here is the respect we get in the media

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Con artists go where the money is. Low-end cheats will hang out by the pool table of a sleazy bar; the white-shoe, silk-tie variety sets a shingle on Wall Street. For grifters, it is all about knowing who their targeted demographic is and figuring out how to earn its members' trust.

When that sales rep goes into the manager's office to plead your case regarding the offer you made on a car, very rarely does he have your best interest at heart. It is merely a show to gain your trust, with the supposed middleman going through the motions before gearing up to convince you that, because of his mean old boss, "this is the best price I can do."
The lesson: Separate emotion from business. That sales rep may seem nice. He may have pictures of his lovely family on the wall. He may laugh at your jokes. Who cares? At the end of the day, you are looking to make a deal, not a friend. Don't let a nice smile or friendly banter cheat you out of money.
 
I get a little bummed when I see this but I guess I can't really blame them. We are guilty of it, most all of us on here. What are the two movies that are most talked about on here? The Color Of Money and The Hustler. (both of which I love) But these movies portray and perpetuate the hustling underbelly of the pool world don't they?

I know they are about allot more than that but to those outside of the pool world they see cheats, scammers and hustlers being glorified. So I guess I can't blame them too much, I just wish people like that would realize that there is allot more that pool has to offer.
 
I just dont like the "Low end" comment, and if I play better than a drunk, am I cheating?

Is shane cheating if I play him even?
 
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Fatboy2 said:
i copied it #11:


Con artists go where the money is. Low-end cheats will hang out by the pool table of a sleazy bar; the white-shoe, silk-tie variety sets a shingle on Wall Street. For grifters, it is all about knowing who their targeted demographic is and figuring out how to earn its members' trust.

When that sales rep goes into the manager's office to plead your case regarding the offer you made on a car, very rarely does he have your best interest at heart. It is merely a show to gain your trust, with the supposed middleman going through the motions before gearing up to convince you that, because of his mean old boss, "this is the best price I can do."
The lesson: Separate emotion from business. That sales rep may seem nice. He may have pictures of his lovely family on the wall. He may laugh at your jokes. Who cares? At the end of the day, you are looking to make a deal, not a friend. Don't let a nice smile or friendly banter cheat you out of money.
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Remember what Henry Ford said " I don't care what they say about me as long as they mention my name" At least the word Pool was mentioned,better then if they said Texas Holdem.
 
He is right about the high end grifters. They can be vary smooth, and they'll spend money to gain trust.

Those of you that have never been approached by one are probably broke.
 
Its ture!

Love the game, play everyday I can, but look around next time your in a pool hall..., not one of these dance clubs with a bunch of tables calling themselfs a pool hall, not a bar calling its self a pool hall..., but a real old school, you got action pool hall and you'll see that all tha action aint on the tables.

Its the way its been, its the way its going to be, no big deal..., thoses that deal in it know where to find it and it aint just at the pool halls.
 
King T said:
Love the game, play everyday I can, but look around next time your in a pool hall..., not one of these dance clubs with a bunch of tables calling themselfs a pool hall, not a bar calling its self a pool hall..., but a real old school, you got action pool hall and you'll see that all tha action aint on the tables.

Its the way its been, its the way its going to be, no big deal..., thoses that deal in it know where to find it and it aint just at the pool halls.
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Right on King T!
 
Hard to get all offended, they didn't call any names did they?

What was written is very true in some cases. When money is involved there are going to some who will pull any trick to get the cash. Balls in the overalls? wetting the chalk? Sharking? These are cheating tactics. Ain't nothing funny bout this when it's my money on the light.

If the shoe fits wear it. If you don't do these things, then they weren't writting about you. :grin:

PS: I do not gamble, never have, but I learned about these things right here on AZ.
 
Let's face it, the pool movies reinforce pool's negative image. As I understand it, the screenplay for "The Color of Money" was shown to some pool afficianados and the scenes including pool were, to some extent, revised based on the feedback. And yet, somehow, we still end up with the "two brothers and a stranger" scene.

Vincent (Tom Cruise) is, initially, repulsed by the deception in which he is asked by Eddie Felson (Paul Newman) to play a role. He gradually comes to embrace the needling and trash talking that are fundamental components of hustling. Vincent even goes as far as dumping while side betting on himself to turn a profit. Eddie Felson is now repulsed by what Vincent has become and ultimately admits that he used him.

By the end of the film, both main characters have both embraced the action scene and taken exception to its inherent immorality.

