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n33njah

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So i'm in my local room tonight practicing a couple of banking drills and the dreaded "circle" drill that we all love to hate. Anyway this local guy comes in, that most of the people in our room dont know but he's been around a time or two.

He instantly walks up to the strongest stick in the house, and proceeds to get destroyed in a race for time. turns to the rest of us railbirding the massacre that occured and he's like "anyone else got balls enough to step up and play for a couple of bucks a game?" and i immediately stood up and gave him the famous huckleberry quote.

I get involved and start actually watching this kid stroke and work around a table and realize that 100% he's sandbagging and trying to get me overconfident, so i immediately turned it down a notch and give him a few rough "luck safe" cuts that he can enjoy. Anyway we play for about 30 minutes at 2 a game and I end up like 4 ahead, he hands me a 5 and i get him a cold drink to even out. He then asks to play a race to 5 for 20, clearly stating that "all i have is 20, so winner will pay time and we'll play again this weekend." Okay did I play this move right??

I played him rough and close the entire set, but when it got down to it hill hill I dogged the 9 intentionally. Of course he immediately is happy and fires it in clean. He's coming back friday night with at least a 100 to play against me. Was dogging down to this guy the best way to play it out? Knowing full well that i have a chance friday night to turn 5 to 1 on my money??
Just wondering if this was the "correct move".
 
If you can beat him, youll have his action at this point.... so yes. But you are overthinking the situation. He does not sound like some big time hustler who was out to set something up. Take his action and his money, but do it nicely, and quietly to maximize how long he is willing to play you.
Chuck
 
n33njah said:
So i'm in my local room tonight practicing a couple of banking drills and the dreaded "circle" drill that we all love to hate. Anyway this local guy comes in, that most of the people in our room dont know but he's been around a time or two.

He instantly walks up to the strongest stick in the house, and proceeds to get destroyed in a race for time. turns to the rest of us railbirding the massacre that occured and he's like "anyone else got balls enough to step up and play for a couple of bucks a game?" and i immediately stood up and gave him the famous huckleberry quote.

I get involved and start actually watching this kid stroke and work around a table and realize that 100% he's sandbagging and trying to get me overconfident, so i immediately turned it down a notch and give him a few rough "luck safe" cuts that he can enjoy. Anyway we play for about 30 minutes at 2 a game and I end up like 4 ahead, he hands me a 5 and i get him a cold drink to even out. He then asks to play a race to 5 for 20, clearly stating that "all i have is 20, so winner will pay time and we'll play again this weekend." Okay did I play this move right??

I played him rough and close the entire set, but when it got down to it hill hill I dogged the 9 intentionally. Of course he immediately is happy and fires it in clean. He's coming back friday night with at least a 100 to play against me. Was dogging down to this guy the best way to play it out? Knowing full well that i have a chance friday night to turn 5 to 1 on my money??
Just wondering if this was the "correct move".
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Maybe in the movies but not in real life. You don't let the sucker get you stuck. You get ahead and then let them chase their money. If he quits early then you were not going to win anything anyway. If he starts chasing his money then you can stall keeping him on the hook.

Never let the sucker play with free money, they will quit you even or ahead almost every time. You should not have let him win, it has no bearing on whether he will come back and play some more if he has any gamble in him at all. In fact him losing that hill/hill would have been more likely to make him want to came back and play more.

The point is,
If you win and he quits right off the bat, even if it was close, he is a nit and you weren't going to win anything anyway. But if you win and he keeps playing, it shows he has a little heart and you may make a score if you do it right from that point.

"Never let the sucker play with your money, just chase their own."
 
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Why not just beat him and take his $20? If you were both on the hill, he already knows he can keep up with you so I'm sure he would have come back anyways. That's a $40 swing you took right there. Now if you win the $100, you're up $60 on him. At the end of the day, you're only getting 3-1 on your money. And moreover, if you were both on the hill, he has a good chance of taking your $100 on Friday.
 
Sounds like it shold be a good match. Its like someone said only in the movie and maybe that dude just saw a pool movie and was feeling it lol.

But if he happens to be holding back and is a monter its only going to cost you 20 dollers a set. Just one of the life lessons in pool i guess But none the less good luck and post how you make out.
 
It's only 20 bucks probably doesnt help or hurt you in any way. At least now he won't be asking for weight. It's TBD whether or not it was a good move yet though. What if he comes back and says hey man my funds are short let's play for $40, then it would be not so good. If he comes back with say 200 or 300 bucks then it's a good move. Usually though if you wanna get someone on the hook you make them chase their money or break even.
 
