HELLO!! Did We All Forget? Still Over A MILLION IPT Dollars OWED To The Players

JAM said:
His next match, he played John Schmidt on the TV table, wearing this $125 long-sleeved turtle neck silk shirt. After the match, we were informed that Keith could not wear that anymore because it looked like a long-sleeved T-shirt, even though he also was wearing his $200 vest, his $575 two-piece suit, and $225 Italian leather shoes.
JAM
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WOW...That's a lot of money invested in clothes. :eek:

There was one IPT player (no names) that had never bought a suit before - had no idea what to wear or where to buy it. With about $400 - $500 we hit Mens Wearhouse and got some pretty good deals on a few suits (hit the holiday sales) - and when he got his first check we went to JC Penney and got even better deals. The Men's Wearhouse we went to was able to tailor his shirts so that the sleeves were looser and the cuffs not so tight. He brought his cue to clearly explain his dilemma to the tailor. :p

I have always believed that you should present pool in its truest form. I never agreed with the IPT dress code at all. The players need to be comfortable. They need to be able to express their personaility. Partly, their style of dress combined with their personality is what is going to attract the fans. Not many kids are going to relate to a bunch of guys playing pool uncomfortably in suits and ties.
 
Please keep the discussion to the issues at hand now. Lets not dig up old posts from a year ago just to stir the pot.

Mike
 
JAM said:
9balllvr, Deno most definitely did not leave. In fact, he has kept in touch with the players via telephone calls and e-mails, at least with us, that he is working very hard to get every single player paid. He has called our home several times to give us updates on the status of payments forthcoming during the past year. Deno is concerned and doing everything he can to make things right, IMHO.

As a tournament director for the IPT, I thought he did a wonderful job. He handled the logistics, coordinated the matches, and was right there to answer any questions. He always was dressed to the nines and had a very professional demeanor.

Deno is a strong pool enthusiast and has participated in pool events previous to the IPT as a player of 3-cushion billiards (I think). He is an avid fan of pool and always has been. At the tournaments, there were black-and-white photos of players from yesteryear on full display. Many of them were Deno's that he placed in the venue to give it atmosphere. They were actually quite beautiful to see and really added a touch of class.

I think Deno is just as upset about what has happened as the players, but he has not abandoned the IPT. In fact, it is just the opposite. I just want to make this point because maybe some folks are not aware how hard Deno has been working behind the scenes to make things right.

As far as the WPBA goes, I am not familiar enough with the organization to know the ins and outs. There are many on this forum who despise the IPT and everything associated with it, but I felt compelled to at least put it out there that my interactions with Deno have been a positive experience. One does not have to like the IPT, Kevin Trudeau, or Deno Andrews, but I just want to give credit where credit is due. Deno Andrews has been instrumental on getting the player paid and is still working hard to get the players 100 percent paid in full. :)

JAM
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I'm sorry Jam but I can't sit here and read all this pontificating about the great Deno. That is NOT the man I know.

The Deno I know lied to me repeatedly when I inquired about $5,500 the IPT owed me. He cussed me out on the phone when I went on AZ about it as well.

His other lies have been well documented here so I don't need to go into that. If the WPBA hires this guy, they need to have their heads examined, or handed to them. The fact that they would even consider him is a major negative to me. That would be a big step backward!
 
I will take the risk of sounding corporate when I say that the AZ forum is about the best thing to happen to the IPT since the trade publishers took forever to catch up to what the readers what done.

Further organization could integrate the pool community to achieve a high standard of financial efficiency.
 
jay helfert said:
I'm sorry Jam but I can't sit here and read all this pontificating about the great Deno. That is NOT the man I know.

The Deno I know lied to me repeatedly when I inquired about $5,500 the IPT owed me. He cussed me out on the phone when I went on AZ about it as well.

His other lies have been well documented here so I don't need to go into that. If the WPBA hires this guy, they need to have their heads examined, or handed to them. The fact that they would even consider him is a major negative to me. That would be a big step backward!
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Someone once told me that you can put a $500 man in a $50 suite and you still have a $500 man. They also said that you could take a $50 man and put him in a $500 suite and you still got a $50 man. I think the same guy told me that when you lay down with DOGS, you get fleas. I suppose all these sayings are probably true. Anyone, and I mean anyone who still supports this con man honestly needs their head examined. I mean some serious therapy. If you buy me 5 new suites and vests, I am at least gonna go get a JOB! Oh God, don't suggest that, you may get lambasted.
Purdman:eek:
 
jay helfert said:
I'm sorry Jam but I can't sit here and read all this pontificating about the great Deno. That is NOT the man I know.

