Guys in pool who don't get enough credit

Terry Ardeno

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I was talking on the phone earlier today with Blackjack & part of our conversation was about guys in pool who never seem to get the credit that should be due them. Right off the bat, we agreed that Jerry Forsyth & George Fels were two who have to be at or near the top of any list of guys in pool who don't seem to ever get lots of praise or attention.

Jerry Forsyth is such a good commentator! I love watching the World Pool Championships when he's the featured commentator! Grady, Billy, Danny, Nick Varner, Buddy Hall, Freddy, etc at Accu-Stats are always receiving must deserved praise for the work they do. I think I've raved about Grady & Billy more than anyone else, but Jerry is every bit as good and interesting in his own style, and we're glad that he's been getting more & more work at Accu-Stats. I also appreciate Jerry's coverage of the major tournaments as well as his insightful and thoughtful posts that he contributes here at AZB. He and his wife also do much to help many outside of pooldom, but he's too humble to mention much about his many acts of benevolence.

George Fels has been one of my favorite writers for as long as I can remember. I have his book "Mastering Pool" that was published in 1977. I have large chunks of that memorized! His stories on the back page every month in Billiards Digest are worth the price of the subscription by themselves. I thought his stories on Billy Incardona, Danny DiLiberto and Johnny Ervolino were exceptional pieces of work!

Another one of my picks for a guy who doesn't get enough credit is Mike Gefner. He writes full length biographical stories on the pro players, usually alternating each month between a men's pro and a women's pro. His features are, in my opinion, the very best reading as far as biographical stories goes. Not only does he give lots of facts, he has the ability to present the subject in a way that after reading the story, you feel like you almost know the person you just read about. What a gifted writer, and thank goodness he uses that talent to promote the pro pool players!

Tom Shaw HAS to make my list as well. He is a pre-eminant pool historian who has researched and written about the greats of yesteryear. Without his diligent research and deep love and appreciation for the great players of our great sport, I'm afraid that many, if not most of these legends would be lost in the memories of former generations. My personal favorite part about pool (besides playing) is studying and researching the great players. I can't tell you how many times I've traded info or tidbits back & forth with Tom. Any time I call, he always has time to talk. I remember fondly how nice it is to "hang out with" Tom & Jerry (Forsyth) at the Pool & Billiards booth at Valley Forge. Oh the stories those two have! Insights galore into the lives of the great players, past & present. I'm honored to call them my friends!

Also, it wouldn't be right to say all this without a special thank you to Blackjack. There are several people on AZB who's word to me is like GOLD...SJM especially. But Dave has been such a buddy! It's so nice to have a friend who also loves and appreciates the people in pool. I for one am glad we have so many great people on these forums. It wouldn't be the place it is without all of us loving our sport as we do.

I would be very interested in hearing other's opinions on who THEY think is not given enough credit in our sport.
 
Great post.

I've always been a huge fan of Jerry Forsyth. I am glad he's almost always around for the World Championship events. Not only is he well-spoken on the mic, he knows a lot about the game at a pro level.

As well, Blackjack is a treasure to the pool community. I only know him through his AZBs posts, but I've heard many a good word from those who know him. Aside from being a great player willing to share his knowledge, I love the fact that he speaks his mind here on the forums without being condescending or small. His words say a lot, and the smart ones listen.

I agree SJM is also a gem. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I was glad to accompany him and pals on his birthday a couple weekends ago. Great person to know and listen to.

-SPW
 
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I think our own Jay Helfert deserves alot of recognition. His views and insights one this forum alone are invaluable.

Southpaw
 
How about Terry Bell and Larry Hubbart?

All they did is founded the largest national pool league in the country that boasts more members than all others combined?

Forget about how much their business earns and doesn't give back (never really figured this one out), that the their armature league is in the opinion of many, amateurish. Or you don't like handicap systems.

Fact is they brought more people into the game than anybody else I can think of.

Oh, and Blackjack can never be given too much credit, IMO.
 
Great post, Terry, and I agree with your choices.

