How Do You Run Out Here? (1)

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Playing nine ball, opponent breaks, making the one ball but scratching. The five is frozen to the six and the five-six combo is dead. The four-eight combo is unmakable, but the four ball can be banked into the side once the three has been pocketed if desired.

Explain how you would run out here with ball in hand.

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I tried to cuetable this one.... but Im not having a good day. I wouldnt bank the 4.... from the 2 to the 3 be on the left hand side of the 3 near the rail and draw/stun into the 4-8 cluster. If you hit the correct side of the 4 with the right speed... everything else is paint by numbers.
Thats IF I was going to attempt the runout.
Chuck
 
I like this, play the 2 into the 6-5 cluster hard enough for the 5 to carom and open up the 4-8 cluster. You get two bites at the runout with this method, as you should be guaranteed on the 3 no matter how hard you pocket the 2.. :D Cosmo after that :D

I like this more than the bank on the 4.

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14.1player said:
I like this, play the 2 into the 6-5 cluster hard enough for the 5 to carom and open up the 4-8 cluster. You get two bites at the runout with this method, as you should be guaranteed on the 3 no matter how hard you pocket the 2.. :D Cosmo after that :D

I like this more than the bank on the 4.

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...yep....
 
With ball in hand place the cue ball so as to draw it into the 4 and 8. If you hit them the 3 is hanging to make the run easy. The only problem is either missing the 4 and 8 or getting hooked off the break out.
 
gulyassy said:
With ball in hand place the cue ball so as to draw it into the 4 and 8. If you hit them the 3 is hanging to make the run easy. The only problem is either missing the 4 and 8 or getting hooked off the break out.
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+1

lex parsimoniae
 
gulyassy said:
With ball in hand place the cue ball so as to draw it into the 4 and 8. If you hit them the 3 is hanging to make the run easy. The only problem is either missing the 4 and 8 or getting hooked off the break out.
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Which is why I would do as 14.1 said. You've actually got a fair chance of getting hooked your way, and with my luck, I would be!
 
Why not just leave the 5-6 combo alone, since it's dead? Break up the 4-8 by coming up table by cutting the 2 into the corner with a good angle. All you have to do is tap the 4-8 just about anywhere, and you have the 3 hanging.

If you use the cue into the 5-6, with the 5 going into the 4-8, you really don't know what you'll wind up with. JMO

Jim
 
Since 3 is a hanger no matter where you end up on the table, the key here is to open up the 4-8 cluster when you have ball in hand on 2.

Going one rail fom the 2 to open them up is in my opinion not the correct shot, since that is an unnatural path and you have to force the white ball somewhat to get there.

I would play 2 ball in the corner - the white in two rails, short rail between the 9 and 7, then long rail, and I could even hit a third rail, the other long rail - opening up the cluster with position for 3. This is the natural part for the white ball, and very little risk of things going wrong.
 
I can never tell looking at these cue tables, but looks like the 4 can be made in the lower right corner off the 8.

Steve
 
gulyassy said:
With ball in hand place the cue ball so as to draw it into the 4 and 8. If you hit them the 3 is hanging to make the run easy. The only problem is either missing the 4 and 8 or getting hooked off the break out.
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That was my first thought.

You may also be able to make the two and then break out the 4-8 while making the 3 in the side.
 
Nice input. Thanks. My choice here was to play it as recommended by 14.1 player. I also like pooladdict's idea here, playing the natural path into the four-eight cluster. For me personally, the direct breakup up the long rail of the four-eight seems uncertain. Still, this is all about preference.
 
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Drew said:
I make this 9 out of 10 times.

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Then it's the right shot for you.

Three inches short and you can hit the point of the side pocket and miss the cluster. Three inches long and you can scratch off the back of the eight into the corner. I need more rrom for error than than.
 
I agree with pooladdict, and since he probably doesn't know how to use cuetable, I'll draw the solution.

If you hit the third rail somewhere from the 10-ball to the end of the blue line you will break up the cluster.

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I'm surprised at some of the responses so far. IMO, going into clusters always carries some element of uncertainty, even luck.

I don't like going into balls unless absolutely necessary, and this bank on the 4 is not too tough if you practice banking a little. If you opt to open the 4/8 cluster, you don't have to get a shot, you could even be hooked. It's easy to get straight in on the bank, and if you make it, which you should, the rest of the out is fairly routine. JMO.
 
Call me the odd man out but I like percentages. I don't go for the run out here. After pocketing the 3 I draw back a few inches and tickle the 4 up against the rail and drift the cue ball above the 8. If I have enough angle to get behind that 8 I'm even happier but I wouldn't make that my first concern. My first concern would be to make sure that 4 doesn't come out past the 8 and leave a shot. I'd rather he kick at it than me trying something and possibly screwing it up.

I like the idea of the 6-5 into the 4-8 from the 2 but going into balls always has a huge chance of screwing up. That 5 could sway out a quarter inch or so, hit that 4 head on, move the 8 out of the way and tie up the 4-5.

I also like going directly into the 4-8 from the 2 but again, you have the possibility of hitting it wrong and totally missing it. You could also hit it thick enough that it moves the 8 out of the way, the 4 drifts out from the rail and the cue ball drifts behind the 4. Not saying it's a huge chance but it is there and more often than not lady luck is going to throw that one to you.

I like the 2 or 3 rail option too but again, big big chance of totally missing it.

For me the highest percentage that I can control is playing safe.
MULLY
 
I like playing into the 6-5 and the 5 breaking up the 4-8 due to the fact its a free shot. I can hit it pretty hard and even if it doesn't work I will have shape on the 3.

If the 5 misses breaking up the 4, the fact that the 3 ball is over the pocket still gives a lot of options with regards to trying to break up the 4-8 again or playing position on the 4....
 
Roy Steffensen said:
I agree with pooladdict, and since he probably doesn't know how to use cuetable, I'll draw the solution.

If you hit the third rail somewhere from the 10-ball to the end of the blue line you will break up the cluster.

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I think this is by far the best option. Too much to wrong drawing the ball.
 
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