the front door...It's so easy to not make time for the gym...once you make it a habit it all falls into place.
Awesome story about Jay. He has always stuck me as someone who lives life to his fullest. It's also nice to hear he does.I've always had mad respect for those who are that dedicated at anything.They are high on life.
Regarding training,one thing i've always noticed that constant exercise does is restore or generate self confidence. Personally i've always felt that the confidence gained can also help other aspects of your life(including your pool game).
Good to hear you are back.
That's one of my biggest problems with reading every piece of data regarding your exercise interests (or diets). People are so caught up with diets or different training regimens,that they won't go balls deep in one and actually give it time to show results. It's one thing to optimize what you are doing. It's another thing to over think it so much that you are questioning every single time you train(or eat).
I think that is related to a prior discussion in this thread. Hiring someone who knows exactly what you are shooting for will cut your goal timing down remarkably. Even pro's have trainers and dietitians for a reason.
As someone was mentioning, p90x is a very good workout. I am in my third round now on the 7th week and it is a very good program. You can also start out with the original p90 workout. It is a 6 day a week program that starts out 35 minutes a day for the first 45 days and steps it up to 45 minutes a day after that. I am 6 ft 6 in and started with this program last February with a friend that is 6 ft 11 in. I went from 243 down to 208 and abs the first 90 days and my friend went from 452 to below 400 lbs. I went on to the p90x which is alot more time consuming and dropped down to 197 lbs, layed off until I starting slowing down with business this year and started the 3rd round 8 weeks ago. The p90x is an hour and fifteen minutes per day including the ab ripper DVD and a whopping hour and a half on yoga day. If you have any interest in the p90 DVDs to get started shoot me a pm and I can send you a couple of copies. 35 minutes a day and it is a fat burner if you eat right during the whole time although the dieting is the most difficult part definitely.
Yes... and even more so if you move from set to set with no rest in between. The more muscle you have, the higher your matabolism will be and the more calories you will burn even at rest. 1 pound of muscle uses more calories per day than one pound of fat does. So lets all get up and make some muskels. Same with my dog...:smile:
Your friend is 6' 11" and weighs 400lbs? Holy shit!
If your friend is 100 on his height and weight then he is built basically Paul Wight, or is Paul.
You'd live pretty close to him anyway and he was on that p90x too.
You'd live pretty close to him anyway and he was on that p90x too.
not that anyone really cares, I have zero fat on my legs, glutes. 99.454532% of my body fat is in my belly and C-cup tits
I have man boobs my whole life. Never got gyno on the roids(thank god-or I would be a circus freak now).I have weight trained 5 times and gained 11 pounds 239-251.1(muscle memory) I havent been eating much either. And eating REAL clean. Been doing cardio too.
I'm gonnna end up 270-280 if I keep weight training, I havent even trained heavy. This is real real bad, I lost around 30 pounds of muscle and gained 35ish pounds of fat over the past 5 years. I could add that 35 pounds of muscle back fast and look like hell and crush my heart with a body weight of 270-280.
so what i'm doing is lots of cardio and minimal weights until the fat drops, If I just do cardio i'll burn of what muscle I have left, so I need some resistance training to keep the muscle I have and lose the fat. Muscle burns before fat(The most difficult thing in BBing to get big and lean). The word lean and my name have never been used in the same sentence LOL. Unless the word "not" is in that sentence.
Just before my back went out I was out of the gym for 8 months while my moms cancerwas finishing up, i had a car accident that kept me out of the gym. I started the gym at 245-a much better 245 than I am now, I blew up to 268 with 4 abs(the biggest I ever got), I have one pic of that. I never did get pics of me at 240-245 in my best condition(I'll never look like that again.) I have 2 hernias(inoperable) so i'll always have a fat round stomach, time takes its toll so all I can do is the best with what I have, that holds true for all of us in pool, gym, work, education, life. I dont deserve a free pass-but I hate the body O was born with. I like my brain but a different body would be nice, my back has hurt for years, i have had to struggle with weight gain since I was 5 years old. Even my pee pee....well never mind. I aint Tony Watson :O
I feel great, back still hurts some, but no worse than the past few months.
