Can't argue with that.
has earl ever had the hell beat out of him?
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Can't argue with that.
I must tell you that over the years, there have been occasions where I have required a doctor's release for a barred customer to be permitted back in. There have been times when a very good customer becomes so imbalanced and disruptive that there was nothing that could be done other than to send him out the door untill he got himself straightened around.
I know that the thought of my dress and coduct code really disturbs many readers. I am confident that if you lived in my area and experienced Gold Crown and it's clientele, you would think differently and would appreciate us.
No, I totally agree with your dress code Paul. If it was my establishment, I would handle it the way that I felt it needed to be.
I can be very anti authoritarian at times myself. I don't like big brother to dictate how I am going to live my life. Terry's way or highway.
However, by making the statement that Earl would need a Drs note in order to play at your hall, it just came off as discriminating to handicap people in general.
Fair law states that you cannot discriminate or at least, you have to treat everyone the same.
Do you have handicap access to your hall? Do you have handicap accessible washrooms? If not, you could be setting yourself up for grief in the future.
I bet that Earl would pack your place to the rafters.
I can be very anti authoritarian at times myself. I don't like big brother to dictate how I am going to live my life. Terry's way or highway.
However, by making the statement that Earl would need a Drs note in order to play at your hall, it just came off as discriminating to handicap people in general.
Fair law states that you cannot discriminate or at least, you have to treat everyone the same.
Do you have handicap access to your hall? Do you have handicap accessible washrooms? If not, you could be setting yourself up for grief in the future.
I bet that Earl would pack your place to the rafters.
Terry, most businesses have a sign near the counter that says "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." I know I've had that sign prominently posted at all businesses I've owned over the years. I've barred people from coming in, due to their behavior, at poolrooms I've owned in the past, and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. A disruptive customer cannot be allowed to ruin the experience for other people.
The problem is he attracts people hoping to see him act up.
That don't mean nothing against a street fighter with a face you can break your hand on. Most people are done the first time the blood starts flowing. Earl is no fighter, that does not make him a coward just smart enough to have better discretion in that area.
I remember being with Danny DiLiberto and a big guy started giving him a bad time. This guy stood like a head above Danny. Danny walked up to the guy and was less then a foot from him and said, "I play other sports then pool if your interested" and just stood there staring in his eyes as the guy began to back up and retreated to a chair. The points is, you can tell the real deal when you see it. Not that Danny was a bully or anything but he believed in as Barney Fifth would say, "Nip it in the bud".
The bad thing with many people and I am not saying this is Earl's case, they pick their spots. They know what they can get away with and when and with who. If he was truly nuts he would have a history of real confrontations and he doesn't. All indications are, he does what he does when he can get away with it.
Danny was also a high quality boxer, not that the guy you mentioned knew that.
Could, did, and probably still does.
That was the point of the story, the other guy could tell this was getting real and not a bluff.
Thats just how the forums roll.
Hey Liz,
This forum can be brutal at times. Earl has pissed off a bunch of fans with his never ending antics and craziness. I do wish well for Earl and pray for him. How well do you and him get along today? Have you ever tried to get him the help he needs?
Thanks,
Earl's #1 Fan
Mark
Get a lawyer then.... But your money would be much better spent taking the ex to a good doctor.
This is a sad but interesting thread. Jaco Pastorius, Elliott Smith and Bobby Fischer were all geniuses who went off the rails because of mental illness. I would add David Foster Wallace, who killed himself a year or two ago. I have no idea if Earl is in the same boat, and it's absolutely none of my business. But I hope not. That kind of psychic pain must be torture to live with.
Well, you are in law school, right? Please let us know how it is "illegal" so the mods can take it down.
I totally agree. I worked part-time in a pool room and I nipped things in the bud and that always helped me maintain a pretty positive environment. I alwys kept my eye open for problem behaviors and jumped on it quickly, quietly and without hesitation. Never had a problem with retalliation because I also did it nicely. You don't have to be aggressive to ask someone to leave, just have to be inflexible about it in a nice way. In other words, there is no other option, they have to leave.
Given this, I've been to quite a few tournaments that Earl was in and his behavior was attrocious at times. Once, the other top pros complained as a group to the tournament director to no apparent avail. I always wondered why Earl was allowed to get away with some of his poor behaviors. He was so obviously different from most of the top pros in his demeanor. Most of the other top pros exhibited exemplary behaviors.
While I thought Earl was very inappropriate at times, he is a great player. I just thought if he had to buckle down to play in tournaments, he would have found a way to put a lid on his inappropriate behaviors.
I think some tournaments directors are intimidated by players they themselves may be fans of. They want the player to like them and be their friend. I went to a tournament once and was told I could not play because I was wearing sandals. Miz comes walking in and he is wearing flip flops and huge terry cloth shorts that were beach ware. Of course the rules all of a sudden changed. In many cases the players DO make the tournament what it is and exceptions can be made to accommodate them, a star is a star. Bad behavior though is a whole other thing then dress code.
Earl by the way has always done this stuff. I was at a tournament and Earl could not have been more the 19 years old and he was not only thrown out of the tournament he was asked to leave the building. This stuff with him is nothing new.
Speaking of clothing rules, I remember a tournament that Keith was in and the rule was that you had to have dress shoes. I guess Keith didn't have any dress shoes with him so he apparently borrowed someones white loafers and they were about 3 or 4 sizes too big for him. It was pretty funny watching him try to walk around the table with these big white boats on.
As for Earl, bottom line is that he's a great pool player. Being a great pool player has nothing to do with having civility towards others. This is a problem we seem to have in this country - we equate phenomenal skills with being a good person. The two are sometimes mutually exclusive which it appears is the case with Earl.
I agree with the poster that said we shouldn't be analyzing his mental health. We can analyze his behaviors and choose to not accept those inappropriate behaviors. If enough people stop tolerating his inappropriate behaviors, maybe he will decide that it isn't in his best interest to keep them up. We can only hope this begins to happen for the sake of pool fans and more importantly for the sake of Earl himself.
Safe cushy atmosphere, huh???
Joe Rogan was one of the commentators. How cushy of a playing environment do you think it was for him that the promoters basically gave permission in advance for Earl to start out disrespected? If you want violence used on Earl, instead of skill being used on him, that says more about you than it does him. I will shake Earl's hand next time I see him for showing relative restraint up to the point he went off. If it's true that he is a person who is "off his meds," and he is a paranoid person who thinks he is under an aura of pre-ordained criticism, why bring Joe Rogan in as commentator? I like Joe Rogan, and I admire TAR for all they do. But don't bring in a guy whose only fame in the pool world is making fun of Earl then expect things to go off smoothly when you ought to know they will just go off....without the smoothly. This outburst was inevitable. If we had done vBookie on the likelihood of an outburst under these conditions, rather then the outcome of the match, all the money would have been on Earl, not the other way around.
Joe Rogan was one of the commentators. How cushy of a playing environment do you think it was for him that the promoters basically gave permission in advance for Earl to start out disrespected? If you want violence used on Earl, instead of skill being used on him, that says more about you than it does him. I will shake Earl's hand next time I see him for showing relative restraint up to the point he went off. If it's true that he is a person who is "off his meds," and he is a paranoid person who thinks he is under an aura of pre-ordained criticism, why bring Joe Rogan in as commentator? I like Joe Rogan, and I admire TAR for all they do. But don't bring in a guy whose only fame in the pool world is making fun of Earl then expect things to go off smoothly when you ought to know they will just go off....without the smoothly. This outburst was inevitable. If we had done vBookie on the likelihood of an outburst under these conditions, rather then the outcome of the match, all the money would have been on Earl, not the other way around.