I'll nominate Tom Rossman as underappreciated in the world of pool. Many respect him as a superhuman trick shot artist. Many respect him as a great game theorist and teacher. Many respect him as an incomparable ambassador for our sport. Few understand that he is all three of these. There are very few figures in our sport that I have greater respect for than Tom Rossman.
 
Dino Andrews & Kevin Trudeau

If there are people out there who do not get enough negative credit in the pool world, it would be these two mullets...Trudeau & Andrews. These tits just don't seem to go away.
I think Danny Harriman doesn't get enough credit. That guy is an amazing player. John's best game is supposed to be 14.1, but Harriman put on a clinic that was legendary. Harriman is awesome at all games, and should get some more cred, especially from a shmuck like John.
Chuck Bobbitt here in Arizona doesn't get enough credit either. As far as pool in the U.S., he's got to be one of the biggest supporters on a local level. Thank God for that guy.
I think Roger Griffis is another overlooked dude. Whenever someone talks about players in Texas, that guy's name isn't usually mentioned. If he just focused on pool, he'd have been top 5 in the rankings in the U.S. every year for sure. That guy could play everything.
Tony Robles is another guy who isn't mentioned as much as he should be, which is because he's not winning anything major at the moment. The guy is a genuine dude, and does a ton for pool.
Fast Lenny should get some props too for putting together his webcasts on no funds. That was stellar. Hey Lenny, it's me Charles...I was sitting next to you at the Strickland exhibition. Good job mofo, for a boxer.
 
Heh, funny you mention him. When I first heard of him I didn't think much of him. Then I saw him in person when I was at the APA Nationals. He was great, and really made sure the audience had a great time (while nailing 100% of his trick shots). After that, he conducted free clinics for anyone interested in attending -- and that's what really made me respect him. He didn't charge a dime while he was in town, and made sure that everyone walked away entertained and enlightened.

There are a thousand world-beaters out there, but only a few who make a name for themselves beyond their pool abilities. Rossman is one of them. He's a man anyone can look up to, giving himself to others who share his passion.

sjm said:
Great post, Terry, and I agree with your choices.

I'll nominate Tom Rossman as underappreciated in the world of pool. Many respect him as a superhuman trick shot artist. Many respect him as a great game theorist and teacher. Many respect him as an incomparable ambassador for our sport. Few understand that he is all three of these. There are very few figures in our sport that I have greater respect for than Tom Rossman.
 
League players do not get enough credit for trucking their way out during their free time. League players do not get enough credit for making pool halls look crowded. League players do not get enough credit for showing that pool is alive and well.

To celebrate league players I guess someone could start a forum for pool players. Maybe someone could start a magazine and publish interesting pool articles. If I had more time to work I would drive a truck and sell food from it as I parked across from a pool hall to compete with the lousy bar food. School prevents me from initiating that idea. My truck would have been an all purpose truck to feed any demographic. If I had my truck at the derby I would need a second truck just for food inventory.
 
Lets not forget the little guys

On a local level, we used to have a guy around here named George Ellis who for close to 50 years helped or gave lessons to anyone and everyone who asked. (for free)

He still had appointments for the week that he died at about 80 or 90 something.

These people on a local level should be recognized as well.

Just my opinion. M.C.
 
A few I would single out for recognition include:
Pat Fleming (inducted into the HOF this year)
Jerry Forsyth (got me back in the booth after five years off)
George Fels and Mike Gefner (great pool writers)
Mike Panozzo (for putting out a great pool mag)
Shari Simonsen (see above)
J.R. Calvert (see above)
Mike Shamos (quietly supports all thing pool)
Bob Jewett (for working tirelessly to bring back Straight Pool, and revitalize Three Cushions as well!)
Mark Griffin, Greg Sullivan, Danny Janes, the Hart family (manufacturers who actually put real money into pro pool)
Mike Zuglan and Mike Janis (for their efforts on behalf of regional pro events)
The TAR guys (for taking a chance)
and Jerry Breisath and Mark Wilson for being the epitome of class throughout their careers.
Bob Byrnes (just because he is so cool)
 
Mark Griffin. People don't realize how much Mark has contributed to the sport in so many ways.
 
