How do I get out of this?
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Second to that question. It's a quite often situation.
I'm assuming the 9 ball is frozen on the head rail.
You could aim for a half-ball hit on the "top" edge of the 9 ball and try to leave the cue ball and 9 ball between the 2nd and 3rd diamonds on opposite long rails.
Or you could try to thin the "bottom" edge of the 9 ball and leave the cue ball up by the first diamond on the foot rail while leaving the 9 ball maybe a half diamond off the foot rail between the 2nd and 3rd diamonds.
It's easier to hit option 1 but you're selling out a bank at worst or an easy safe by your opponent back to the starting position at best.
Being that I stink at this game, I'd try option 1 and then leave him straight in the side
Taek
You could aim for a half-ball hit on the "top" edge of the 9 ball and try to leave the cue ball and 9 ball between the 2nd and 3rd diamonds on opposite long rails.
Or you could try to thin the "bottom" edge of the 9 ball and leave the cue ball up by the first diamond on the foot rail while leaving the 9 ball maybe a half diamond off the foot rail between the 2nd and 3rd diamonds.
It's easier to hit option 1 but you're selling out a bank at worst or an easy safe by your opponent back to the starting position at best.
Being that I stink at this game, I'd try option 1 and then leave him straight in the side
Taek
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You are in an obvious deficit position. All you can do in this @ 80% lose position is try to shift that 80 to maybe 60% IMO.
I'd hit @ half ball hit on the 9 ball slowly and try and get the CB on the opposite rail from the 9, both stopping halfway between the corner and side pockets, and force him into a tough bank to the side or corner, or to play a safe.
I'd hit @ half ball hit on the 9 ball slowly and try and get the CB on the opposite rail from the 9, both stopping halfway between the corner and side pockets, and force him into a tough bank to the side or corner, or to play a safe.
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I try a half ball hit, only hard enough to send cue and 9 ball to the long rails. If its a table that you weren't comfortable banking that shot, your opponent might not be favored on the shorter bank. Make them take the hero shot, not you.
Not a bad move. But you need to practice it. Also there is a chance to do this and double kiss it in to a corner pocket. Very low percentage of this happening but that's a real bad spot to be in.
well . . .
The six rail kick is dead on!
Hu
The six rail kick is dead on!
Hu
I'm in the full ball hit safety camp.
I would bank it long rail before I'd dare the cut prop shot.
I would bank it long rail before I'd dare the cut prop shot.
i set the balls up just like in the diagram on my home table just now.
i know the shots i am about to tell you are a sellout more often then not , if i dont have an obvious way to play safe i just go for it. thats why i am just a banger.
i banked it back up in the corner pocket 2 out of 5 times.
i also kicked off the side rail right at the 1st tip of the side pocket. missed the ball by an inch 1st attempt. after that i was able to dial in where to hit the rail. left the ball hanging in the bottom corner twice and made it twice.
like i say i am one to just go for broke because i dont gamble anymore and if someone beats me because i missed that shot in league its no big deal. but when i make it they think i am another efren or a sandbagger .:grin:
i know the shots i am about to tell you are a sellout more often then not , if i dont have an obvious way to play safe i just go for it. thats why i am just a banger.
i banked it back up in the corner pocket 2 out of 5 times.
i also kicked off the side rail right at the 1st tip of the side pocket. missed the ball by an inch 1st attempt. after that i was able to dial in where to hit the rail. left the ball hanging in the bottom corner twice and made it twice.
like i say i am one to just go for broke because i dont gamble anymore and if someone beats me because i missed that shot in league its no big deal. but when i make it they think i am another efren or a sandbagger .:grin:
Shoot the scotch shot.. The safes are as hard as the make to not sell out. Go out like a lion instead of a lamb... No one likes to lose on a bad safe... If you go down at least you went down trying to win....
Chris
Chris
you and i must think alike.:thumbup:
Rock and a hard place!!
Use left/high left and cut the nine towards the right hand pocket ,as you are looking at it, very thinly. Play the cue ball back up two rails to the corner pocket.
Use left/high left and cut the nine towards the right hand pocket ,as you are looking at it, very thinly. Play the cue ball back up two rails to the corner pocket.
mr8ball
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The cue ball pushes the 9 back to the rail. Depending on the speed the cue ball might make it back to the top rail. I use this shot often in snooker.
I would cut it in the corner with phenomenal spin that I can now impart with my new Outsville hybrid M.
Here's a recent and relevant story that demonstrates how a top pro would approach the shot.
Cliff Joyner, obviously an amazing banks player, played this exact safe on Jose Parica at the Big Tyme Classic last weekend. It was hill-hill, and the safe was on the final 9 ball.
Here's a photo of the situation that led up to this. Jose was running out, but misplayed shape on the 9. This picture shows how he felt about the predicament:
After this photo, he tried the long bank, but missed, leaving Cliff in an awkward position, with the CB near the center of the foot rail, and the 9 about 4" off the first diamond of the long rail. That's when Cliff played the safe on Jose.
I was a little surprised to see Cliff play the safe, but he executed it perfectly. Jose again went for the long bank, but missed, and the CB scratched in the side.
Cliff went on to get 4th place.
Cliff Joyner, obviously an amazing banks player, played this exact safe on Jose Parica at the Big Tyme Classic last weekend. It was hill-hill, and the safe was on the final 9 ball.
Here's a photo of the situation that led up to this. Jose was running out, but misplayed shape on the 9. This picture shows how he felt about the predicament:
After this photo, he tried the long bank, but missed, leaving Cliff in an awkward position, with the CB near the center of the foot rail, and the 9 about 4" off the first diamond of the long rail. That's when Cliff played the safe on Jose.
I was a little surprised to see Cliff play the safe, but he executed it perfectly. Jose again went for the long bank, but missed, and the CB scratched in the side.
Cliff went on to get 4th place.
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mr8ball
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You really have to hit it dead center to get the double kiss back up the table but I have seen a lot of player use it with a lot of success. It is something that takes a lot of practice. It really surprised me Jose did try it here. Nothing else you could have hit a little off center and moved the 9 more to the center of the table. People would really be how effective that show can be
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anyone that will shoot a frozen CB 9 feet away to bank a frozen 9 ball? I'm emptying out. Seriously?
The full ball double kiss shot? That interests me. I'd assume you have to hit it so softly, that applying top spin means nothing, you're contacting the 9 ball with natural roll. If only I could see 9 feet away with the accuracy required, lol. One iota off, a slight table roll-off, and the 9 is likely wired in one corner or the other.
Or, allow me to ask - do you hit this double kiss shot with enough speed to take a decent table's possible roll-off away?
The full ball double kiss shot? That interests me. I'd assume you have to hit it so softly, that applying top spin means nothing, you're contacting the 9 ball with natural roll. If only I could see 9 feet away with the accuracy required, lol. One iota off, a slight table roll-off, and the 9 is likely wired in one corner or the other.
Or, allow me to ask - do you hit this double kiss shot with enough speed to take a decent table's possible roll-off away?