Help Needed with "Perfection" Stats!
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We need some stats on Allison Fisher, too - she's been female player of the decade before, right? I wonder how many tournaments in a row she's won?
As for CJ - When Johnny and Earl came to Dallas about a year or so ago for the Teaching School and Exhibition, CJ showed up. CJ mentioned he was working on a documentary about Earl's run. He didn't seem upset. But I was still arms length away when they were all talking about it with each other.
There is no doubt that Allison Fisher is the best female pool player in her era, and the number of wins she has is way too many to count on my fingers and toes .
I am going out of town this weekend and will check the thread Monday and hopefully there will be additional posts if people think of other "records."
I see I have my hands full on research when I get back because there is A LOT of great info here!
Thank you, all so much!!
I think the examples should be from tournament play, not gambling matches. Furthermore they should be documented not anectdotal.
My vote is for Oliver Ortmann's consecutive perfect matches in World 14.1 tournmament, 100 and out, 100 and out and 150 and out, followed by a 125 ball run.
Ronnie recently became the first player to ever achieve 10 maximum (perfect) breaks in televised competition. The story behind this is after potting two balls, he asked if there was a prize for the maximum.
Also perfect should be perfect, not really good. So earl's 11 racks don't count as his opponent had a shot.
My vote is for Oliver Ortmann's consecutive perfect matches in World 14.1 tournmament, 100 and out, 100 and out and 150 and out, followed by a 125 ball run.
Ronnie recently became the first player to ever achieve 10 maximum (perfect) breaks in televised competition. The story behind this is after potting two balls, he asked if there was a prize for the maximum.
Also perfect should be perfect, not really good. So earl's 11 racks don't count as his opponent had a shot.
Allison Fisher's accomplishments are quite daunting. She has won over 90%of all the matches she has ever played. I believe she won 8 tournaments in a row between 1996 and 1997. She is the 11 time player of the year in a 12 year span.
Karen Corr was the first and only player to make a clean sweep of the WPBA tour in 2001 when she won every classic tour stop. And the three events she did not win that year, she got 2nd. However, they were either international events or not classic tour stops.
In snooker, Stephen Hendry in the 1994 UK Championship final against Ken Doherty scored 7 centuries in his 10 frame to 5 victory.
Most of the incredible stuff in the men's world of pool has already been covered. Efren kept Francisco Bustamante seated for 9 consecutive racks in the semi-finals of the 1999 World Pool Championship.
Oh and let me add about Allison, she is probably the most winning person in all of sports period ever. She had over 80 national titles in snooker including 11 World Championships and then came over to the United States and won over 75 pool titles so that would actually rank her I believe first once everything is said and done...even over Martina Navratilova I believe.
Karen Corr was the first and only player to make a clean sweep of the WPBA tour in 2001 when she won every classic tour stop. And the three events she did not win that year, she got 2nd. However, they were either international events or not classic tour stops.
In snooker, Stephen Hendry in the 1994 UK Championship final against Ken Doherty scored 7 centuries in his 10 frame to 5 victory.
Most of the incredible stuff in the men's world of pool has already been covered. Efren kept Francisco Bustamante seated for 9 consecutive racks in the semi-finals of the 1999 World Pool Championship.
Oh and let me add about Allison, she is probably the most winning person in all of sports period ever. She had over 80 national titles in snooker including 11 World Championships and then came over to the United States and won over 75 pool titles so that would actually rank her I believe first once everything is said and done...even over Martina Navratilova I believe.
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First of all, Wade Crane's perfect 1.000 came in a Race to Seven! I was the TD at Resorts in Atlantic City. He had to win another Race to Seven to win the title and he did. But that one wasn't perfect. It was on TV though. Somewhere in the archives of ESPN that match may still exist.
Here's a couple of good stats for you. Mike Sigel won eleven final matches in a row! Not eleven tournaments in a row, but eleven straight times when he reached the finals, he won. These weren't some small local tournaments either. They were all major events with strong fields, and he had to beat a champion player each time. Varner, Efren, Buddy, Miz, he knocked them all off!
Here's the capper though. Jean Baluaks won the last SIXTEEN tournaments she played in ..... then she retired from professional pool (over a $200 fine!). Let's hear about any other athlete in any sport who can top that.
I was there in Dallas as well when Earl ran ELEVEN consecutive racks. In fact I racked the last five racks. He did make three nine balls on the break during his run .... all prior to me racking.
Ronnie Allen once ran ten and out four games in a row (One Pocket). It was a money game (can't remember his opponent) and I witnessed that feat as well. I couldn't tell you how many times I saw Ronnie run all fifteen balls either practicing or for money (when he was giving up big weight). Let's just say he did it a lot of times.
By the way, Taylor's record for Banks was 37 in a row. It was emblazoned on all his posters. He told me he did it in a money game. You know me, I had to ask. :wink:
Here's a couple of good stats for you. Mike Sigel won eleven final matches in a row! Not eleven tournaments in a row, but eleven straight times when he reached the finals, he won. These weren't some small local tournaments either. They were all major events with strong fields, and he had to beat a champion player each time. Varner, Efren, Buddy, Miz, he knocked them all off!