The Dark Side...

n33njah said:
So i'm in my local room tonight practicing a couple of banking drills and the dreaded "circle" drill that we all love to hate. Anyway this local guy comes in, that most of the people in our room dont know but he's been around a time or two.

He instantly walks up to the strongest stick in the house, and proceeds to get destroyed in a race for time. turns to the rest of us railbirding the massacre that occured and he's like "anyone else got balls enough to step up and play for a couple of bucks a game?" and i immediately stood up and gave him the famous huckleberry quote.

I get involved and start actually watching this kid stroke and work around a table and realize that 100% he's sandbagging and trying to get me overconfident, so i immediately turned it down a notch and give him a few rough "luck safe" cuts that he can enjoy. Anyway we play for about 30 minutes at 2 a game and I end up like 4 ahead, he hands me a 5 and i get him a cold drink to even out. He then asks to play a race to 5 for 20, clearly stating that "all i have is 20, so winner will pay time and we'll play again this weekend." Okay did I play this move right??

I played him rough and close the entire set, but when it got down to it hill hill I dogged the 9 intentionally. Of course he immediately is happy and fires it in clean. He's coming back friday night with at least a 100 to play against me. Was dogging down to this guy the best way to play it out? Knowing full well that i have a chance friday night to turn 5 to 1 on my money??
Just wondering if this was the "correct move".
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Choose your path wisely my ninja brotha. IMO there is no positive to "layin' down". Do you wanna be a player or a short sighted hustler wanna be?

Respect is forever and won't be forgotten, but once it's lost it takes a LONG time to reinstate it. Think about it before you go makin' moves like this one.
 
So the upside to dumping $20 here is, hopefully if he comes back to play you....you might win $100 ?


Id rather just win the $20 and see if i ever see him again.
 
My honest opinion

My honest opinion is you did dog the 9 and it wasn't an accident and now you are looking for an excuse for your miss. If you would have made the 9 hill/hill the guy would have been sick and wanted to play even more.

No offense but when you dog it on the hill don't look for an excuse. Figure out why it happened and learn from it. If the man quit you for life after losing hill/hill then he isn't action anyway and you lost nothing.

I promise you if the guy is a go-off artist winning the twenty on the hill would have been a much better strategy. Good Luck, and as Sam said choose your path wisely.
 
Did you play it right?
I guess it depends on how well he scouted you and who was dogging who.
It will only cost you a hundo to find out, unless you are really hooked that he just barely beat you on a luck shot here or there.

PS

Make sure he has more than AIR. POST!
 
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n33njah said:
So i'm in my local room tonight practicing a couple of banking drills and the dreaded "circle" drill that we all love to hate. Anyway this local guy comes in, that most of the people in our room dont know but he's been around a time or two.

He instantly walks up to the strongest stick in the house, and proceeds to get destroyed in a race for time. turns to the rest of us railbirding the massacre that occured and he's like "anyone else got balls enough to step up and play for a couple of bucks a game?" and i immediately stood up and gave him the famous huckleberry quote.

I get involved and start actually watching this kid stroke and work around a table and realize that 100% he's sandbagging and trying to get me overconfident, so i immediately turned it down a notch and give him a few rough "luck safe" cuts that he can enjoy. Anyway we play for about 30 minutes at 2 a game and I end up like 4 ahead, he hands me a 5 and i get him a cold drink to even out. He then asks to play a race to 5 for 20, clearly stating that "all i have is 20, so winner will pay time and we'll play again this weekend." Okay did I play this move right??

I played him rough and close the entire set, but when it got down to it hill hill I dogged the 9 intentionally. Of course he immediately is happy and fires it in clean. He's coming back friday night with at least a 100 to play against me. Was dogging down to this guy the best way to play it out? Knowing full well that i have a chance friday night to turn 5 to 1 on my money??
Just wondering if this was the "correct move".
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$20 and winner pays time? If time was $15, all you sacrificed was $5. Sacrificing $5 is always worth it if it's going to get you into a really good game. But you better be confident that you judged his speed correctly.

-Andrew
 
Jeff G. Martin said:
Why not just beat him and take his $20? If you were both on the hill, he already knows he can keep up with you so I'm sure he would have come back anyways. That's a $40 swing you took right there. Now if you win the $100, you're up $60 on him. At the end of the day, you're only getting 3-1 on your money. And moreover, if you were both on the hill, he has a good chance of taking your $100 on Friday.
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But he was laying down on this guy. He described it as dogging down LOLz.
 
