Gus On Ebay Fake!!!!!

Just something to think about, purely idle speculation, because if Barry says it isn't, it isn't, as far as I'm concerned... end of story.

Look at the rings on the Gus cue on page 778 of the current Blue Book (5th cue from the top - Rosewood Forearm Barbell cue). Those rings look pretty similiar to the big blocks in the mystery cue, don't they? Now, the other stitched rings (small) in the cue are a pretty standard Gus ring found on several of his cues. Could it be possible that the cue wasn't made that way by Gus, but as a fix for a broken or warped Gus cue?

I've had cues with warped forearms that I had cut off and replaced with new ones. I've had different makers use parts that the original maker sure wouldn't recognize. What they might, in fact recognize (as wrong) would be the different screw that the repairman had used to connect the sections. Both the forearm and the butt could have been Gus' (we know Gus sold lots of blanks), but Barry would be correct in saying that Gus never made the cue as such. I'm sure, however, that there were more problems than just the screw, though, used in the determination.

That being said, my vote's for Dale Patten (or my perrenial favorite for all unidentified Bushkas or Botis - Mike Johnson) :D ...

Steve
 
Hunter said:
Just something to think about, purely idle speculation, because if Barry says it isn't, it isn't, as far as I'm concerned... end of story.

Look at the rings on the Gus cue on page 778 of the current Blue Book (5th cue from the top - Rosewood Forearm Barbell cue). Those rings look pretty similiar to the big blocks in the mystery cue, don't they? Now, the other stitched rings (small) in the cue are a pretty standard Gus ring found on several of his cues. Could it be possible that the cue wasn't made that way by Gus, but as a fix for a broken or warped Gus cue?

I've had cues with warped forearms that I had cut off and replaced with new ones. I've had different makers use parts that the original maker sure wouldn't recognize. What they might, in fact recognize (as wrong) would be the different screw that the repairman had used to connect the sections. Both the forearm and the butt could have been Gus' (we know Gus sold lots of blanks), but Barry would be correct in saying that Gus never made the cue as such. I'm sure, however, that there were more problems than just the screw, though, used in the determination.

That being said, my vote's for Dale Patten (or my perrenial favorite for all unidentified Bushkas or Botis - Mike Johnson) :D ...

Steve
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I was discussing this thread with another very KNOWLEDGEABLE forum member and he also thought it was a PATTEN
 
Szam????

I understand the speculation and the wanting to make everybody aware of the posability of a scam, but I beleive the only one that can say for sure if that was a szamboti or not is no longer with us I only say this because I Have a 77 schick that at a quick glance looks like a schick with the engraved butt cap and pin also joint rings, but under closer inspection and scrutiny if you look at the uneven points most will tell you that it is not a schick even reputable individuals. I took it to Bill Schick and had him verify its authenticity and sure enough it was I know of barrys reputation but there is no way he knows of every cue that Gus made. Gus himself was not proud of every cue he sold as was the case with the first cue he made buying it and then destroying it.. just my opinion.....

now let the name calling and bit#$% begin as usual
 
1glibby1, a word of advice, which u should certainly head;

Kc's partner, ken, owns atleast 50% of all the cues offered
by sale under high end cues. Ken kerner is a mountain of a
man, over 6'6" of potential volcanic eruption. I can guarantee you, that if one of his cues drops to the floor, after ur threat, u too will fall to the floor and suffer the same fate
of the dropped cue. Be careful who u threaten
and whose mother u talk about. If u see kc's partner, I guarantee u will run the other way.

I already think he should beat ur ass, but he is more
patient than I.
 
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what ever happened to the sister cue?

" What you don't know is this was a sister cue of a higher end "GUS" that was part of a deal that we asked Barry to assist, and upon inspection, found a "screw" inside the butt, that was not normally used by his father.....he then simply put a "NO" on this cues authenticity and that was that.

I'm curious looking at the first reply from glibby it seems this all started with him taking this cue and its sister for Barry to authenticate, and Barry authenticated the sister but not this one. So glibby is trying to make everyone believe that Barry could be mistaken, and that Gus made 2 "sister" cues with different screws???
 
I would bet money that several cue makers have had their cues copied to the point that almost nobody could tell. I think that's why SouthWests and Tad's now have identifying numbers on them. And if your shaking your head and think nobody could slip one by you, consider this. Six or seven years ago, the Guggenheim Museum removed an Original Picaso from display when it was found to be a fake. The fake was discovered when the real painting's owner went to the museum and saw the fake. A FAKE PICASO IN THE GUGGENHEIM !!!!
I guess what I'm getting at is, unless you bought it from the guy that made it, you will never be able to be 100% sure.
 
