Harriman thread is now gone....
- Thread starter Terry Ardeno
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Be careful you might get banned!Cuebacca said:Since you have the most REP on this board, will it prove I'm not a nut hugger if I flip you the bird?
(Too late)
smokeandapancak said:
Aha! Thanks for the steer. Maybe there is a new policy to ban anyone who starts another thread on the OB-1?
I kid; I kid. IMO, I like cutting the mods some slack. It would be pretty much impossible to be 100% consistent and perfect. I think they try to do their best, and do pretty well.
Of course, I'm only nut hugging in hopes of becoming unbannable. Muwahahahaha!
(j/k )
Hey i agree with you - if he thought posting what he did on this forum was the best way to find out what he wanted to know then he was both naive AND stupid. all i am saying is that was it - he was stupid, i don't think he was being malicious. just an immature decision on his part.
like i said i think just a pm warning and deletion of the thread would have sufficed. but there again i don't know what went on behind the scenes. maybe he was being an asshole towards the mods behind the scenes arguing with them. in which case then i can't argue with the banning.
Give the guy a break already, he has been called all kinds of names.
HE ALREADY GOT BANNED. Same people keep calling him names.
Get over it.
HE ALREADY GOT BANNED. Same people keep calling him names.
Get over it.
Let's get this back to being about Danny Harriman
Danny is a champion. A great player. It has taken a long time to not only get him back to the game, but to get Danny back to the top of the game.
It's been a long road, but I am honored to have played a small part in encouraging Danny to get back to the top. Danny is IMO, one of the top 5 players in the world - at any game. Here is a look at what Danny has gone through in the past few years.
Danny started this comeback at the 2006 Straight Pool World Championships, where he finished near the top of the field.
Danny tore through the super tough competition to win an IPT qualifier in Chicago - went undefeated - in what was possibly the toughest field ever assembled for one of those qualifiers.
Danny went on to the IPT Tourney in Reno and kicked some major ass in the process. He broke, he ran out, he climbed on the table, he made enough money to secure his spot for the 2007 season. He proved he was a major player to be dealt with in the IPT. IMO, it's a shame his initial application was "never received" - that's another story - because Danny would have really been a BIG threat in the round robin endurance format.
Danny has competed in many of the regional tours, to include the Florida Pro Tour, where he had a great 3rd place finish last year in some very tough fields that were stacked with several world class players including the Filippino contingent.
In the World 10 ball Championship last year in Jacksonville, Danny was the only player that came out on top against Shane Van Boening. The score was 10-3 or 11- 3 (I forget). All I know is that it wasn't close. In the end, Danny lost 1 match and was eliminated in the round of 16. Yes we all hate that format. lol
Danny once again finished high in the 2007 Straight Pool World Championships.
Danny is the current All Round Champ for TAR, winning a grueling contest against 2006 US Open 9 Ball Champion, John Schmidt.
Danny will play anybody. I would love to see Shannon Daulton take a serious stab at this with Danny, or perhaps have Gabe Owen or Larry Nevel look at this challenge. I'll also toss in a name that we never hear much about when talking "all around" - and that is Rafael Martinez. I would love to see Rafael and Danny hook it up.
I would like to say that I am extremely proud of Danny for his professionalism throughout this comeback. Danny loves to play, he loves to teach the game to players of all levels, and he genuinely is appreciative of the support he receives from fans and friends. Let's support great players such as Danny and let's also support TAR for all that they do for our game.
Danny is a champion. A great player. It has taken a long time to not only get him back to the game, but to get Danny back to the top of the game.
It's been a long road, but I am honored to have played a small part in encouraging Danny to get back to the top. Danny is IMO, one of the top 5 players in the world - at any game. Here is a look at what Danny has gone through in the past few years.
Danny started this comeback at the 2006 Straight Pool World Championships, where he finished near the top of the field.
Danny tore through the super tough competition to win an IPT qualifier in Chicago - went undefeated - in what was possibly the toughest field ever assembled for one of those qualifiers.
Danny went on to the IPT Tourney in Reno and kicked some major ass in the process. He broke, he ran out, he climbed on the table, he made enough money to secure his spot for the 2007 season. He proved he was a major player to be dealt with in the IPT. IMO, it's a shame his initial application was "never received" - that's another story - because Danny would have really been a BIG threat in the round robin endurance format.
Danny has competed in many of the regional tours, to include the Florida Pro Tour, where he had a great 3rd place finish last year in some very tough fields that were stacked with several world class players including the Filippino contingent.
In the World 10 ball Championship last year in Jacksonville, Danny was the only player that came out on top against Shane Van Boening. The score was 10-3 or 11- 3 (I forget). All I know is that it wasn't close. In the end, Danny lost 1 match and was eliminated in the round of 16. Yes we all hate that format. lol
Danny once again finished high in the 2007 Straight Pool World Championships.
