How Many Aiming Systems...

I have heard there are certain individuals who have developed or evolved to a much higher state of being that transcends the mundane act of needing to relieve themselves through all bodily functions ever again. Once reaching this state of deity, all normal Earthly functions completely disappear. I never believed it could ever happen but it's been stated numerous times so it must be true.
If it can happen for bodily functions, it must be the case for those touched by the Gods of pool themselves to be elevated into this highest state of deification for no need to aim, use any type of system, or miss a shot ever again.
I BELIEVE!! I BELIEVE!!
(Spidey - One who is not destined to evolve to this glorified state of existence along with most Pro players)
I too am not blessed with that glorified state of existence. (Example coming up, of course you knew that was ahead:smile:)
I am what's known(?) as a clutch hitter. When you need the deal closed, I can do it.
In a local tournament the other night. I had a 2 foot straight into the pocket on the 8-Ball for all the money. You guessed it....I missed the damn thing. And wound up with second place...which I HATE. Haven't missed a shot that easy in years.
It rattled me so bad I could barely fall asleep after getting home.
Maybe I should have just "seen the shot"...............but as you say, I'm not that well blessed.
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I too am not blessed with that glorified state of existence. (Example coming up, of course you knew that was ahead:smile:)
I am what's known(?) as a clutch hitter. When you need the deal closed, I can do it.
In a local tournament the other night. I had a 2 foot straight into the pocket on the 8-Ball for all the money. You guessed it....I missed the damn thing. And wound up with second place...which I HATE. Haven't missed a shot that easy in years.
It rattled me so bad I could barely fall asleep after getting home.
Maybe I should have just "seen the shot"...............but as you say, I'm not that well blessed.
:thumbup:

There's another thing those who are deified and blessed by the Gods of Pool that just don't need to aim and aren't afflicted by. It's a medical term called "Puckering A$$hole Syndrome." Nerves of steel which NEVER fail.
 
I too am not blessed with that glorified state of existence. (Example coming up, of course you knew that was ahead:smile:)
I am what's known(?) as a clutch hitter. When you need the deal closed, I can do it.
In a local tournament the other night. I had a 2 foot straight into the pocket on the 8-Ball for all the money. You guessed it....I missed the damn thing. And wound up with second place...which I HATE. Haven't missed a shot that easy in years.
It rattled me so bad I could barely fall asleep after getting home.
Maybe I should have just "seen the shot"...............but as you say, I'm not that well blessed.
:thumbup:

Playing pool requires concentration. But in our daily lives how much do we need concentration? Not driving a car, not watching TV, Even in golf, the golfer can let his mind wonder between shots and then total concentration on the shot, but not in pool. Even sitting in the chair, it takes concentration. Concentration for 2 or 3 hours? Hard to maintain. My pool teacher does this by numbering the hole 1-3 or 1-5 thick or thin, and the ball he is shooting goes into the part he is looking at. Total concentration to do this on every shot but he does it. Trying to make me do it. I do not believe any aiming system can pick up this part. If you are looking "at the pocket", you are NOT concentrating.
 
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Playing pool requires concentration. But in our daily lives how much do we need concentration? Not driving a car, not watching TV, Even in golf, the golfer can let his mind wonder between shots and then total concentration on the shot, but not in pool. Even sitting in the chair, it takes concentration. Concentration for 2 or 3 hours? Hard to maintain. My pool teacher does this by numbering the hole 1-3 or 1-5 thick or thin, and the ball he is shooting goes into the part he is looking at. Total concentration to do this on every shot but he does it. Trying to make me do it. I do not believe any aiming system can pick up this part.
Did you ever consider that your pool teacher is using an aiming system of his own? Of course you didn't. But you said so yourself.
"He numbers the hole 1-3 or 1-5 thick or thin, and the ball he is shooting goes into the part he is looking at". That is HIS aiming system.
If that's not an aiming system, why go through the routine of "numbering the area of the pocket" at all ? Just pull back, let it rip, and hope for the best.
By the way, the concept of hitting various areas of the pockets to create varying angles for the cueball to take after contact for position play is nothing new at all. And probably was not discovered by your teacher either.
An old time player named Eddie Taylor was doing that long long ago. He advocated taking that further. By raising or lowering the tip on the center axis and using various degrees of power/speed, the cueball will take various angles after contact, thereby avoiding excessive dependence on spin/english.
Any beginner can find that out alone, after a few weeks of fooling around with that center axis...up or down with the tip.
 
Did you ever consider that your pool teacher is using an aiming system of his own? Of course you didn't. But you said so yourself.
"He numbers the hole 1-3 or 1-5 thick or thin, and the ball he is shooting goes into the part he is looking at". That is HIS aiming system.
If that's not an aiming system, why go through the routine of "numbering the area of the pocket" at all ? Just pull back, let it rip, and hope for the best.
By the way, the concept of hitting various areas of the pockets to create varying angles for the cueball to take after contact for position play is nothing new at all. And probably was not discovered by your teacher either.
An old time player named Eddie Taylor was doing that long long ago. He advocated taking that further. By raising or lowering the tip on the center axis and using various degrees of power/speed, the cueball will take various angles after contact, thereby avoiding excessive dependence on spin/english.
Any beginner can find that out alone, after a few weeks of fooling around with that center axis...up or down with the tip.

