Got Strong-Armed for my Winnings Last Night (long story, small amount, but amazing)

[blah blah]

there's a lot of talk about how "nice" it is to carry a gun...

My family is full of gun nuts over many generations. We have a lot of rules and thought about guns.

Just carrying a gun can be dangerous. Before you decide to carry one or not, reconcile with yourself whether or not you'd really use it. That answer has got to be yes if you're going to go there. No empty threats. And you have to be okay with the possibility/ probability of killing someone- on purpose or by accident.

You also have to accept that any weapon you carry can be taken away and turned against you. Whether it's a knife or a gun or even pepper spray, the other guy (or someone else) can conceivably have a chance of getting a hold of it and using it on you.

I won't carry a gun outside (still sleep with one) because all of those answers are "no."

 

[1pRoscoe]

This is why concealment is the best, but most illegal approach.

I love living in Texas and having a CHL.

 

[TATE]

You also have to accept that any weapon you carry can be taken away and turned against you. Whether it's a knife or a gun, the other guy (or someone else) can conceivably have a chance of getting a hold of it and using it on you. This is why concealment is the best, but most illegal approach.

If you do all of this thinking and accepting in advance, your "cool head" (reaction times and lessened shock factor) could be more reliable...

On the other hand, I did all of that thinking and prep when I was young and dumb. I won't carry a gun outside now (still sleep with one) because many of those answers turned to "no" as I got older and wiser.

Although I own guns, I would not arbitrarily walk around carrying a gun or knife expecting trouble.

The video of the Rolling Stones concert murder in 1969 changed my opinion on the usefulness of carrying a gun. For those who never saw it, while the group played, cameras caught a guy flashing a gun at some bikers who were bothering him. Before you know it, one of the bikers strolled along like he was walking by, turned and in an instant stuck a knife in the guys chest before he could even reach for the gun - all of it caught on tape. Flashing the gun got that guy killed.

Chris

 

[ShootingArts]

flashing is foolish

Although I own guns, I would not arbitrarily walk around carrying a gun or knife expecting trouble.

The video of the Rolling Stones concert murder in 1969 changed my opinion on the usefulness of carrying a gun. For those who never saw it, while the group played, cameras caught a guy flashing a gun at some bikers who were bothering him. Before you know it, one of the bikers strolled along like he was walking by, turned and in an instant stuck a knife in the guys chest before he could even reach for the gun - all of it caught on tape. Flashing the gun got that guy killed.

Chris

Chris,

You covered it with the last line. Flashing the gun got the guy killed. Aside from that flashing a gun is illegal even if you have a permit.

Hu

 

[647km2]

Well,if i were u,eventhough i am just 14,i will beat that bouncer guy up.Nobody beats me after losing their money and threaten me to give him back the money.That's sore loser.

But the part when ur at the restroom,where he asked u for the $15,u should had give him,cause the story ended up still u gave him the $15 after getting a punch on ur face.So i rather give him the money at the restroom,and not get beaten up,then got beaten up and gave him the money.

But if that happens to me,when he beat me up and asked me for the money,i will tell that guy to dream on,and will take the cue,and start a fight with him.

 

[Purdman]

Chris,

You covered it with the last line. Flashing the gun got the guy killed. Aside from that flashing a gun is illegal even if you have a permit.

Hu

I have said this once and I will say it again. DON"T EVER FLASH YOUR WAD OR YOUR ROD. Don't tell anybody you got it and don't pull it out unless you are going to use it. This applies to both. I wouldn't shoot you for my car or my cash. You threaten me or my family and you will hear the shot and see the flash. That is all there is to it. I am 55 and still walking around. This has been my policy for 37 years.
Purdman

 

[chefjeff]

For those concerned with whether the cueball was in or out of the kitchen, Here's an idea he could have used:

When they said the ob was in the kitchen, you could have said "OK" and then set the cueball right next to the ob (obviously out of the kitchen) and kick at the ob. If they complained to you that the cb was out of the kitchen, you could've claimed the same was true for the ob and therefore won the argument.