Danny is the current All Round Champ for TAR, winning a grueling contest against 2006 US Open 9 Ball Champion, John Schmidt.
Danny will play anybody. I would love to see Shannon Daulton take a serious stab at this with Danny, or perhaps have Gabe Owen or Larry Nevel look at this challenge. I'll also toss in a name that we never hear much about when talking "all around" - and that is Rafael Martinez. I would love to see Rafael and Danny hook it up.
I would like to say that I am extremely proud of Danny for his professionalism throughout this comeback. Danny loves to play, he loves to teach the game to players of all levels, and he genuinely is appreciative of the support he receives from fans and friends. Let's support great players such as Danny and let's also support TAR for all that they do for our game.
This forum isn't the first time he's been voted a "Virtual Pest." It's not hard to look up if someone cares to.Johnson said:
As far as the Danny thread being pulled, it's now located where crap like that belongs, and rightly so.Terry Ardeno said:
So many pros, legends, and industry people get run off of this site because of threads like that. Why would anyone want to come here to participate and share information, when they get lambasted and their past brought up?
I have only been a member here for a few years, but I can recall numerous individuals that fit the categories of pro, legend, or industry person, that have stopped posting because other posters were acting very childish in their posts.
I just wonder how much insight, knowledge, and camaraderie that has been lost because the pros, legends, or industry people don't care to post anymore out of fear of this stuff happening to them.
Most of us here are adults and it's too bad we can't always act like it.
Craig
Irish634 said:
I agree with part of this, in that I think its wrong for people to intentionally post harsh content about someone for the sake of just being malicious. However, I think people should have a bit thicker skin and realize that this is an internet forum and realize that for every 100 good, contributing posters there is going to be 1 troll or person with another agenda. The pros also have to realize that this forum is the hub of internet buzz surrounding pool. Its much like the media is for all of the major sports and the scrutiny that major athletes face every day. How in the world are pool professionals going to take the heat that other athletes face if the sport does evolve if they can't even take the heat at AZ Billiards?
corvette1340 said:
I agree. I guess my point was that they shouldn't have to "take heat" like what was in that thread even if it is a public forum. I'm not saying kiss their arses, but at least show them the respect that they deserve as being the industry leaders. If they don't deserve it then that's another story, but the post in question was uncalled for in my opinion.
Craig
Corvette, why should anybody have to put up with that? It's not a right of passage, and if you think it is, start a rumor/gossip site about pool players and you'll find out who really gives a $hit about any of it.
I've been through this.
A few years ago I had some moron get on the internet and accused me of murdering and/or having something to do with the murder of Mike Carella. The guy had no facts, nothing to base anything on, and it was all started when he lost money backing someone against me. Trivial bull$hit designed to ruin my reputation because he was out some money. He couldn't get his money back, so he decided to get online and talk crap about me.
I had nothing to do with anything concerning Mike's death, however I now have that "rumor" following me around and many people still inquire about all of that when they meet me. All over some guy that backed the wrong player for more than he could afford to lose.
I don't know who murdered Mike Carella, but I hope that having my name associated with that (even 30 years after the fact) doesn't cause the same person/people to pay me a visit to make sure I keep my mouth shut about what happened to him. There is that possibility. I guarantee you that the idiot that posted of all that nonsense never thought about that before he hit the "submit" button.
That stuff that Belmicah/Handsumm brought up doesn't just affect Danny, it affects his family, his sponsors, his employer, etc. It goes a lot deeper than you think. That is why this garbage needs to be controlled and kept out of here. If you think differently, go to RSB with Fast Larry and say anything you want about anybody. That is where all that crap belongs.
I've been through this.
A few years ago I had some moron get on the internet and accused me of murdering and/or having something to do with the murder of Mike Carella. The guy had no facts, nothing to base anything on, and it was all started when he lost money backing someone against me. Trivial bull$hit designed to ruin my reputation because he was out some money. He couldn't get his money back, so he decided to get online and talk crap about me.
I had nothing to do with anything concerning Mike's death, however I now have that "rumor" following me around and many people still inquire about all of that when they meet me. All over some guy that backed the wrong player for more than he could afford to lose.
I don't know who murdered Mike Carella, but I hope that having my name associated with that (even 30 years after the fact) doesn't cause the same person/people to pay me a visit to make sure I keep my mouth shut about what happened to him. There is that possibility. I guarantee you that the idiot that posted of all that nonsense never thought about that before he hit the "submit" button.