I would rather listen to Jerry Forsyth commentate than anyone Ive heard, needs a little work on the interview thing, but that is something he seems to be new at. Other than that, the people that don't get enough credit, are the guys before the time of mosconi, lassiter, and crane. The pioneers of the sport and not just the old timers. Not just the Mickey Mantles and Willie Mays of pool, but also the Ty Cobbs as well. Can't think of any.....exactly my point.
 
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fdambi said:
If there are people out there who do not get enough negative credit in the pool world, it would be these two mullets...Trudeau & Andrews. These tits just don't seem to go away.
I think Danny Harriman doesn't get enough credit. That guy is an amazing player. John's best game is supposed to be 14.1, but Harriman put on a clinic that was legendary. Harriman is awesome at all games, and should get some more cred, especially from a shmuck like John.
Chuck Bobbitt here in Arizona doesn't get enough credit either. As far as pool in the U.S., he's got to be one of the biggest supporters on a local level. Thank God for that guy.
I think Roger Griffis is another overlooked dude. Whenever someone talks about players in Texas, that guy's name isn't usually mentioned. If he just focused on pool, he'd have been top 5 in the rankings in the U.S. every year for sure. That guy could play everything.
Tony Robles is another guy who isn't mentioned as much as he should be, which is because he's not winning anything major at the moment. The guy is a genuine dude, and does a ton for pool.
Fast Lenny should get some props too for putting together his webcasts on no funds. That was stellar. Hey Lenny, it's me Charles...I was sitting next to you at the Strickland exhibition. Good job mofo, for a boxer.
Yes i remember you Charles,your a nice guy and it was fun talking to you,you were there representing Pranke wraps correct?Yeah i did a decent job and look forward to doing more and working with some Mark Cantril known on here as bfldad again along with the guys who direct and organize the tours in AZ so people can see some great pool.Yes for someone who has been punched in my mug alot and thrown out a back window of a car at 90 mph i did what i could,lol. :D
 
fdambi said:
Chuck Bobbitt here in Arizona doesn't get enough credit either. As far as pool in the U.S., he's got to be one of the biggest supporters on a local level. Thank God for that guy.
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Now we know something more of him... unfortunately. Maybe you'll want to edit your post in the light of his dumping the players. I don't mean any disrespect to your for posting this. The infomation regarding the tournament Chuck put on wasn't public when you posted this.
 
I think Bull from az has been doing a good job and deserves some recognition to.
I already mentioned Mark Griffin
Mike Janis
Jay Helfert

Anyone that does anything positive to promote pool in a postitive way:) .
 
hilla_hilla said:
I think Bull from az has been doing a good job and deserves some recognition to.
I already mentioned Mark Griffin
Mike Janis
Jay Helfert

Anyone that does anything positive to promote pool in a postitive way:) .
Your right about all of these guys,I met Bull this weekend and he does a hell of a job for a little guy. :p
 
sjm said:
Great post, Terry, and I agree with your choices.

I'll nominate Tom Rossman as underappreciated in the world of pool. Many respect him as a superhuman trick shot artist. Many respect him as a great game theorist and teacher. Many respect him as an incomparable ambassador for our sport. Few understand that he is all three of these. There are very few figures in our sport that I have greater respect for than Tom Rossman.
I just posted a week or two ago about how impressed I was with Tom Rossman when I finally got to see the personality he has and a quick wit also. note to ESPN do a show with Tom Rossman or Mike Massey and let them do their own thing. I, for one would love to watch that both these guys are great showman with tons of knowledge and charisma. Philw
 
Lot of good choices here. How about all the poolroom owners who toil away day after day, giving us a place to enjoy this game. Believe me most do it for the love of this game, certainly not the financial rewards!
 
Thanks for all of the kind words - I'd like to add Mike Howerton to the list - along with Mark Griffin, Jerry Forsyth, Mark Cantrill, Fatboy, Jay Helfert, Chad & Justin, and Mike Janis. There are a bunch of us that work our ass off to promote this sport to the 4 corners of the earth every single day - its always worth it!
 
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