Here's the capper though. Jean Baluaks won the last SIXTEEN tournaments she played in ..... then she retired from professional pool (over a $200 fine!). Let's hear about any other athlete in any sport who can top that.
I was there in Dallas as well when Earl ran ELEVEN consecutive racks. In fact I racked the last five racks. He did make three nine balls on the break during his run .... all prior to me racking.
Ronnie Allen once ran ten and out four games in a row (One Pocket). It was a money game (can't remember his opponent) and I witnessed that feat as well. I couldn't tell you how many times I saw Ronnie run all fifteen balls either practicing or for money (when he was giving up big weight). Let's just say he did it a lot of times.
By the way, Taylor's record for Banks was 37 in a row. It was emblazoned on all his posters. He told me he did it in a money game. You know me, I had to ask. :wink:
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Perhaps a good choice^^
personally the best money-player i saw playing. Watched Francisco many times just playing the *necessary* level. Was a pleasure to see how he was able to increase his game for money. At this time he was new in germany-and it s hard it you asked this guy about the other pinoys..and he always answered...nono, there are some much better guys. LOL ^^
I know Ronnie O'Sullivan and Jimmy White playing doubles in Ireland last year had back to back 147's which I believe is the only time it's been done.
Also Joe Davis won the World Snooker Championship from 1927 - 1940 then again in 1946 after WW2 (not played in '41-45) making him World Champion 15 times. He retired after that last win in '46 making him the only undefeated player in World Championship history. His brother Fred Davis won the tilte 3 times after Joe in '48, '49 & '51, the family therefore picked up 18 Snooker World Titles.
Also Joe Davis won the World Snooker Championship from 1927 - 1940 then again in 1946 after WW2 (not played in '41-45) making him World Champion 15 times. He retired after that last win in '46 making him the only undefeated player in World Championship history. His brother Fred Davis won the tilte 3 times after Joe in '48, '49 & '51, the family therefore picked up 18 Snooker World Titles.
Thank you so much, Neil, for the bump while I was out of town in Las Vegas!
Perfection stats
Ralph Greenleaf had many tournaments where he never missed a called ball the entire tournament.
Walter Lindrum played English Billiards so much better than everyone else that they just quit playing the game.
Alfredo de Oro was World Champion more times than anyone else and they never allowed him to keep the 3 cushion title at the same time as he held the Pocket Billiard championship, each time he became world champion at one of the games they stripped him of his title and he had to win it back. He was also the only person to ever go to England and beat them at English Billiards {he went before Walter Lindrum} but he beat John Roberts who had been champion for 20 years.
Tom Reece 200,000 points at straight rail billiards without a miss {it took a couple of weeks to complete}
Ralph Greenleaf had many tournaments where he never missed a called ball the entire tournament.
Walter Lindrum played English Billiards so much better than everyone else that they just quit playing the game.
Alfredo de Oro was World Champion more times than anyone else and they never allowed him to keep the 3 cushion title at the same time as he held the Pocket Billiard championship, each time he became world champion at one of the games they stripped him of his title and he had to win it back. He was also the only person to ever go to England and beat them at English Billiards {he went before Walter Lindrum} but he beat John Roberts who had been champion for 20 years.
Tom Reece 200,000 points at straight rail billiards without a miss {it took a couple of weeks to complete}
I have an little update for ya. But first, a BIG thank you to all the replies and help!
I sent ESPN Magazine some of the stats from this thread and they were very gracious for every-one's help! I don't know which ones or how many they used for their magazine, but as a reminder, they were looking for data to be used in an article about "perfection in sports."
The issue will be available after Thanksgiving.
Thanks again!!
I sent ESPN Magazine some of the stats from this thread and they were very gracious for every-one's help! I don't know which ones or how many they used for their magazine, but as a reminder, they were looking for data to be used in an article about "perfection in sports."
The issue will be available after Thanksgiving.
Thanks again!!
Looks like Pool may not have made the cut?
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5870190
Waiting for my magazine to come through snail mail.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5870190
Waiting for my magazine to come through snail mail.
Looks like Billiards Made it!!! A BIG thank you for everyone's help!!
My blog has a scan of the Billiards section. Check out who/what they wrote about!
http://pooljourney.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-espn-magazine.html
Chris.
That was by no means "bogus". I witnessed the 11 racks, of which the last 6 where on video. John, Robin and I think Jay were all part of the Tournament team. The million dollars was just as real. Fifty thousand a year for 20 years. Earl settled for much less....go figure.
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I still think this should have been the "perfect" billiards story. What I meant by bogus was the prize of $1,000,000. I just recall that it wasn't so cut and dry that the prize was actually insured, and that Earl had to settle for a lot less than $1,000,000.
Anyway, to me it is the greatest single perfect feat in pool - to break and run 11 racks for $1,000,000 on demand. I think that's a lot more difficult than running 150 and out - which a lot of pro players have done.
Chris
Fat Randy
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I was wondering who knows about this Fat Randy stat... I am from Tulsa and Fat Randy is legendary. I'd like to hear more about him, especially after I spoke to a guy named Geno who claims to have been his backer and road partner......