I have see a couple Gus cues here and there and someone along the line of ownership of this cue someone got screwed. Who screwed who and who is trying to get out of the loss and pass it on we'll never know got screwed first. but of the couple I've seen it dosent look right to me.


i think we should organize a fight in the cage, and have Joe Rogan do what he does for UFC. Billy Incardona could book the action to make up for his recent losses. I'll bring the ring card girls, Jay Helfert will be on stand by with the medics and let the games begin, We will give Barry Szam complementary ring side seats since he got brought into this mess. Will have Bill Grassley call Ken (they cant seem to get along-whicjh makes no sence) when he calls Ken, Kens blood pressure and adrenlin will go up making him the favorite, then I'll bet tooth $2,000,000 on the fight. This way we get action, AZ members will be involved and I win 2mil when Ken kickes his ass, then i'll toss Bill a chunk for pissing off ken just before the fight and we have Barry build Joe Rogan a cue to commerate the event. And Billy will be fat again, perhaps on the undercard we'll get McWhorter to fight who ever he is pissed off at. We can call the event AZBrawl 1, I'll cut a deal with a casino in vegas for a location, forget pool lets fight!!!
 
AngryPanda said:
" What you don't know is this was a sister cue of a higher end "GUS" that was part of a deal that we asked Barry to assist, and upon inspection, found a "screw" inside the butt, that was not normally used by his father.....he then simply put a "NO" on this cues authenticity and that was that.

I'm curious looking at the first reply from glibby it seems this all started with him taking this cue and its sister for Barry to authenticate, and Barry authenticated the sister but not this one. So glibby is trying to make everyone believe that Barry could be mistaken, and that Gus made 2 "sister" cues with different screws???
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moral of the story never screw your sister :D :eek:
 
NYC cue dude said:
1glibby1, a word of advice, which u should certainly head;

Kc's partner, ken, owns atleast 50% of all the cues offered
by sale under high end cues. Ken kerner is a mountain of a
man, over 6'6" of potential volcanic eruption. I can guarantee you, that if one of his cues drops to the floor, after ur threat, u too will fall to the floor and suffer the same fate
of the dropped cue. Be careful who u threaten
and whose mother u talk about. If u see kc's partner, I guarantee u will run the other way.

I already think he should beat ur ass, but he is more
patient than I.
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Hey Randy,
I hope all is well...
We are done with any talk about any cues being dropped..
Best,
Ken Kerner
Highendcues
 
ive seen that white ring in the collars in a few joss cues from 68 to 72. danny janes told me himself he experimented a little back then. i ended up with a one of a kind cue he remembered from 1968. he told me he couldnt give that cue away and he gigled when he saw it.
 
Question for the seller in the new auction....

"I'll give you $5500 for the girl in the picture. BTW = by the way.... that is a stupid picture to include in a serious cue auction."

Sorry. Couldn't resist. :rolleyes:
 
Fatboy said:
I have see a couple Gus cues here and there and someone along the line of ownership of this cue someone got screwed. Who screwed who and who is trying to get out of the loss and pass it on we'll never know got screwed first. but of the couple I've seen it dosent look right to me.


i think we should organize a fight in the cage, and have Joe Rogan do what he does for UFC. Billy Incardona could book the action to make up for his recent losses. I'll bring the ring card girls, Jay Helfert will be on stand by with the medics and let the games begin, We will give Barry Szam complementary ring side seats since he got brought into this mess. Will have Bill Grassley call Ken (they cant seem to get along-whicjh makes no sence) when he calls Ken, Kens blood pressure and adrenlin will go up making him the favorite, then I'll bet tooth $2,000,000 on the fight. This way we get action, AZ members will be involved and I win 2mil when Ken kickes his ass, then i'll toss Bill a chunk for pissing off ken just before the fight and we have Barry build Joe Rogan a cue to commerate the event. And Billy will be fat again, perhaps on the undercard we'll get McWhorter to fight who ever he is pissed off at. We can call the event AZBrawl 1, I'll cut a deal with a casino in vegas for a location, forget pool lets fight!!!
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Im in and I don't care what the cover is......
 
Lets assume the cue is really a GUS. Lets also put in the fact that Barry won't authenticate it as a Gus.

How much will you pay for it?

No authentication? Maybe $100.

My point is even if its real but if can't be authenticated, it won't ba able to command much. Just an opinion. Not siding with anyone here.
 
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monski said:
Lets assume the cue is really a GUS. Lets also put in the fact that Barry won't authenticate it as a Gus.

How much will you pay for it?

No authentication? Maybe $100.

My point is even if its real but if can't be authenticated, it won't ba able to command much. Just an opinion. Not siding with anyone here.
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Hi Monski,

Good to see you posting again.

Take care,

Chris
 
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