That stuff that Belmicah/Handsumm brought up doesn't just affect Danny, it affects his family, his sponsors, his employer, etc. It goes a lot deeper than you think. That is why this garbage needs to be controlled and kept out of here. If you think differently, go to RSB with Fast Larry and say anything you want about anybody. That is where all that crap belongs.
not much difference
First I think you present a weak case when you say ,if pool professionals can't take the heat on AZB how can they take the heat the media is going to give them if the sport evolves into a major sport. I follow all sports closely and I dont recall ever the media defaming any athlete for no apparent reason. And if they ever did they probably would be fired. From reading your post on this matter it seems like to me that you condone this type of behavior,but what really puzzles me is your an extremely intellegent person and to take this type of a stance is a contradiction to my perception of you. Bottom line,he attacked a professional players character for no good reason ,whether it was intentional or not is not the issue,in either case it was equally as damaging to Danny.corvette1340 said:
I think all Vette is saying is that the guy posted facts and is that a reason for banning someone. Now why this guys chose to start the thread in the first place is the question. That can be construed as a reason for being banned in my opinion. Danny, as well as Billy I., Jay. John Schmidt...and many others, are all class acts from what I have seen or have talked to them and the members of this forum should be honored to have them participate on here. They dont get any kind of monetary gift for it, they do it because they love the sport and want to continue to help it grow. JMO.
Southpaw
Southpaw
Jay,in my opinion you are a top player on AZB. You have a plethora of savviness on every common sense issue ,at least the ones that I have read. It's people like you that make people like me feel comfortable posting. I want to thank you for your opinion ,you could of been a judge if you wanted to. Judge Jay,sorta like Judge Judy.jay helfert said:
corvette1340 said:
I think you have a good philosophy in mind when you say that people should have thicker skin. I agree in that I hope that all of us develop thicker skin, myself included, so that we are not affected as much by hateful things in our environments.
However, we are all human, and that isn't always easy. If we can grow missile-blocking exoskeletons, that will totally rock and I'll continue to grow mine, but while we are working on that, in some cases it's worth trying to take down the missile launchers as well.
I think with the media, any negativity you see is simply fueled by the almighty dollar. In my opinion, the media really only cares about the bottom line, not necessarily what's in the best interest of sports figures nor the game itself. Fortunately for us, AZ hasn't sold out. They are still willing to put the pros first and seem to strive to do the "right thing" as much as they can.
Now, I'm only guessing here because I don't follow any other sports forums, but I'd be surprised if there were as many sports celebrities in the baseball, football and basketball forums as there are here on AZ. If there were, I would think that the mods would go ahead and do the same as they do here, which is to protect them from the hecklers, haters and trouble makers.
Again though, I doubt they even show up so much in the first place, due to being jaded by the haters they probably have to deal with off line.
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The Judge
I would like to propose that we give Jay a new nickname. Hows this sound, Jay "The Judge" Helfertwincardona said:
wincardona said:
I do not condone this type of behavior in any way and for you to suggest that is bullshit. All I said is that the guy posted facts, not rumors, not gossip and he obviously posted it in haste without thinking to answer the question that someone posed as to why the thread was titled "Harriman Haters". I guess it was his response as to how anyone could hate Harriman, whom I have the utmost respect for. I simply disagreed with him being banned when he said he would appologize to Danny for a post that he made without thinking before he pushed the submit button. I don't know what happened behind the scenes with him and the moderators and I do not care. I have given the pros here nothing but respect and I know 90% of them personally and have interacted with them in and outside of pool, but I also speak my mind and respect others opinions even if they are different than mine. I also don't like the fact that anyone could ever suggest that I would condone this or would do it myself. Blackjack even lumped me in with Fast Larry, whom I don't know, but have heard a lot about, and that is BS also. Everyone enjoy the rest of the day. I've said all I need to as to this thread or its content.
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wincardona said:
i guess that's the only part where i'd disagree to be honest. personally i think if he didn't intend to do any harm then maybe he shouldn't have been banned and been cut a bit of slack. If he posted with the intention of damaging danny's repuation then the guy is an asshole no question about it. Nobody knows the poster personally however to find out his intentions i don't think so that's why i would have given him the benefit of the doubt. Kinda like 'innocent until proven guilty'.
But just to reiterate, i fully appreciate the damage this can do to Danny, who by many respected accounts on here is a good man. Which i believe.
Anyway just another point, it's a healthy debate on this issue with a range of opinions, which is refreshing after the board has taken a bit of flak lately.
I apologize if i'm wrong,but it seemed to me you were defending him when you said in post #9 the bottom line is that it was factual information and he was stating his opinion just like everyone else. I interpreted that statement as you condoning what he posted.And to condone something is when it's disregarded or overlooked.And I don't think that when a person apologizes it lessens the infraction,if it does than all we have to do is commit a crime and apologize and everything will be alright. There are a lot of people incarcerated that apologized.corvette1340 said: