Can I call you Bob?
Help ID this old cue? Cortland wrap, etc.
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Can I call you Bob?
it's smells minty fresh, like an irish spring
here's a SchonBoti
You're not fooling me with your photoshop work, that's a Bushka blank Dufferin.
It is just like Robert Weir to run and hide when he is exposed!!!! I really don't get it there is actually nothing wrong with Adam cues, I think they hit pretty darn good!!!!!!!
Aint Robert Weir cause he was a brainchild of DICK's fertile HEAD.
That "MARYJANE" thing does ring a bell, esp in conjunction with a FL addy, i'm thinkin it may be another variant of EDDIE...
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There's no phenolic "buzz ring" joining the handle to the forearm.
The wrap was installed the opposite way of most current cuebuilders, with the wrap on the backside of the lathe and linen being pulled over the top of the cue.
There are two glue relieve holes for the A Joing.
There are 3 holes in the handle, equidistant across the radius of the handle just above the buttsleeve. The wrap was secured in one hole, the other two were empty.
There is something written in pencil on the wrap; I couldn't tell what it says.
There's no phenolic "buzz ring" joining the handle to the forearm.
The wrap was installed the opposite way of most current cuebuilders, with the wrap on the backside of the lathe and linen being pulled over the top of the cue.
There are two glue relieve holes for the A Joing.
There are 3 holes in the handle, equidistant across the radius of the handle just above the buttsleeve. The wrap was secured in one hole, the other two were empty.
There is something written in pencil on the wrap; I couldn't tell what it says.
It is obvious the writing spells "Prince"
It may have been re-wrapped and someone wrote the owner's name to ID the cue.
I think your correct Tate, I also suspect that some one named Prince re-wrapped the cue sometime in the past. But it appears that it was done some time ago, or the cue was very poorly stored. I have re-wrapped a number of cues myself and found names, numbers, and once I found kilroy was here, now that was some funny shit!!!!
Take care Chris
Come on guy's Robert Weir is a sly bird but I new he would show up on this board sooner or later. Have you noticed since I outed him he has not posted again!!!!!
Have a great Fourth of July Fred!!!!!
Robert Weir cues...from Florida"
I think I may have one of his cues :killingme::killingme::killingme::killingme::
I had the same exact cue which was a Joss. Sigh, I sold it to someone in the poolroom for $250...he in turned sent it to Jim Buss to have it refinished. It sold for $1000 around 10 years ago...sigh again! Email me if you want to sell it in "As is" condition.
He makes cues, in the traditional styling"
kinda like Szambini and Barbalooska, I'm told
Mr. Showman is NOT Robert Weir, nor would he ever use Adam forearms as Craig was joking about, because he builds his own magnificent cues as we all know.
But if you see a cue with a flying "W" decal with wings on the forearm, it's a line marketed by purportedly custom cue maker Robert Weir. He held himself to be a custom cue maker and sold fancy custom cues for middle of the road prices in the 1980's. Problem was the whole flying "W" line was made by Adam and marketed falsely as a custom line.
He was the Bernie Madoff of cueland!.
Here's the story told by many different posts second hand from information I found in forums, gathered, and posted long ago. These conflicting accounts tell a story. Believe what you choose to.
The following post(s)/comments were taken from cueauctions forum. Read & believe what ever part(s) you wish. THESE ARE POSTS...NOT INFO THAT I AM SWEARING TO.
"Rumor has it in the south east part of the country, that Bob Weir did make a few cues in the late 1970's-early 80's. But the federal government banned him from making any more cues due to failure to pay federal taxes on the cues he sold. So he went to work part-time for other highly respected cue makers (I heard he did some work for Bill Schick for awhile). I own half a dozen of Bobs cues I've acquired over the past 15 years, and I'm keeping what I have, and have strongly refused to sell any of them!
"What do I know about Weir. He made about 50 cues or so. No more than 100 cues total. Cues were made in the early 80s. He made cues and never reported his income. So the IRS bashed the door in. In his plea bargain he had to pay back taxes (after all IRS always gets their's) and would serve no jail time (he was old at the time-don't know if he is living or not now) so long as he doesn't make anymore cues. So he stopped making cues. Sold all of the equipment to pay taxes."
1983 to 1984 or 85 I know because Bob was, (haven't seen him in years)a good friend of mine. He first showed his cues at a tournament at a place called Red's in 1983. I flew out to Huston to play in the tournament and Bob was there showing the cues. He was somewhat of a fake in that he never made anything. Nothing wrong with that, except he was not honest about it at the time. I know he did not do the cue thing for very long. He also owned a pool room in Ashville, I believe he bought from Wade Crane. Bob was the black sheep in a jet set type of family. Big Bucks.
To the best of my knowledge, Robert Weir never made a cue. He had cues, made in Japan by Adams, embossed with his logo and sold them as if he was the cuemaker. I just ran across one of his brochures in an old file the other day and got a chuckle.
I believe you have a cue made by fantasy cuemaker Robert Weir. The cues were really made by Adam in Japan. Another bit of subterfuge by Dick Helmstetter.
Robert Weir was/is a real person and a cuemaker apprentice of sorts who had a line of cues made by Helmstetter/Adams for him with his logo and no other. The details are sketchy on whether Bob Weir claimed to actually have made the cues or not. I bought one a long time ago with the impression that he had actually made the cue. During the course of research and the ensuing verbal battle waged I learned more details including the fact that Helmstetter was the maker. That said there was nothing inferior about the cue I had. I wish that I had kept it in retrospect because these cues are relatively rare and they are representative of what has become a fairly common practice. Apparently it was quite a scandal when it was "discovered" that Bob Weir was not the actual maker of the cues.
Weir cues were a private label made by Adams/Helmstetter in the 80s. Decent cues - sort of collectible. Apparently Bob Weir passed them off as his own work. If you want the full story you would need to contact Richard Black. Bob Weir worked for him for a while. Richard may or may not be inclined to go into it.
John was also "right on" about the pedigree. Adams/Helmstetter made them as a private label and Robert Weir passed them off as his own creations. Was sort of a scandal when it came to light!
Dick Helmstetter / Adams Cues has a long history of attaching "famous" names to a line of mass-produced low-end cues: The "Robert Weir" line - this was the most deceptive attempt, because Robert Weir really did exist. He was a pool player in Texas. But he didn't build the cues. The brochure claimed that he had been making cues for twenty years, though the brand was actually new, with NO mention of Japan as the real country of origin. The Texas address was a postal box; the cues were built in Japan and shipped to Texas for distribution. There was also a well-known American cuemaker involved in the scheme; his shop was to be used for service and repair work (name withheld to protect the guilty). This episode in cuemaking history actually became somewhat of a scandal within the 'inner circle' of cuemakers. Thomas Wayne
A dealer at "MOTHERS BILLIARD PARLOR" named Gene, in Charlotte, NC sold Bob Weir cues nearly 20 years ago. He told me long ago there were between 350-400, guessing! I bought a used high-end Weir cue from a guy in 1992 and he showed me the bill of sale from 1984. And I had a guy in Jacksonville, FL. begged me to sell it, and offered me $1,000 for and I sold it, and I wish I hadn't
Chris
Aint Robert Weir cause he was a brainchild of DICK's fertile HEAD.
That "MARYJANE" thing does ring a bell, esp in conjunction with a FL addy, i'm thinkin it may be another variant of EDDIE...
Actually Robert Weir was/is a real person. I once sold a Robert Weir cue that I had taken in on trade and since I didn't know the whole story I sold it as if it had been built by Robert Weir.
The buyer eventually found out the real story that we all now know that the cues were a private label brand made by Adams/Helmstedder. I offered to refund the money but the buyer elected to keep the cue.
A little bit later Richard Black filled me in on the story with a LOT more details and asked me not to repeat it and so I won't. Suffice it to say that Robert Weir was one of the first people to have private label cues made by someone else and pass them off as his own but he certainly wasn't the last.
A little bit later Richard Black filled me in on the story with a LOT more details and asked me not to repeat it and so I won't
John, when did you have this discussion with Richard Black?
Mr. Showman is NOT Robert Weir, nor would he ever use Adam forearms as Craig was joking about, because he builds his own magnificent cues as we all know.
Chris, are saying that merylen is actually John Showman? Do you mean to say that all this time, I have been joking around with one of the most highly respected cue makers in the country? Holy shit Batman, thanks for the heads up, man I feel like a fool!!!!!:embarrassed2:
Yeppers! However, I feel this icon would have been more appropriate...LoL!
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