Pool may look cool in pool movies, but these movies reinforce all the negative stereotypes by which pool is still defined.
 
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Here is a guy who is proud that he is a cheat:

"I doctored a 9 footer at the pool hall I worked at for the single purpose of making a trap for the break and run we held during our weekly tournament... You never shot at the right head pocket from down table and expected it to go unless you lagged it in.... We got up over 2k several times at 2bucks a head per week....."
The Renfro!
 
playpool2 said:
Here is a guy who is proud that he is a cheat:

"I doctored a 9 footer at the pool hall I worked at for the single purpose of making a trap for the break and run we held during our weekly tournament... You never shot at the right head pocket from down table and expected it to go unless you lagged it in.... We got up over 2k several times at 2bucks a head per week....."
The Renfro!
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Is this some guys idea for receiving a badge of honor??If it is,Bull....!
 
This behavior is *not* restricted to pool, though some may like to showcase pool as the black sheep in the family, so to speak.

Look at the low-life loan companies preying on innocent people with bad credit or no credit who need money to save their homes. They bait them in, paying huge up-front fees, and then do nothing to help them. Some end up losing their home to these loan grifters.

Some credit card companies do the same thing, enticing new customers and then slamming them with extra charges after the fact, making tens of millions of dollars while their customers literally go broke. There's no laws ruling the credit card companies -- and now the banks. They can pad on fees and extra charges willy-nilly in order to make a profit.

Insurance companies, especially medical insurance companies, are doing the same thing, trying to trick the public with their foolery. They raise the premiums every year 25, 30, 35, and 40 percent, and there ain't nothing the citizenry can do about it.

No, this is not restricted to pool. In fact, pool is mild compared to some of these above-referenced entities who got rich while their unsuspecting customers suffered.
 
I think the key words here really are " sleazy bar ". for those that hang out in these places will find that bird of a feather flock together..so whether it's on a pool table or bar top...sleazy is still sleazy.
 
JAM said:
This behavior is *not* restricted to pool, though some may like to showcase pool as the black sheep in the family, so to speak.

Look at the low-life loan companies preying on innocent people with bad credit or no credit who need money to save their homes. They bait them in, paying huge up-front fees, and then do nothing to help them. Some end up losing their home to these loan grifters.

Some credit card companies do the same thing, enticing new customers and then slamming them with extra charges after the fact, making tens of millions of dollars while their customers literally go broke. There's no laws ruling the credit card companies -- and now the banks. They can pad on fees and extra charges willy-nilly in order to make a profit.

Insurance companies, especially medical insurance companies, are doing the same thing, trying to trick the public with their foolery. They raise the premiums every year 25, 30, 35, and 40 percent, and there ain't nothing the citizenry can do about it.

No, this is not restricted to pool. In fact, pool is mild compared to some of these above-referenced entities who got rich while their unsuspecting customers suffered.
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This is very true, white collar crime and loan cons have caused way more damage than any cheat in a pool hall. The sad thing is, allot of what they do is "legal".
 
I love sleazy bars.
I tried talking a banger ,in a very high-end bar, into playing for money and before I knew what happened two big guys, one on each arm, escorted me to the curb. The only words they spoke were ," And STAY out!"
 
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franko said:
Remember what Henry Ford said " I don't care what they say about me as long as they mention my name" At least the word Pool was mentioned,better then if they said Texas Holdem.
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Henry Ford also said: "I want tires that are black, round, and cheap. I don't really care how round they are, nor hor black they are, but I do care how cheap they are."
 
JAM said:
This behavior is *not* restricted to pool, though some may like to showcase pool as the black sheep in the family, so to speak.

Look at the low-life loan companies preying on innocent people with bad credit or no credit who need money to save their homes. They bait them in, paying huge up-front fees, and then do nothing to help them. Some end up losing their home to these loan grifters.

Some credit card companies do the same thing, enticing new customers and then slamming them with extra charges after the fact, making tens of millions of dollars while their customers literally go broke. There's no laws ruling the credit card companies -- and now the banks. They can pad on fees and extra charges willy-nilly in order to make a profit.

Insurance companies, especially medical insurance companies, are doing the same thing, trying to trick the public with their foolery. They raise the premiums every year 25, 30, 35, and 40 percent, and there ain't nothing the citizenry can do about it.

No, this is not restricted to pool. In fact, pool is mild compared to some of these above-referenced entities who got rich while their unsuspecting customers suffered.
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Great post MS.
 
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