All true. If you had shot the 8 ball looking at a number 2, 3 or number 4 on the pocket, instead of "the pocket", you might have made it. Concentration! no other ball to have shape on but concentrating on the numbers of the pocket might have done it. The aiming system conversed on here does not do that. My teacher can dispel them all in a few minutes.
 
Ok, so thanks to all who participated.

It seems like everyone knows around a half dozen aiming systems, give tor take, well enough to pass on to someone else. So the next logical questions Is: how many of these systems to you actually use shot-to-shot, day-in-day-out?

Me, I know half a dozen systems and use... none of them -- zippo. I also know a few kicking systems but when I have to go one or three rails I use exactly: zero. (OK, one time I used the Spot on the Wall.) I have books, and videos, and DVDS with huge steaming piles of aiming systems... but I use none. As I've oft said, I just see the shot and shoot the shot.

I use no systems though I have the knowledge and resources to do so if wanted. How 'bout you?

Lou Figueroa



Out of curiosity if someone asked you for advice on aiming, would you just focus exclusively on their fundamentals (stance, stillness, stroke, etc.)? Or is there any wisdom you’d be able to articulate in words about how you arrive to the point that you see the shot or what it looks like from your perspective?


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Out of curiosity if someone asked you for advice on aiming, would you just focus exclusively on their fundamentals (stance, stillness, stroke, etc.)? Or is there any wisdom you’d be able to articulate in words about how you arrive to the point that you see the shot or what it looks like from your perspective?


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Alignment and using their eyes like they do at all times during their normal life off the table would be my personal answer


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. The aiming system conversed on here does not do that. My teacher can dispel them all in a few minutes.

Look i've heard many good things about your instructor and he is indeed top notch.
But if you think for one minute he can dispel Pro One CTE in any length of time you and him are DEAD WRONG.
 
Ok, so thanks to all who participated.

It seems like everyone knows around a half dozen aiming systems, give tor take, well enough to pass on to someone else. So the next logical questions Is: how many of these systems to you actually use shot-to-shot, day-in-day-out?

Me, I know half a dozen systems and use... none of them -- zippo. I also know a few kicking systems but when I have to go one or three rails I use exactly: zero. (OK, one time I used the Spot on the Wall.) I have books, and videos, and DVDS with huge steaming piles of aiming systems... but I use none. As I've oft said, I just see the shot and shoot the shot.

I use no systems though I have the knowledge and resources to do so if wanted. How 'bout you?

Lou Figueroa
PRO - ONE CTE on virtually every shot. No reason not too. When fooling around i throw in some 90/90 and shish ka bob on occasion.
 
All true. If you had shot the 8 ball looking at a number 2, 3 or number 4 on the pocket, instead of "the pocket", you might have made it. Concentration! no other ball to have shape on but concentrating on the numbers of the pocket might have done it. The aiming system conversed on here does not do that. My teacher can dispel them all in a few minutes.



Not even sure what this is supposed to mean?


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Zero for me. I used to look into them but don't anymore. My pool teacher shows me I can hit the size of a piece of chalk when I aim at it. Most of us don't even aim at the different sections of the pocket as he does. Every lesson, he shows me what a difference of the cue ball angle depending on how we hit the pocket thick or thin or in the middle. Too much information for most pool players though as I've found out posting that on AZB. You've got to see it before anyone argues about it.

What do you mean "...hit the size of a piece of chalk.."? You do mean with the object ball, right? If you're talking about the cueball, that's laughably inaccurate! Even if it's an object ball, distance would have to be mentioned as well, both between the cueball and object ball and the object ball and the target as well. I'd venture to say that you'd not make a lot of combinations (other than through luck) with accuracy of that calibre.

I know no one will do this, but here is a test that you can do to see how accurate you really are (modelled on an Efren Reyes shot). Start with the cueball behind the head string and try to clip a ball at the other end of the table, close to the rail as thinly as possible, so that it only moves a couple of inches,while the cueball comes all the way back down. Once that becomes easy, try hitting it even thinner...

If you practise this shot for a while, you'll learn why most people that shill aiming systems, as well as those who critique them are full of bs.
Here are the cliff notes for those that are "too busy" to try:
1. No aiming system will show you exact and repeatable steps on how to do this shot, cold and straight out of your chair. If you are talking about a snooker table or similar and you are diagonal to the nap, it's pretty much all subconscious adjustments.
2. This shot does come up
3. You'll notice that with practise you'll get better and better to the point that your success rate will increase hugely (if you are a competent player). This proves that the stroke is plenty good enough, once you have the alignment dialed in. That is the whole key point to understand. It also proves that aiming is almost secondary on this shot. You'll "feel" it more than you see it. The trick is to get the body in the position where the stroke can do it's job. This also explains why it is so difficult to do it perfectly on the first try. You are more or less "walking" the shots in, like you would shooting an smg from the hip.
4. "With of chalk" is laughable. More like a mm, maybe even less...
5. Neither stroke in itself, nor aiming in itself causes you to fail this shot. It's rather the alignment that is the critical factor, in this as in other pool shots.
 