There's a league in town that actually has two rules for what's in or out of the kitchen, one for the ob and one for the cb. Makes for great arguments, but few beatings.

Jeff Livingston

 

[Rickw]

I went to a bar once with my bowling team. There were two bar tables there. I was practicing on one and then two guys started playing on the other table. After they played one game, they asked me to play and I agreed. Just after I put the money in and the balls started dropping, the guy I'm playing says, "The game is for $5." I nodded okay and racked the balls. Well this guy didn't have a tinker's chance in Hell and I won the game. The other guy comes over and puts his money in the table and says, "Same game." I nod again and I beat him pretty easy too. This goes on and on until I'm up about $40. The bar is right behind us and there is a group of guys lined up and I suddenly realize that these two yahoos are with them and they're crying about me beating them. There are probably 6 guys altogether. I was about 35 years old and it was only about 2 years since I taught martial arts. The style I taught emphasized the use of weapons and since I had a cue in my hands, I actually didn't feel too threatened so I kept playing these guys until they finally had enough. The leader of this group started talking about how he loved to fight and beat people up. It started to get a little scary so I just started leaning up against the wall with my cue in my hands. I never said a word and I never backed up. They couldn't figure me out because it's kind of like poker, you don't want to give them a "tell". They just couldn't figure me out and I walked out of there with my cue out of the case and in my hand smiling at them as I backed out of the door. Nothing ever happened so I guess what I did was correct.

My suggestion to you and others is, keep you mouth shut and your eyes open. You should have quit as soon as you saw them cheating you. I wouldn't have called them anything, I would have just said, "Hey, you think it's in the kitchen and I don't. Let's just call it a wash and agree that there's no sense in us playing anymore."

 

[cuejoey]

I went to a bar once with my bowling team. There were two bar tables there. I was practicing on one and then two guys started playing on the other table. After they played one game, they asked me to play and I agreed. Just after I put the money in and the balls started dropping, the guy I'm playing says, "The game is for $5." I nodded okay and racked the balls. Well this guy didn't have a tinker's chance in Hell and I won the game. The other guy comes over and puts his money in the table and says, "Same game." I nod again and I beat him pretty easy too. This goes on and on until I'm up about $40. The bar is right behind us and there is a group of guys lined up and I suddenly realize that these two yahoos are with them and they're crying about me beating them. There are probably 6 guys altogether. I was about 35 years old and it was only about 2 years since I taught martial arts. The style I taught emphasized the use of weapons and since I had a cue in my hands, I actually didn't feel too threatened so I kept playing these guys until they finally had enough. The leader of this group started talking about how he loved to fight and beat people up. It started to get a little scary so I just started leaning up against the wall with my cue in my hands. I never said a word and I never backed up. They couldn't figure me out because it's kind of like poker, you don't want to give them a "tell". They just couldn't figure me out and I walked out of there with my cue out of the case and in my hand smiling at them as I backed out of the door. Nothing ever happened so I guess what I did was correct.

My suggestion to you and others is, keep you mouth shut and your eyes open. You should have quit as soon as you saw them cheating you. I wouldn't have called them anything, I would have just said, "Hey, you think it's in the kitchen and I don't. Let's just call it a wash and agree that there's no sense in us playing anymore."

great advice

 

[alstl]

there's a lot of talk about how "nice" it is to carry a gun...

My family is full of gun nuts over many generations. We have a lot of rules and thought about guns.

Just carrying a gun can be dangerous. Before you decide to carry one or not, reconcile with yourself whether or not you'd really use it. That answer has got to be yes if you're going to go there. No empty threats. And you have to be okay with the possibility/ probability of killing someone- on purpose or by accident.

You also have to accept that any weapon you carry can be taken away and turned against you. Whether it's a knife or a gun or even pepper spray, the other guy (or someone else) can conceivably have a chance of getting a hold of it and using it on you.

I won't carry a gun outside (still sleep with one) because all of those answers are "no."