I'm gonna keep the cardio up, and i'm getting in the mood to play. There is a BarBox at the tattoo shop, I was there the other night getting some work done and hit balls for 15 minutes, i missed 3 balls with a flat tip and no chalk. I felt solid and fluid, I'm gonna play some this week but Gym is top priority, I like cardio so its not a pain in the ass for me. I like getting big better but I must burn the fat off first then it will get fun after a couple months of 80% cardio/20% resistance training. When I can focus on getting big thats when the fun begins, I'm not going to try and get as big as I was, I'm 44 those days are over. But I an focus on quality muscle and symmetry(making the overll look of my body look its best, making the ratio of muscle groups the correct size to look the best) for example Arnold years ago when he competed weighed 215-220 but because he had small bone structure and nice full muscle bodies he looked amazing. You can only go so far with this, its genetically limited, kinda like natural talent in pool. If you got it and work hard your on the Mosconi Cup, if you dont have "it" you just become a solid player. My arms are way too skinny for my body size 18 58" i best they ever got, which at 200 pounds is a good bicept at 260 its too skinny I needed 21" arms. But I cant get them there no matter what. there are many similarities in pool/body building.
By the Derby I'll be inshape, instead of getting ready to play pool and be instroke for the Derby, my goal is to look good there, LOL well the best I can look, which aint all that.
Oh yeah the "Fatboy Challenge" will be at the Derby this year(but until its formally announced by Jay no sign-ups etc), I owed Jay a apology and Greg as well, over something that I was out of line on last year. I was under lots of stress and went off on Jay, I apologized to him now right here in public and In private months ago.
Sadly I still aint made a dollar since May 08, so its the same thing as before-i'm adding $5,000. Soon as I start making $$$ again things will grow. for now like I told Greg; "Fatboy" brand is on life support. Soon as Eric makes $$$ things WILL happen. Were making a couple small changes this year, but its still 16 players. We did discuss some other stuff for future events, which will be largely dependent on Jay, Greg Sillivan(diamond Tables) and to a lesser extent Fatboy. Thank those 2 guys, not me.
Jay I hope yu read this and I'm sorry for going off last year. It was 100% out of line and my fault. Also The reason I disappeared right after that was the flu, Shannon was kind enuff to drive in to Louisville for my meds and JA and Shawn Putnam brought me food to the room(Ice Cream), I didnt leave the room from Tuesday(?) nite until Sunday morning. I was in the room 1005 of the time, I was too sick to leave the room. I was shaking from the chills so bad I had a filling fall out of my tooth. I dont know who won the Fatboy Challenge last year. I was not ducking you by not being there. I'm telling you this in public and you can ask JA, Shawn or Shannon/Marge how sick I was. I'm sincerly sorry for what I said and did. Sometimes in life you empty both barrels on the ones you love or are closest too-thats what happened here, no excuses. I hope you accept my apology, and we can put it in the past 100%. If you cant I respect that and will suffer the concinquences. I cant recall ever going off like that on anyone before in pool or out of pool. Thats not how I roll. Stress is all I can think that would make me act out like that. I was under the most stress I can ever remember at that point and I snapped. I give you my word that aint ever gonna happen again, hell-it never happened in my life that I can recall.
Someday I'll post a thread on the whole "Fatboy" thing. Why I have done what I have and what i'd like to do in the future. I will say this and I know some ppl will not believe me, my goal at the end of the day is to put $$ in players pockets. period. Its not a ego trip for me. Sure its fun to be known by lots of people(my fans
, and haters:smile
but thats not what drives me. I want to see players-guys/girls I dont know make $$$ for playing good. A real profession, I have taken shots at becoming the best I could for years at a time and I just dont have it to be a champion, maybe I would be if I had Stan Shuffet when I was 12-when I hit my first ball, who knows or cares. Since I have had a taste of how hard it is to play ata level good enuff to earn a living and guys who can give me the 5-out and the pop make $32,500/year is just rediclous. I want to see players make respectable $$$. The $5,000 I add every year is a joke-Like I said i'm on life support. When I'm back in the chips again(and I will be) then "Fatboy" will mean something to the players. Thats my goal and motivation(short version).ok writing practice is over for the day!!, thats getting much better too
always on the improve
eric
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yup your 100% correct and thats how I'm training right now, it works good too, you can move less weight(easier on the joints) and break down lots of muscle fiber at the same time.
