how do you guys feel about hustles and hustlers?

Old Nine Baller said:
Absolutely correct and the reason I wrote it:). Most people don't know that.

I haven't carried money in my wallet for 40 years (at least). Anyone who paid me out of their wallet was an automatic nit and a "lose two games and quit" type creep.

ONB
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trustyrusty said:
???? wth? where should I carry my money; in my sock? And since when is a lose 2 games and quit guy a creep?Since time immemorial. I'd say the walletless guy would be less likely to pay you regardless of how many games he lost, and that's what I consider a CREEP - non-payer guy!!
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You should carry your money anywhere you want. Why would I care? But, if you don't carry it in your pocket you are not a gambler. That is the point here.

P.S. NOBODY said "walletless" guys.

P.Ps. Nonpaying guys are definitely creeps, always.

ONB
 
sonny_burnett said:
First life lesson I remember was: NEVER bet a man at his own game.

Second lesson: 2 kinds of people in this world. Hustler's and pigeons. You choose.
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There is a third kind of person.
I play pool for fun....not money. Unless paying an entry fee for a tournament is considered gambling.
 
y'all have some weird requirements to be considered a "gambler"....I don't care if he quits after losing 2 sets, or games, and I sure don't care if he digs the money outta his wallet, his pocket, a cute little satchel, the ATM, or his woman's bra - as long as I get paid.
 
Old Nine Baller said:
I've gambled with many top players. Some were nits and some weren't. Robbing children was not my long suit. Apparently you know more about that topic than I do.

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How the hell did me hustling children come out of what I wrote. Johnnyt
 
stuck the change from a hundred in my pocket

For years the first thing I did when I went in a place was get a tray of balls and a beer. I always bought that first beer with a hundred dollar bill and put the change in my t-shirt pocket. Sometimes a nice counterman or lady serving me warned me it was a rough place and that was a bad idea! :grin:

When you dangle the bait you never know what is going to bite. I played bangers, I played some of the best road men of the time. Kinda like Chris Bartram is today, I didn't worry about it a whole lot. I knew I was gonna win a lot more than I lost. However other than twice when I was very young my hustle was always passive, I dangled the bait, nobody had to bite!

I can't see where what I did was any worse if as bad as negotiating a set where you know damned good and well you have a ball or two the best of it. One of the best road men was famous for getting two balls when he should have been giving two!!

People never change. Gambling wouldn't be a many billion dollar industry in the US if people weren't always looking for something for nothing. Some are just better at it than others. The best gamblers do the least gambling. Same story in poker or anywhere else gambling is allowed.

Hu
 
I have no idea of the percentages of league and social players vs players that gamble on pool at this time, but I think it might be 80% non-gamble. Back in the 1950's to 1980 just about everyone bet playing pool, both in bars and poolrooms. I also believe W/O the leagues pool would be a lot worse than it is now. Johnnyt
 
I grew up with this game from the age of 5, and in all the years Ive been around the game, Ive seen the true hustlers and con men, Ive seen the thieves and the scum bags. And trust me, its not an image that helps the game. Its what keeps the game down. The general public doesnt want to get screwed out of their money, just like they dont want to be robbed at gunpoint. The image of the hustlers and road players is appealing to some, and at a certain point in my life I thought it was cool too. But as I got older and wondered why this game we love isnt in the spotlight, the answer became clearer and clearer to me. Pool in the media is forever portrayed as a lowlife pastime filled with guys looking to rob honest people of their hard earned money. Add to that the drugs, booze and violence that carries over from the big screen to the local newspapers almost every time a pool hall is seen or talked about and the public opinion is pretty easy to figure out. It IMHO will not change unless and until the game is seen in the light of high level competition to the general public. How to do that is a different discussion though..... :thumbup:
Chuck
 
This is just the kind of character that drives paying customers away from poolrooms. They have to "call each other out" from across the room and use vulgar language doing it. Baggy shorts and pocket full of money from selling dope, hat on sideways like a gangster thug.
Now, go ahead and keep wondering why pool and poolrooms have a bad image. Every time you drive away a paying father and his teenage son, it's another nail in the coffin called poolroom.
 
it seems to me a few romantics wants to cling onto an imaginary world of the past

these days everybody have cell phones, internet, facebook, etc. if someone of real skill and hustling intentions comes to the city, all it takes is a snap photo and a post on facebook or other social media "who is this guy?", that is if someone from the closest big city hasn't already warned you and the word is already around. and since these technological improvements of our lives have existed for many years now, very few people try that stuff anymore.

playing for money is still fun though
 
The color of money was a great movie, but, sure hurt the weekend fund as everyone stayed away from people who could make three balls in a row. Now days, my weekend fund goes to another source called "Grandchildren" Hopefully one of them grabs a cue so I can stake horse them ???
 
There's a difference betweem hustling and gambling, and I think many folks get them confused.