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What do you mean "...hit the size of a piece of chalk.."? You do mean with the object ball, right? If you're talking about the cueball, that's laughably inaccurate! Even if it's an object ball, distance would have to be mentioned as well, both between the cueball and object ball and the object ball and the target as well. I'd venture to say that you'd not make a lot of combinations (other than through luck) with accuracy of that calibre.

I know no one will do this, but here is a test that you can do to see how accurate you really are (modelled on an Efren Reyes shot). Start with the cueball behind the head string and try to clip a ball at the other end of the table, close to the rail as thinly as possible, so that it only moves a couple of inches,while the cueball comes all the way back down.

If you practise this shot for a while, you'll learn why most people that shill aiming systems, as well as those who critique them are full of bs.
Here are the cliff notes for those that are "too busy" to try:
1. No aiming system will show you exact and repeatable steps on how to do this shot, cold and straight out of your chair.
2. This shot does come up
3. You'll notice that with practise you'll get better and better to the point that your success rate will increase hugely (if you are a competent player). This proves that the stroke is plenty good enough, once you have the alignment dialed in. That is the whole key point to understand. It also proves that aiming is almost secondary on this shot. You'll "feel" it more than you see it. The trick is to get the body in the position where the stroke can do it's job. This also explains why it is so difficult to do it perfectly on the first try. You are more or less "walking" the shots in, like you would shooting an smg from the hip.
4. "With of chalk" is laughable. More like a mm, maybe even less...
5. Neither stroke in itself, nor aiming in itself causes you to fail this shot. It's rather the alignment that is the critical factor, in this as in other pool shots.

You misunderstood my meaning. Using a piece of chalk on it's corner for the object ball (1/16" or so on it's corner). Put that anywhere on the rail and if you can hit it with the object ball, you don't need to learn "an aiming system". If you can do that, Put your practice in getting better shape instead of years learning "how to aim by some system". Told to me by a teacher and I believe him. None of you will ever go see him, and he would not want to argue, so let it be. I can't prove it in writing. I started in this topic by stating; "I don't use an aiming system".
 
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Out of curiosity if someone asked you for advice on aiming, would you just focus exclusively on their fundamentals (stance, stillness, stroke, etc.)? Or is there any wisdom you’d be able to articulate in words about how you arrive to the point that you see the shot or what it looks like from your perspective?
I'd advise:

The most important part of aiming is knowing precisely where your stick is pointed in relation to the OB, preferably a specific spot on the OB. Practice seeing that and the precise point to aim it will become obvious over time.

I try to see where my stick is pointed in relation to the OB contact point (yes, even for sidespin shots) - here's an illustration I've posted before. The pic shows the ghost ball, but I don't visualize that.

pj
chgo
 

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How are aiming and alignment different?

pj
chgo

They are related but different.

I can merely point my cue at the ball I'm about to shoot at like I would point a stick at a word on a blackboard. You can then say I'm aiming at the ball. But since my body is not oriented in the proper position behind the cue, there is no consistent way to deliver it to it's target. Alignment is the process by which your body positionend around the cue, so that the stroke can deliver the cue on the chosen target line.

It is my belief that for many veteran (but bad) players, their strokes are fine but their alignments are inconsistent. The stroke is repeatable, but the body is pointing slightly differently each time, yielding inconsistent results, even if the "pointing" (or aiming) was actually correct and the stroke suffiecently good to theoretically make the ball.
 
Look i've heard many good things about your instructor and he is indeed top notch.
But if you think for one minute he can dispel Pro One CTE in any length of time you and him are DEAD WRONG.

I second that motion.
I have the utmost respect for robin with regards his knowledge and teaching ability
and I am sure if you came to him using cte and were pocketing balls well he would NOT change a thing
robin can take you from someone who has never hit a ball to a pro level player
and teach the basics to a newbie (not cte since he doesn't use it )
and teach the more advanced players the nuances of how to play rotation games
for low500
he had a hard childhood and basically had to support himself from a young age playing pool
ie ,,,,he could get the cheese when he had to...:wink:
 
I have the utmost respect for robin with regards his knowledge and teaching ability
and I am sure if you came to him using cte and were pocketing balls well he would NOT change a thing
robin can take you from someone who has never hit a ball to a pro level player
and teach the basics to a newbie (not cte since he doesn't use it )
and teach the more advanced players the nuances of how to play rotation games
for low500
he had a hard childhood and basically had to support himself from a young age playing pool
ie ,,,,he could get the cheese when he had to...:wink:

Not just "rotation" games. He is a master at 8 ball and 14:1. But, no matter what we say, pool players just do not NEED a teacher, unlike golfers, tennis pros, and just about everyone else (funny to write that).. ha
 
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