In south Africa I have a friend who is like Billy Cardone is in pool, I seen some before /after pics of some competitive BBers he has trained useing the "you do 10 reps hand me the wirght I do 10 and pass it back". in 45 minutes its one hell of a workout, i'm not in good enough condition for that action right now. That will kick anyones ass even in peak condition.
yup, yup and yup. I have guys I can train with in Venice who are trainers/retired pro's and the same in Vegas too. Because I trained for about 15 years and was lucky enough to meet great guys right when I started I learned so much that for now I'm ok training alone. But when I get to a certain spot then, yes 100% I'll train with someone. I still know everyone, they miss me, I just got the worst roll ever with my back(degenerative disc disease).
Funny thing every time in life I wanted to grow my business or do better(not just making more $$) I mean set a goal for my biz(for example make it more stable or find better vendors, create a new department, cut costs so I could retain the earnings to expand the biz etc etc etc). EVERY single time I set out to improve my biz the harder I worked in the gym the faster I could reach my goals. There is a direct connection between taining hard and achieving your goals.
And I wasnt playing much pool for 6 years and when I did play I remember asking my self "This sure did seem harder when its all I was doing". My friend from Zimbabwe came over, he likes pool and try and find a box in Zim, LOL aint gonna happen. We played for an hour and I broke and ran so many racks I couldnt believe it was me. He "Didnt realize I played so good", I told him I dont play like this often(in the past, at the time I was playing 1-2 times a month). I was thinking at the time "man If I would have been in the gym and played years ago, I sure would have done better".
Even after my first back operation, I was still in ok gym condition, 5 weeks post op I was in Germany got a cue and was playing short rack(6-ball) playing the ghost and winning 11-2;11-3 never worse than 11-5. I didnt win 11-0. And I was high as a kite on pills and in massive pain, hadnt played in months yet pool seemed easy. 3 years later in the same room, table (my last operation) I went there and was beating the 6 ball ghost 11-4 or 5. Not once did I beat it 11-1;11-2 like I did when I had some level of fitness left in my body.
I had been playing pool full time for a couple years and played worse than I did when I had "some" fitness left in my body on the first trip. I hope i made that clear, point is when your fitness level is high your game will be better, i'm sure its impact is more or less from person to person. For me it appears to be big, I dont really know yet-because I have never played pool full time and been fir, its always one or the other. I might get lucky and get a ball better just by being fit, my weakness in pool (except 1P) is physical, I cant execute like I would like to, maybe when I'm in shape I'll be able to have a better mind body connection.
Jay Cutler is one of the best people I have ever known, forget bodybuilding, I'm talking about the man., He hasnt lived life to its fullest. reason being is getting preped for the O is a 24/7/365 with out a day off program, if he dont someone else will. So to quote him "Body Building is a very selfish thing for me, I am not there for my family, friends like I should be, because I have to eat, sleep and train with out interruption.". I believe Jay's life will start when he retires. He stopped competing in the Arnold Classic every year about 5 or 6 years ago, he won it everytime easy. He made about $80,000 from it every year. He told me( didnt read any of his quotes here, they are from out conversations); he told me "I cant peak 2 times a years and be my best at the "O", since the O is more important to me, I decided to focus on it 100%. I was kinda wrried Arnold would be pissed but after I thought about it I knew he would understand because he knows what it takes to win the O". When he did tell Arnold he did understand and Jay went on to win the O a few times. Jay was a big draw for the Arnold Classic, while his dropping out of it was missed it was the right decision. The year Dexter won, jay got a bug just before the O and was flat-he told me he was lucky to get 2nd, I thought so too. just bad timing. I didnt ask him what his plans are for the future. Also I wouldnt post anything without his permission, what I just wrote is public information. And writing practice for me.
best
eric
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not that anyone really cares, I have zero fat on my legs, glutes. 99.454532% of my body fat is in my belly and C-cup tits
I have weight trained 5 times and gained 11 pounds 239-251.1(muscle memory) I havent been eating much either. And eating REAL clean. Been doing cardio too.
I'm gonnna end up 270-280 if I keep weight training, I havent even trained heavy. This is real real bad, I lost around 30 pounds of muscle and gained 35ish pounds of fat over the past 5 years. I could add that 35 pounds of muscle back fast and look like hell and crush my heart with a body weight of 270-280.
so what i'm doing is lots of cardio and minimal weights until the fat drops, If I just do cardio i'll burn of what muscle I have left, so I need some resistance training to keep the muscle I have and lose the fat. Muscle burns before fat(The most difficult thing in BBing to get big and lean). The word lean and my name have never been used in the same sentence LOL. Unless the word "not" is in that sentence.