Very good post, some people carry a gun for a sense of security but never think about the potential consequences. 25% of cops who die every year are killed with their own gun. If you are going to carry a gun remember one thing, every conflict you enter into is going to be an armed conflict because you are introducing a gun into the situation. Missouri has a concealed/carry law and I'd venture to say the vast majority of people who have permits have no idea about handgun retention, how to conceal it or anything else other than how to point it and pull the trigger.

 

[1pRoscoe]

I'd venture to say the vast majority of people who have permits have no idea about handgun retention, how to conceal it or anything else other than how to point it and pull the trigger.

What's sad is I'd venture to say that you are accurate.....

although I'm not one of them.

 

[LastTwo]

True, but this was 40 years ago LOL. And Papa Joe's went belly up. Too many fights - like every night.

Oh, BTW, there is a bar on Rt. 1 in Maryland where on a Saturday night you will see about 100 bikers. The parking lot is so full they just park next door in the shopping center.

One of my best friends used to bartend there and he said there was a fight there every night. He talked me in to going there one night - never again. My wife's stupid sister couldn't wait to see a fight. Lucky we were near the front door when something broke out. She wanted to stay and watch and I just grabbed her and carried her out the front door. The fight bled outside and she was forced to admit that she was lucky to get the hell out of there.

Do you seriously think for one second that if you pulled your phone out and threatened to call the police in front of the bartender that you would actually survive? Man, you must lead a very very very sheltered life.

My point is that there are some bars you just don't pull this sh*t in. If you don't get it then you most likely never will.

I thought oompa loompas lead sheltered lives. This is 2005, wake up.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

The worst... I was playing a guy for $5 a game... he wins the 1st game & I'm racking... while I rack, his buddy on a barstool behind me starts rubbing his cue up & down the inside of my leg. I was completely ignoring it as my opponent asked me if I wanted to jack the bet. I was so pissed about his friend behind me, I told him he could bet whatever the hell he wanted to. (this was the loser that showed me his paycheck stub). Once he jacked the bet from $5 a game to $20 a game & I was done racking, I turned around to his buddy on the barstool & politely told him that if he touched me again, I would shove that pool stick up his ass. (big talker for a chick whose friends had yet to show up ) It was actually stupid but I got lucky. He left me alone but during the course of the game, he would coach my opponent on what & how to shoot. I scratched on the ball b4 the 8 ball. (8 ball was in the kitchen). My opponents buddy instructed him to scratch... scratch he did. I kicked at the 8, hit it but didn't make it. Again, he lines up & shoots the cue right into the side pocket, no attempt to hit a single ball. Again, I Kick & miss. His buddy went up to coach him again but my patience was gone. I laid the cue on the table & told him that if I lost fair & square, he would get his $20, but if his buddy coached him one more time or he scratched one more time... win or lose, I wasn't paying up. He nodded his head in agreement, shot at his ball, missed & I got out. I collected my money & started to walk away. he asked to play again... I told him "any other time, I would give you a chance to win your money back but between your buddy trying to molest me with a cue & your continual cheating, I'm not going to give you that chance. I might as well just hand the money back to you." Again, I got lucky... LOL, he had the waitress bring me two drinks & a shot. Had I been in your situation... I would've given him one or two bucks (whatever the bet was) when the deal went down with the ball in the kitchen (or not in the kitchen). hand 'em the money & walk out the door. Once in awhile, you have to forego pride.

It seems like you had an experience very similar to mine, except you were even more bold than I was and it worked out for you. Upon thinking about it though, I think the fact that you are a woman may have been to your advantage.

Even though their are some real low-lifes that would probably hit a woman, I think that for most guys the stigma associated with hitting a woman in public would be so strong they they would have to be extremely out of it (drunk, on drugs, etc.) to do it. Glad everything worked out for you though.

 

[Get_A_Grip]

ASKING THE BOUNCER to make a ruling?? Uhhhhh...ok. When I play on someone's home turf who I KNOW I can beat, I just say "Ok" to whatever new rule comes up and I remain friendly.

Actually Matt, I asked my opponent's friend for a ruling because he was roaming about the table anyways...it was his friend that actually asked the bouncer for the ruling (the bouncer was their buddy).

 

[Get_A_Grip]

there's a lot of talk about how "nice" it is to carry a gun...

My family is full of gun nuts over many generations. We have a lot of rules and thought about guns.

Just carrying a gun can be dangerous. Before you decide to carry one or not, reconcile with yourself whether or not you'd really use it. That answer has got to be yes if you're going to go there. No empty threats. And you have to be okay with the possibility/ probability of killing someone- on purpose or by accident.

You also have to accept that any weapon you carry can be taken away and turned against you. Whether it's a knife or a gun or even pepper spray, the other guy (or someone else) can conceivably have a chance of getting a hold of it and using it on you.

I won't carry a gun outside (still sleep with one) because all of those answers are "no."

I totally agree with this. I just wouldn't carry a gun because it just raises the stakes for everyone kind-of by default. If you're going to carry one, you better be willing to use it. If you don't and they find it on you...they probably wouldn't think twice about using it on you...

The only way I would carry a gun or other weapon is if I was making a living out of going to bars and playing for money. Just isn't worth it to me personally for the trouble that I could get into if I ever had to use it.

 

[drivermaker]

Has the swelling in your nuts gone down yet??

 

[647km2]

I just hope that u wont make the same mistake again,maybe that is why they dont allowed gambling in some places,other than the casinos,since they have the security guard.

So i hope u will get well soon,and dont even think of going to that bad place anymore.I bet u can find better place to play pool other than that place.

Thank You

Get Well Soon
647km2

 

[girlwon1]

I no longer play in bars. Men can threaten you every bit as much sometimes. They dont like continually getting beaten by a female, and any good sense is lost at that point. I never gambled in bars, never for a dollar. I had always gambled in pool rooms. There is an established etiquette there. I am also too stubborn and would tend to argue rules to often with someone I am sure knows nothing of the game. Over time I learned I just can't win those arguements, and do not play in bars. I can tell you when I have thought that everyone here looks like they would be no trouble, that I had a problem close to 98 percent of the time. That is just too much to continue doing that.

As far as guns go, I went on the road in 2001 and my partner carried a gun in his belt. I tried to deal with that but couldn't. Here I was out in Columbus, OH at the time where if I remember right they have a no gun law at all policy, and I am driving a car with California plates. I guarantee you police in other states love to pull over cars with California plates. Might even have been a federal offense to have a gun (can't remember). He told me that he himself had been strongarmed for money won in many parking lots of pool rooms too many times and had it for protection. I knew I didnt want to be apart of any possible scenarios involving that so I left him at the Derby City in Kentucky - made sure he got back to Louisiana though, that was the least I could do.

 

[chefjeff]

I just hope that u wont make the same mistake again,maybe that is why they dont allowed gambling in some places,other than the casinos,since they have the security guard.

So i hope u will get well soon,and dont even think of going to that bad place anymore.I bet u can find better place to play pool other than that place.

Thank You

Get Well Soon
647km2

Oh no, casino security guards don't beat the crap outta ya...lol. I've been scared of casino personnel as much as I've been scared of thugs in bars. In fact, with casino personnel, you get it behind closed doors; in a bar it happens in public, which offers some protection.

And, as for those who advocate calling the police, please... First off, those in the bar wouldn't have stood for that. And if the cops did get called, by the time (if) they arrived the fighting would've been over. And, once there, the bar's employees would have the final word. Going to jail isn't exactly being protected. Calling the cops is the last thing to do in such situations.

Aren't we learning anything aout govt. responses from what is (not) happening in New Orleans?????!!!! Here's some evidence and commentary:

http://tinyurl.com/9z7bp

http://www.strike-the-root.com/52/rieben/rieben3.html

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46297

Jeff Livingston

 

[Get_A_Grip]

Has the swelling in your nuts gone down yet??

Yeah, there just fine...thanks for asking...LOL.

Actually, a friend of my brothers had one of his kids hit him in the nuts by mistake recently. After a week, he still had pain...so he went to the Dr. Found out that he had testicular cancer and they removed one. He didn't think that he would have ever known about this if it wasn't for the accident... So I guess a good shot in the nuts might turn out in your own favor some times...LOL