You are playing a better player a race to 9. He is giving you the 6 ball, winner breaks. You are both on the hill. He breaks - comes up dry. What is your next shot here?
How Do You Play This Table? With Spot
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My first thought was if the player is good enough to give the 6 ball, he will surely run out this layout if he gets a good starter shot. So I would call push and bank the 7 so it ties up the 8.
The only problem I see is that he can probably get a good angle on the 3 to break up the cluster I just created and still have position for the 4.
Calling push and moving the 8 towards the 7 will be harder to break out later in the game by the better player, but will also be harder to execute now in the push shot.
The only problem I see is that he can probably get a good angle on the 3 to break up the cluster I just created and still have position for the 4.
Calling push and moving the 8 towards the 7 will be harder to break out later in the game by the better player, but will also be harder to execute now in the push shot.
I'd probably try one of these two shots.
The first is with high-right to shorten the angle and kill the speed of the cueball, with emphasis on getting the 1-ball to stay near the foot rail, and the second is with a heavy dosage of low-left, trying to come out of that corner very sharp. On the second shot, I would be more concerned the speed than the precise angle, as hitting the 3 or 5 with the cueball may still turn out ok. It's definitely not any fun from there; I don't know if I'd put myself above even money to actually get a hook out of either shot.
Good rolls,
Aaron
p.s. I like Blackjack's shot too, although I would be a little bit concerned about scratching off of that 4-ball. His shot would be easier to judge than either of mine, though, since you wouldn't have to load up with spin. His shot is probably the best percentage play, actually.
The first is with high-right to shorten the angle and kill the speed of the cueball, with emphasis on getting the 1-ball to stay near the foot rail, and the second is with a heavy dosage of low-left, trying to come out of that corner very sharp. On the second shot, I would be more concerned the speed than the precise angle, as hitting the 3 or 5 with the cueball may still turn out ok. It's definitely not any fun from there; I don't know if I'd put myself above even money to actually get a hook out of either shot.
Good rolls,
Aaron
p.s. I like Blackjack's shot too, although I would be a little bit concerned about scratching off of that 4-ball. His shot would be easier to judge than either of mine, though, since you wouldn't have to load up with spin. His shot is probably the best percentage play, actually.
steev said:
You did notice the 2 ball near the side, didn't you? If he ends up making the 1 ball on either this, or a subsequent turn, he'll have no problem breaking the 3/5 back out.
Russ
i like blackjack's suggestion. whoever suggested tying up the 7/8 i think that's a bad idea. when you're getting a spot like that i think you should tie up his money balls not yours. on the off chance you get to it first you don't want to have to break it out. but if he gets to it first weather he makes it or not he still has to break his money ball out
poolplayer2093 said:
Your money ball is the 6... Not the 7 or 8.
Russ
I suggested tying up the 7 and 8, because the 6 is the money ball. This is a standard gambling move when you are getting the 7 or better. You tie up the balls AFTER your money ball. This way the spotted can win the game if he starts a run, but the spotter can not without breaking out clusters.
I believe you are saying the same thing, you just thought the 7 was the money ball when it is the 6 from the first post.
I believe you are saying the same thing, you just thought the 7 was the money ball when it is the 6 from the first post.
Neil said:
you're right man i misread that part
My first thought was the same as BlackJack... Thin the one and try and get behind the 3-5...
However...If you are consistently good enough to (see) and pull off shots like that, I doubt you are getting the 6 for very long...
More than likely if you are getting the 6 you would (or should if you are trying to keep a fish on the line) bank the 1 over somewhere behind the 9 and let the CB go over toward the 2...
I like the idea of tying up the balls above the money ball, however in this particular layout I don't see it working very well.... You are really still in pretty much the exact same position as you were before...but now your at the disadvantage of allowing him the option of shooting or passing back.
If you give up a shot, the 7-8 even if tied up is a farily routine breakout for a skilled player...(2 in the side and positon the CB for a shot on the 3 to roll into the 7-8.....the shape on the 4 is pretty much automatic)
Now....IF you can tie up the 7-8, get your opponent to pass back to you, and then execute the safetey behind the 3-5....You probably won't get the 6 starting in the next game....
However...If you are consistently good enough to (see) and pull off shots like that, I doubt you are getting the 6 for very long...
More than likely if you are getting the 6 you would (or should if you are trying to keep a fish on the line) bank the 1 over somewhere behind the 9 and let the CB go over toward the 2...
I like the idea of tying up the balls above the money ball, however in this particular layout I don't see it working very well.... You are really still in pretty much the exact same position as you were before...but now your at the disadvantage of allowing him the option of shooting or passing back.
If you give up a shot, the 7-8 even if tied up is a farily routine breakout for a skilled player...(2 in the side and positon the CB for a shot on the 3 to roll into the 7-8.....the shape on the 4 is pretty much automatic)
Now....IF you can tie up the 7-8, get your opponent to pass back to you, and then execute the safetey behind the 3-5....You probably won't get the 6 starting in the next game....
Blackjack said:
David, this was the way I had envisioned the shot when I first saw the layout of the table. You have a wide area to be able to hook your opponent behind the cluster of balls down table. You also are likely to have the 6 blocking the hole for a str8 shot on the 1 if you fail to snooker your opponent.....
However, if I am ABLE to PUSHOUT(depending on the rules you are playing), then I definitely agree with Rude, tie up the 7 and 8 by pushing out. That makes you a stronger favorite now because he has to break out the 7and 8 in order to run out. All you need is a shot and all of the balls leading to your $$ is WIDE OPEN.
These are definitely the highest percentage shots. IMHO
BRKNRUN said:My first thought was the same as BlackJack... Thin the one and try and get behind the 3-5...
However...If you are consistently good enough to (see) and pull off shots like that, I doubt you are getting the 6 for very long...
BlackJack always has some great thoughts in the safety game of 9 ball. However in this case, as you point out, the player is getting the 6. Not that he is unable to think of this type of shot, but, executing it is another thing.
iusedtoberich said:
As you originally pointed out and Jude later confirmed with his post, tying up the 7,8 would be a good idea. If the better player choses to play the push, he still has to contend with the breakout of the 7,8 ( provided the lesser player gets the cluster
).If the lesser player gets to take the push, he can then try BlackJack's or Aaron_S's safety plays while knowing that he has a slight backup with the cluster.
Tying up the 3,5 is like Russ states; probably an easy breakout off the 2. Also, if your the lesser player, you don't want to make it harder to run down to your money ball if you do get a shot. You want to make it more difficult after your money ball.
Tying up balls past your money ball is not a guarantee that you will get back to the table, but, I think it puts a little more pressure on your opponent and possibly gives you another shot at the table.
Thanks to all for contributing
The safes here are not easy to pull off. The straight back bank might be a double kiss and Blackjack's shot needs just the right speed to avoid the window.
I don't think this would be a bad move. It leaves him with either a risky shot or a risky safe, both possible sell outs. I like to leave long tempting combinations.
I don't think this would be a bad move. It leaves him with either a risky shot or a risky safe, both possible sell outs. I like to leave long tempting combinations.
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Your opponent will cross the 1 ball towards the 5, sending the CB towards the 6. There are a million ways to get horribly hooked after placing the 1 ball there.. JMHO.
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Derek says FLOG it !!!!
Derek, you forgot the right english on whitey to ride the 6 as well
I like Judes strategy the best. Tie up the 7&8 and hope spot "Dogs" it.
Derek, you forgot the right english on whitey to ride the 6 as well
I like Judes strategy the best. Tie up the 7&8 and hope spot "Dogs" it.