Gone are the days, I guess, when two road warriors matched up, with no questions asked. They just stepped up to the plate and played the stranger in town. The stranger in town, often called "road agent" was hoping to play an easy mark, of course, but make no mistake about it, it often backfired. The house pro would show up after being called in to play the stranger in town. Meanwhile the stranger in town sometimes shot with a metal house cue, all part of the hustle, and the house pro shot with his own custom-made cue and played on a table he knew inside and out. :p

Maybe I have been lucky to get to know a few action players who had a certain charm or charisma about them. The best part of the match-up was the barkfest, and everybody enjoys a good barkfest, two players trying to get the money and the game right, so they could begin the battle. Go to the Derby City Classic, at least the ones I used to attend, and see how much people enjoy a good action match. :cool:

There are those who lay down the lemon or look for somebody to drop their wallet when matching up, hoping to get a lock. This is called "stealing," not gambling. :embarrassed2:

Years ago, I ran with a road agent named Geese. He busted a man in Rome, Georgia, at a bar. When we arrived, we asked the bartender if anybody wanted to play some 9-ball. Back then, this was perfectly acceptable because action, especially down South, was rampant. The bartender called the local best player. I watched the match unfold, and within a short time, Geese busted him. When we left, I saw the local best player sitting on a curb crying his eyes out. He lost his rent money and didn't want to go home. I felt horrible. Geese, on the other hand, said to me, "Hey, if he didn't lose it to me, he would have lost it to somebody else. And he definitely would have taken my dough if I lost. You're a sucker." :frown:

Call me a sucker, but I don't like gambling with addicts who lose what they cannot afford to lose.

Anyway, I provide the above-referenced as food for thought to this thread topic. :smile:
 
If you were a road player back in the day...you were a hustler. Top pros that stayed in thier homeroom and took on ALL comers were gamblers. A road player never went after a player as good or better than him. The road player had to have an edge to cover the nut of the road. Johnnyt
 
JAM said:
There's a difference betweem hustling and gambling, and I think many folks get them confused.

Gone are the days, I guess, when two road warriors matched up, with no questions asked. They just stepped up to the plate and played the stranger in town. The stranger in town, often called "road agent" was hoping to play an easy mark, of course, but make no mistake about it, it often backfired. The house pro would show up after being called in to play the stranger in town. Meanwhile the stranger in town sometimes shot with a metal house cue, all part of the hustle, and the house pro shot with his own custom-made cue and played on a table he knew inside and out. :p

Maybe I have been lucky to get to know a few action players who had a certain charm or charisma about them. The best part of the match-up was the barkfest, and everybody enjoys a good barkfest, two players trying to get the money and the game right, so they could begin the battle. Go to the Derby City Classic, at least the ones I used to attend, and see how much people enjoy a good action match. :cool:

There are those who lay down the lemon or look for somebody to drop their wallet when matching up, hoping to get a lock. This is called "stealing," not gambling. :embarrassed2:

Years ago, I ran with a road agent named Geese. He busted a man in Rome, Georgia, at a bar. When we arrived, we asked the bartender if anybody wanted to play some 9-ball. Back then, this was perfectly acceptable because action, especially down South, was rampant. The bartender called the local best player. I watched the match unfold, and within a short time, Geese busted him. When we left, I saw the local best player sitting on a curb crying his eyes out. He lost his rent money and didn't want to go home. I felt horrible. Geese, on the other hand, said to me, "Hey, if he didn't lose it to me, he would have lost it to somebody else. And he definitely would have taken my dough if I lost. You're a sucker." :frown:

Call me a sucker, but I don't like gambling with addicts who lose what they cannot afford to lose.

Anyway, I provide the above-referenced as food for thought to this thread topic. :smile:
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you are 100% right here is a good DCC woofing match Jam people love this stuff

http://vimeo.com/29688870
 
Yes!

Johnnyt said:
I have no idea of the percentages of league and social players vs players that gamble on pool at this time, but I think it might be 80% non-gamble. Back in the 1950's to 1980 just about everyone bet playing pool, both in bars and poolrooms. I also believe W/O the leagues pool would be a lot worse than it is now. Johnnyt
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I agree with your assessment.

Gambling at pool dropped off as the population of poor began to increase dramatically in the US in the 1980s.
 
Fella told me long ago, if you just beat someone they are not upset at you, they are mad because they didn't shoot good enough. But if you make a fool of a person they are mad at you,then no telling what they will do. They will play all night trying to beat you if you tell them they can't win.---Smitty
 
poolguy4u said:
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I believe----if someone is wealthy and can afford to lose money, then
you can hustle him and no one should feel bad. He can afford to
lose and it's entertaining for him.

If someone is broke, has kids, no job and on welfare, I would never take
money from this person. I would rather give money instead.

I don't agree with taking money from people who can't afford to lose.
This is one of the reasons I don't play for money anymore.

I'm too sensitive...........:sorry:
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Reminds me of the joke,
"If you found a wallet with $10,000 in it would you return it"?
"Well, it is belonged to a poor person I would".
 
if you ever fell for a hustle you're a fu----ing moron, maybe it's my NYC cynicism but that shit doesn't work anymore, some can hide their speed but if a man's willing to "gamble" for a good amount of money he's either a degenerate, which you can always tell, or he's a player hiding his speed, which you don't play with unless you set a game with proper weight, and always give yourself a chance to win. the titanic thompson hustle's are from an era gone by long ago, way before people smartned up with stories, TV and then internet.
 
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