If you were hill-hill and it was just $20, and he wanted to play for $100 this weekend, methinks you should have just made the 9......the future isn't promised, he might lose his job tomorrow and not be there....depending on the table time, it might not matter anyway, but I don't see the value here.....while I am not a fan of dumping, if you really wanted to dump, you should have lost like 5-2, leaving yourself tough position on the 7 and 8 each rack.....tell him that you feel you gave away a few games and it was much closer than it looked....at 5-2, he feels he's got the best of it and much more likely to show....
 
I wonder what this post would be like if the poster was the one who just found out a playing mate had layed down on him to sucker him out of money?

You are wondering if what you did was the "correct move"? Maybe some people think so, or think its ok to try and basically swindle people out of their money, but I personally don't. What ever happened to people trying to make a fair game or play someone better than them to improve their own skills?

When I was up and coming, I got better by playing and gambling with players better than I. I hate to lose and it made me learn how to win. I don't even like to play people for money who can't at least play to a certain level. I find no challenge in that. Its fun once in a while to win easy money, but the game is more stumbled upon, not carefully planned out and executed.

I think the extra money you make this way lowers your value as a person and how people look at you. This is not saying you have to be a sucker and lose to everyone better than you, but don't hustle. It can get you in a world of hurt if its done to the wrong party.

On another note, I feel there is nothing wrong with toning down a loudmouth, arrogant person by beating them a little and possibly teaching them a lesson. (although these people usually don't learn anything from anyone)

In any case, you have to live with yourself, not me. So it really comes down to how you feel about something rather than those around you. You will suffer the consequences of your own actions. good or bad.
 
Big Perm said:
If you were hill-hill and it was just $20, and he wanted to play for $100 this weekend, methinks you should have just made the 9......the future isn't promised, he might lose his job tomorrow and not be there....
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This was my first thoughts on the subject. And he don't even have to lose his job, he just may pocket the $20 and not show up anyway.

Maniac
 
I'm with Sam on this one:
Do you wanna be a player or a short sighted hustler wanna be?

Respect is forever and won't be forgotten, but once it's lost it takes a LONG time to reinstate it. Think about it before you go makin' moves like this one.
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This comes to mind also...if you think you have a winner on the hook,bring a hundred or two....its quite possibe you are the fish.Esp when you consider your own statement:
He instantly walks up to the strongest stick in the house, and proceeds to get destroyed in a race for time. turns to the rest of us railbirding the massacre that occured and he's like "anyone else got balls enough to step up and play for a couple of bucks a game?"
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I also wonder how a hill hill nine ball makes the matter overall? You dump it,he plays it.OK.
You play it,win some cash,are good action and there is plenty of room to talk a little trash woofing up the next set,even it is days away....much more upside here imho.
 
I have the same situation except this fella knows he has no chance to win.... He asks to play and wants to play for 20 a game so i thought to myself...hmmm should i take this guys money or not??
I came to this conclusion...he asked me and if i dont take it somebody else will...
 
Nothing wrong with spreading a lil corn on the food plot !

n33njah said:
So i'm in my local room tonight practicing a couple of banking drills and the dreaded "circle" drill that we all love to hate. Anyway this local guy comes in, that most of the people in our room dont know but he's been around a time or two.

He instantly walks up to the strongest stick in the house, and proceeds to get destroyed in a race for time. turns to the rest of us railbirding the massacre that occured and he's like "anyone else got balls enough to step up and play for a couple of bucks a game?" and i immediately stood up and gave him the famous huckleberry quote.

I get involved and start actually watching this kid stroke and work around a table and realize that 100% he's sandbagging and trying to get me overconfident, so i immediately turned it down a notch and give him a few rough "luck safe" cuts that he can enjoy. Anyway we play for about 30 minutes at 2 a game and I end up like 4 ahead, he hands me a 5 and i get him a cold drink to even out. He then asks to play a race to 5 for 20, clearly stating that "all i have is 20, so winner will pay time and we'll play again this weekend." Okay did I play this move right??

I played him rough and close the entire set, but when it got down to it hill hill I dogged the 9 intentionally. Of course he immediately is happy and fires it in clean. He's coming back friday night with at least a 100 to play against me. Was dogging down to this guy the best way to play it out? Knowing full well that i have a chance friday night to turn 5 to 1 on my money??
Just wondering if this was the "correct move".
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I have killed way more deer on baited food plots than just sitting in a stand...the same with pool...just so you know when you are the hunter & not the hunted !
 
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