The Deno I know lied to me repeatedly when I inquired about $5,500 the IPT owed me. He cussed me out on the phone when I went on AZ about it as well.

His other lies have been well documented here so I don't need to go into that. If the WPBA hires this guy, they need to have their heads examined, or handed to them. The fact that they would even consider him is a major negative to me. That would be a big step backward!
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Jay, of course, I know about why you feel this way. I didn't like the fact that you couldn't hang out with us in Vegas. My first time in Vegas, my first time meeting you, and I got to see you for a quick 10 seconds! Enough time, though, for you to tell me that Keith was lucky to have such a pretty girlfriend! :D

Several years back, I was given the run-around by an unnamed entity when they owed me monies, and I was hurt that they did not come forward and level with me. As time went on, though, everything worked itself out. Today, we are friends, and there are no hard feelings. :)

Out of all the wrongs that can be done to another, owed money is the hardest to forgive. Sometimes in business, things don't always go the way we like them to. In my own industry, I have seen businesses go under, owing people money, bouncing checks even, closing up shop leaving some unpaid. It definitely does not seem fair.

Deno may not be on your birthday cake list, but I think he is getting a bad rap on this forum for some comments that were made. He is working hard behind the scenes to get all the players paid, and if it is possible for the IPT to return next year on a more economically feasible platform, it won't be such a bad thing for the players.

I just got off the phone with James Walden. Players like James and Keith hope to have tournaments in the future worth playing in. Running up and down the road, hundreds of miles, expending thousands of dollars per month, with a slim chance to make a profit is getting old. James told me he came in ninth place at the U.S. Open this year, out of 240-plus players, and he broke even. He considers himself lucky that he did break even. This is the sad state of affairs for professional pool players.

My wish would be for there to be more professional events with higher payouts. If Deno's efforts can make this happen, then he's on my birthday cake list! :p

JAM
 
Ive stayed out of this so far as it hardly seems worth wasting anytime on.

Some of the posts on this forum over this issue are perect examples why scamsters like KT will always be rich, he thrives off these people.

Some may call them naive or stupid but sadly the biggest believers seem to be the most desperate.

It's very very sad that pool is in such a desperate state (in the states at least) that people are willing to give somebody like KT a second chance after all he has done!

PS
It was interesting to read in the paper today that Ronnie Osullivan has been paid $1,000,000 to star in a string of commericals (dressed as James Bond 00147!) in China.

IMO the WPA should be kicking down the chinese door and grabbing a pecie of this pie for pool players. Lets be honest here, 99% of pool players don't give a sh*t where they play they just want to earn a decent living and be respected. If America doesnt love pool then take it to a place that does and lets stop sucking up to opportunist con artists like KT.

Lets have some self respect here and stop selling our souls to the devil for a quick buck! :rolleyes:
 
HouseMan said:
The saying is to cut off your nose to spite your face. Just incase your were not aware.
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Holy crap, a rare mis-step by me. And I know what the saying is. But thanks anyway.
 
JAM said:
Jay, of course, I know about why you feel this way. I didn't like the fact that you couldn't hang out with us in Vegas. My first time in Vegas, my first time meeting you, and I got to see you for a quick 10 seconds! Enough time, though, for you to tell me that Keith was lucky to have such a pretty girlfriend! :D

Several years back, I was given the run-around by an unnamed entity when they owed me monies, and I was hurt that they did not come forward and level with me. As time went on, though, everything worked itself out. Today, we are friends, and there are no hard feelings. :)

Out of all the wrongs that can be done to another, owed money is the hardest to forgive. Sometimes in business, things don't always go the way we like them to. In my own industry, I have seen businesses go under, owing people money, bouncing checks even, closing up shop leaving some unpaid. It definitely does not seem fair.

Deno may not be on your birthday cake list, but I think he is getting a bad rap on this forum for some comments that were made. He is working hard behind the scenes to get all the players paid, and if it is possible for the IPT to return next year on a more economically feasible platform, it won't be such a bad thing for the players.

I just got off the phone with James Walden. Players like James and Keith hope to have tournaments in the future worth playing in. Running up and down the road, hundreds of miles, expending thousands of dollars per month, with a slim chance to make a profit is getting old. James told me he came in ninth place at the U.S. Open this year, out of 240-plus players, and he broke even. He considers himself lucky that he did break even. This is the sad state of affairs for professional pool players.

My wish would be for there to be more professional events with higher payouts. If Deno's efforts can make this happen, then he's on my birthday cake list! :p

JAM
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Thanks for your measured response. When I hear a sincere apology from him for the way I was treated (while I was supporting the IPT) then I will consider forgiving him.
 
Why wait ?

jay helfert said:
Thanks for your measured response. When I hear a sincere apology from him for the way I was treated (while I was supporting the IPT) then I will consider forgiving him.
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Fair Request ! ! ! :)
 
I Will Gladly Apologize Today, For Sins I Will Commit on Tuesday

jay helfert said:
When I hear a sincere apology from him for the way I was treated (while I was supporting the IPT) then I will consider forgiving him.
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I'd like to sincerely apologize to you right now and ask for your forgiveness,
for things that I am sure to say in the future.

Doug
( DEAL ? ) :)
 
steveharn said:
Is it true that Keith sold his share of winnings to Incardona for cash?
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I read that over a year ago, check the IPT forum. JAM, Keith's girl told us that Keith sold his $5000
check to Billy for $4500. She said that Keith can smell the sweet scent of cash on Billy a mile away! :D
 
Smorgass Bored said:
I'd like to sincerely apologize to you right now and ask for your forgiveness,
for things that I am sure to say in the future.

Doug
( DEAL ? ) :)
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Apology accepted. Slash away.:D
 
Neil said:
Why does everybody make such a big deal about the players still getting paid?? At least they are still getting paid. I'm no big fan of K.T., but I just don't see where he has done anything that others haven't done. Barry Berhman (sp??) has done close to the same thing. Some players never will get paid from one of his events.

The way I see it, K.T. looks at it as a business. Which he should. And this kind of cheap moves happen a LOT in big business. It's not much different than all the job layoffs, IMHO.

Last year I had to take a paycut when we were waiting news on a raise. The shareholders took a hit due to the downturn in the building industry, and they wanted the same money they were getting when the industry was at it's peak. So the employees got stuck making up the difference.

To me, that is about the same thing.-Expecting one payday, and getting just the opposite. At least the pool players are still getting their money.
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Business and ethics don't have to be mutually exclusive.

The remaining payouts aren't analogous to a layoff. In a layoff you're told that your services aren't needed for the foreseeable future, but you get paid for the work you've already done. In the IPT situation some of the players already rendered the agreed upon service, but are still waiting to be compensated. In no arena with any pretense of legality is that acceptable.

The original question reminded me of the last two presidential elections. I don't want to debate it here, but the fact is that many people think Bush stole those elections. Yet it became water under the bridge within a month. It's not what many people want, but seems to be what they're stuck with.
 
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LC3 said:
Business and ethics don't have to be mutually exclusive.

It's not what many people want, but seems to be what they're stuck with.
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Well there ya go. Stuck! As in S.O.L.
 
jay helfert said:
I'm sorry Jam but I can't sit here and read all this pontificating about the great Deno. That is NOT the man I know.

The Deno I know lied to me repeatedly when I inquired about $5,500 the IPT owed me. He cussed me out on the phone when I went on AZ about it as well.

His other lies have been well documented here so I don't need to go into that. If the WPBA hires this guy, they need to have their heads examined, or handed to them. The fact that they would even consider him is a major negative to me. That would be a big step backward!
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I agree with Jay. Very well said indeed!
 
TheOne said:
Ive stayed out of this so far as it hardly seems worth wasting anytime on.

Some of the posts on this forum over this issue are perect examples why scamsters like KT will always be rich, he thrives off these people.

Some may call them naive or stupid but sadly the biggest believers seem to be the most desperate.

It's very very sad that pool is in such a desperate state (in the states at least) that people are willing to give somebody like KT a second chance after all he has done!

PS
It was interesting to read in the paper today that Ronnie Osullivan has been paid $1,000,000 to star in a string of commericals (dressed as James Bond 00147!) in China.

IMO the WPA should be kicking down the chinese door and grabbing a pecie of this pie for pool players. Lets be honest here, 99% of pool players don't give a sh*t where they play they just want to earn a decent living and be respected. If America doesnt love pool then take it to a place that does and lets stop sucking up to opportunist con artists like KT.

Lets have some self respect here and stop selling our souls to the devil for a quick buck! :rolleyes:
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I don't know why yall are being sow hard on Mr. Truedoe, him being such a ginerous man and all. I wus gonna quit playin pool till I hurd he wus gonna give everbody a menamum of $100,000 a year. Ain't no way I'm gonna quit till I get in a cupple of years at that rate. Lets see, two year times $100,000 thats thats uh thats morr than $100,000. Heck, with that kinda money I'd pay to sign up for his tour ever year. I'd buy some of them books he has two, cepting wright now it wouldn't do no good. But soon as he figures out a cure for ill-litercee I'll buy one of them books for each of my kinfolk.
Happy Hollerdays everbody
 
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