Just before my back went out I was out of the gym for 8 months while my moms cancerwas finishing up, i had a car accident that kept me out of the gym. I started the gym at 245-a much better 245 than I am now, I blew up to 268 with 4 abs(the biggest I ever got), I have one pic of that. I never did get pics of me at 240-245 in my best condition(I'll never look like that again.) I have 2 hernias(inoperable) so i'll always have a fat round stomach, time takes its toll so all I can do is the best with what I have, that holds true for all of us in pool, gym, work, education, life. I dont deserve a free pass-but I hate the body O was born with. I like my brain but a different body would be nice, my back has hurt for years, i have had to struggle with weight gain since I was 5 years old. Even my pee pee....well never mind. I aint Tony Watson :O
I feel great, back still hurts some, but no worse than the past few months.
I'm gonna keep the cardio up, and i'm getting in the mood to play. There is a BarBox at the tattoo shop, I was there the other night getting some work done and hit balls for 15 minutes, i missed 3 balls with a flat tip and no chalk. I felt solid and fluid, I'm gonna play some this week but Gym is top priority, I like cardio so its not a pain in the ass for me. I like getting big better but I must burn the fat off first then it will get fun after a couple months of 80% cardio/20% resistance training. When I can focus on getting big thats when the fun begins, I'm not going to try and get as big as I was, I'm 44 those days are over. But I an focus on quality muscle and symmetry(making the overll look of my body look its best, making the ratio of muscle groups the correct size to look the best) for example Arnold years ago when he competed weighed 215-220 but because he had small bone structure and nice full muscle bodies he looked amazing. You can only go so far with this, its genetically limited, kinda like natural talent in pool. If you got it and work hard your on the Mosconi Cup, if you dont have "it" you just become a solid player. My arms are way too skinny for my body size 18 58" i best they ever got, which at 200 pounds is a good bicept at 260 its too skinny I needed 21" arms. But I cant get them there no matter what. there are many similarities in pool/body building.
By the Derby I'll be inshape, instead of getting ready to play pool and be instroke for the Derby, my goal is to look good there, LOL well the best I can look, which aint all that.
Oh yeah the "Fatboy Challenge" will be at the Derby this year(but until its formally announced by Jay no sign-ups etc), I owed Jay a apology and Greg as well, over something that I was out of line on last year. I was under lots of stress and went off on Jay, I apologized to him now right here in public and In private months ago.
Sadly I still aint made a dollar since May 08, so its the same thing as before-i'm adding $5,000. Soon as I start making $$$ again things will grow. for now like I told Greg; "Fatboy" brand is on life support. Soon as Eric makes $$$ things WILL happen. Were making a couple small changes this year, but its still 16 players. We did discuss some other stuff for future events, which will be largely dependent on Jay, Greg Sillivan(diamond Tables) and to a lesser extent Fatboy. Thank those 2 guys, not me.
Jay I hope yu read this and I'm sorry for going off last year. It was 100% out of line and my fault. Also The reason I disappeared right after that was the flu, Shannon was kind enuff to drive in to Louisville for my meds and JA and Shawn Putnam brought me food to the room(Ice Cream), I didnt leave the room from Tuesday(?) nite until Sunday morning. I was in the room 1005 of the time, I was too sick to leave the room. I was shaking from the chills so bad I had a filling fall out of my tooth. I dont know who won the Fatboy Challenge last year. I was not ducking you by not being there. I'm telling you this in public and you can ask JA, Shawn or Shannon/Marge how sick I was. I'm sincerly sorry for what I said and did. Sometimes in life you empty both barrels on the ones you love or are closest too-thats what happened here, no excuses. I hope you accept my apology, and we can put it in the past 100%. If you cant I respect that and will suffer the concinquences. I cant recall ever going off like that on anyone before in pool or out of pool. Thats not how I roll. Stress is all I can think that would make me act out like that. I was under the most stress I can ever remember at that point and I snapped. I give you my word that aint ever gonna happen again, hell-it never happened in my life that I can recall.
Someday I'll post a thread on the whole "Fatboy" thing. Why I have done what I have and what i'd like to do in the future. I will say this and I know some ppl will not believe me, my goal at the end of the day is to put $$ in players pockets. period. Its not a ego trip for me. Sure its fun to be known by lots of people(my fans
ok writing practice is over for the day!!, thats getting much better too
always on the improve
eric
Apology accepted. Thanks for saying this publicly, that took a lot of heart to do. :thumbup2: