Thanks for the information, I hope she does make it!!
Grady vs Jasmin - Who wins straight up
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Thanks for the information, I hope she does make it!!
The best one-pocket players in the world (except Efren, who is in a class of his own) are American. The best straight pool players in the world are European. 9 and 10 ball is a toss up - Phillipino, Asian, European. To say that a great one-pocket player will outmaneuver a player at a game that involves 6 holes is absurd. A great one-pocket player will win at one-pocket. It gives you no great advantage being good at one-hole in the game of 14.1.
One-pocket is only played in the US. It's truly an American gamblers game.
One-pocket is only played in the US. It's truly an American gamblers game.
Glendale
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This isn't the worst thread I've seen, but I voted "poor taste" when it started. If I were Jasmin, I don't see how this could be offensive to her at all!...she's a young woman with plenty of talent. I see this as an insult to Grady - a veteran of the game.
Here's another example. Buddy Hall, arguably the best player in the world...70's, 80's, 90's. It's 2009, he wasn't what he used to be and hasn't been for a good 5 yrs now. Let's start a poll - Who wins heads up - Landon Shuffet vs. Buddy Hall? ----C'mon, don't kick a man when he's down!
I've never been a fan of (respect your elders)...but I've been understanding the meaning of it more and more lately. That's the only reason I think it's in bad taste. I understand that Grady put himself out there by posting, but then starting a poll, who's better, Grady vs. ????????? - Lame.
Buddy Hall still gives Landon the seven and robs him. Sorry, but that is a bad comparison.
I didn't say that Grady doesn't have a stroke, I said that Jasmin has one of the best strokes there is, and I believe she has a much better stroke than Grady. That's my personal opinion, and if you disagree, that's fine.
I also believe that if Grady played Jasmin, he would run away ashamed after losing so badly. Again, only my personal opinion.
I see no point in continue with this discussion with you, though. Thanks for your inputs.
I have always hated it when "old" members of this forum tells new members a thing or two based on the time they've been on this forum, but I think it is appropiate here. If you have been a member of this forum for less than a month I think you should atleast assume that people who have been members for years do know a little about American pool. If not, we wouldn't be here. Right?
But since you asked, I do. I play a little myself, have competed at Derby City Classic, finished 85th in the one-pocket division, I have played tournaments all over Europe and in the Philippines, gambled with top-pros like Efren Reyes, played Hohmann, Souquet, Feijen etc. I do know the majority of the European pros who play American pool for a living, in fact I got live-updates by Souquet during Line Kjorsvik's match at World Games just hours ago, I know some of the Americans and many of the top pros in the Philippines. I do know that the overwhelming majority, and that's a fact, of overseas pro-players do not play one-pocket on a regulary basis.
One-pocket is slowly getting more popular in Europe, but I doubt we could get 32 players to join a one-pocket event held in Europe. Sad, but true.
As a side-note, in Europe we rank our players based on their tournament-wins, not what they do at the table in the corner at a poolhall late at night.
Top players like for example Jasmin Ouschan, Ralf Souquet and Thorsten Hohmann does not gamble at all.
I also believe that if Grady played Jasmin, he would run away ashamed after losing so badly. Again, only my personal opinion.
I see no point in continue with this discussion with you, though. Thanks for your inputs.
I have always hated it when "old" members of this forum tells new members a thing or two based on the time they've been on this forum, but I think it is appropiate here. If you have been a member of this forum for less than a month I think you should atleast assume that people who have been members for years do know a little about American pool. If not, we wouldn't be here. Right?
But since you asked, I do. I play a little myself, have competed at Derby City Classic, finished 85th in the one-pocket division, I have played tournaments all over Europe and in the Philippines, gambled with top-pros like Efren Reyes, played Hohmann, Souquet, Feijen etc. I do know the majority of the European pros who play American pool for a living, in fact I got live-updates by Souquet during Line Kjorsvik's match at World Games just hours ago, I know some of the Americans and many of the top pros in the Philippines. I do know that the overwhelming majority, and that's a fact, of overseas pro-players do not play one-pocket on a regulary basis.
One-pocket is slowly getting more popular in Europe, but I doubt we could get 32 players to join a one-pocket event held in Europe. Sad, but true.
As a side-note, in Europe we rank our players based on their tournament-wins, not what they do at the table in the corner at a poolhall late at night.
Top players like for example Jasmin Ouschan, Ralf Souquet and Thorsten Hohmann does not gamble at all.
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Glendale
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I was going to state -this might not be the best analogy- before I wrote it. lol. I knew someone was going to get me on that one right after I submitted it.
That's not my point though. Also, Buddy was in pretty bad shape when I last saw him, and this was 4 years ago. He was playing horrible at the time...btw. My point was don't kick a man when he's down -especially an elder-. Sorry if that wasn't a great comparison for you. I'll try better next time.
You think that I can just tell Ralf to play in a gambling match? lol
What's the point of making comments like that, when we both know it will never happen? Even if it DID happen, I am pretty sure that you would not be there to put your money where your mouth is.
But, if I could, I would back Ralf Souquet against Shane all day long. I might lose, but I would put him in the box for the cash. I would love to be the backer of perhaps the best and most consistent player alive today.
Btw, after just our few posts back and forth I can tell that you are not the kind of person I enjoy to discuss with, so I'll just save us both some time and say let's just agree to disagree.
Have fun on the forum, hope you will enjoy your time here.
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Allison was dominating the women's tour at the time.
Very doubtful this match will ever come off, mainly because I don't think Jasmin gambles at pool. At this stage in their respective careers, she has to be the favorite at all games except One Pocket.
joshmfhamlin1
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you're obviously a ball banger from your half headed comments. i dont play good but i'd love to play you some ten aheads on a triple shimmed gold crown. we dont even have to call it a heads up tournament. jasmine wins in all games besides one pocket, and she might win that without ever playing it just by pure ability.
Yea, those bucket tables at the DCC are the only reason that Ralph is a multiple winner of the 9-ball. The weak field also helped him win.
Grady now, I would have to say no. Jasmin would win. Grady is a hell of a player and has a plethura of knowledge in I would say all games. If you are asking prime vs. prime, Grady would win any game, anywhere. Lets face it, as you get older things go. Your vision, stroke, muscles get tired faster, reflexes are slower, etc.. I have had the pleasure/priviledge of playing with Grady and he has taught me alot of different things, but he just doesnt have the firepower now to take on a young pro of today. But just to start this thread really is dumb. Why not ask who would win between Tiger and Watson? They were both considered the best in the world at one time. Or Kobe vs. Maravich. Young will almost always beat old. Just the nature of things. Just my .02.
Glendale
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Such a short and sweet post - but so true!
Since I have know Jasmin since she was 5, I know how she played at 12 years old. Most of the posters here haven't a clue how well she played and probably would B.B.Q 95% of the board at that age. Like the most players she has good days and bad but when she has the motor running she can beat anybody in the world. She has been playing straight pool since she was a little girl.
There was a Eurotour for women some years back and I believe Jassy was 10 or 12 and played in St. Pölten, Austria and finished 4th. The 3 women that finished ahead of her were current and former World Champions.
Gerda
Allison and
Franziska Stark
no-sho
Taking nothing away from Jasmin; but, to say that at 12 she'd beat 95% of this board is a joke. In case you didn't know it, there are a few on here that can make a ball or two. No offense, but she's gonna have a hard time beating 95% on this board right now, period. Give us idiots SOME credit? And before the hashing of me starts, no. I don't play straight pool. And yes, I'd probably play her some. And yes, I can name fifty people on here that I think would play her some. I can name twenty that are the favorite and that's without really thinking too hard. But, I'm not gonna get into that conversation or mind fu@#ing. I'm just saying that you might wanna re-think how shitty you think the guys on here play.
I don't think he believes that people on here plays like shit, more that Jasmin plays world-class level.
And the big majority of this forum doesn't.
As of today this forum has 18,450 members. 5 % = about 900 players.
Please name those 900 that Jasmin won't be the favourite against... I'll be nice with you and let you off with half
In fact, I'll drop you a $ 100 if you can convince me that there is 100 players on this forum that she can't beat regulary
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NYC cue dude
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Speaking strictly about 14.1, because that's where all these discussions began;
I have to disagree about your statement that 20 posters here could beat her. Maybe when she was 12.....
But right now, the top 2 straight pool players, John schmidt and Danny H, aren't the favorites. I've seen them all play extensively, and I'd say it's a pick-em. But just for arguments sake, let's say they are a slight favorite, hell, let's say they'd BBQ her.... Who are the other 18?
Rg
Maybe, but that doesn't mean they are better players. George Fels said Mosconi was the best 14.1 player he ever saw, but Mosconi didn't gamble because he would lose his Brunswick sponsorship. Same with Crane, Balsis and a lot of others over the years. Some people are great players but are family men and live a more stable lifestyle. Shane won't be gambling now but he doesn't need to because he is good enough to get a lucrative sponsor.
I know a lot of women who gamble but none who I would consider better players than Allison or Jasmin who don't gamble because they don't want to lose their lucrative sponsorships.
There have been a lot of "cash" players over the years who stay broke half the time. No need to name names, but it's a fact.
I would modify it to say there are some great players who gamble, but there are also some players who are so good they can get sponsors and don't need to gamble.
As to the question, no offense intended but Jasmin would beat Grady in 14.1 at this point. It isn't speculation, she has proven herself against today's top players. Plus she looks better.
I don't think he believes that people on here plays like shit, more that Jasmin plays world-class level.
And the big majority of this forum doesn't.
As of today this forum has 18,450 members. 5 % = about 900 players.
Please name those 900 that Jasmin won't be the favourite against... I'll be nice with you and let you off with half
In fact, I'll drop you a $ 100 if you can convince me that there is 100 players on this forum that she can't beat regulary
Maybe I have her way underrated, but I was referring to the main posters on here. I won't take the time to count and list as some would, but I'd have to say that outta the 2-400 normal posters on here and on the action section, there are quite a few that can hang.