How many of you can beat the 9-ball ghost?

Can you beat the 9 ball ghost race to 9? (be honest)

  • Yes, most of the time

    Votes: 38 20.3%
  • Yes, 50% of the time

    Votes: 30 16.0%
  • Occasionally, maybe 20% to 30%

    Votes: 49 26.2%
  • Once in a blue moon

    Votes: 47 25.1%
  • Never

    Votes: 23 12.3%

  • Total voters
    187
I certainly don't think you have to be A+ level or open level player to beat the 9-ball ghost. I also don't think you can relate it to running balls in straight pool. I never play straight pool and I can't play it worth a lick, but I can usually beat the 9-ball ghost.

The table is what really matters. I know we are talking about 9-footers in this thread, but just for comparison. On a bar box I will give the ghost two games in a race to 5. On say a regular gold-crown 9 I will play it even. Then in our hometown pool hall we have a triple shimmed 9 and you would be hard pressed to get me to even play the 7 ball ghost on that thing.

I did once see Hennessee play the 10-ball ghost on a fairly shimmed up 9-footer and he beat it like 10 to 1. Pretty impressive.

10 ball would be a better measure of a players ability. The balls don't break nearly as well which in turn means you have to deal with alot more clusters and trouble areas. 10 ball isn't just like adding an extra ball the difficulty goes up almost exponentially because the balls don't break nearly as well.
 
I have played the ghost alot for well over a decade. Its my favorite game to play when I am by myself. My home table I have usually won against the ghost 9 when I am playing 1x a week. I do go sometimes extended periods of no play and the ghost sticks it to me on those occasions.

Out at pool halls, I can usually win on single shimmed and double shimmed tables, with the double shimmed ones a pretty close game. Triple shimmed tables and I am the underdog to win.
 
I read through this thread some and it seems alot of folks play different rules for the ghost. With these rules:

Break, all balls stay down, BIH after break, combos allowed, foul on break irrelevant.

it is not the most difficult game. At both of the rooms I play at in South Florida (Sharpshooters and Hollywood Billiards) there are people there that can beat the ghost. In Hollywood I can think of at least 7 people, and a few in there that can stick it to the 10 and maybe even the 11 and 12 ball ghost.

This game really depends alot on the table though. I have seen a few gaff tables (super shimmed up diamonds for example) that I would have to bet the vast majority of the players on this board would go empty betting they could beat.
 
uwate said:
I read through this thread some and it seems alot of folks play different rules for the ghost. With these rules:

Break, all balls stay down, BIH after break, combos allowed, foul on break irrelevant.

OK, I tried it 3 times this past week, once on my home bar box and twice at a pool hall on what I would consider normal gold crowns:

Bar box: I won 9-6, 9-7
Gold crown day one: won once 9-5 and lost 7-9
Gold crown day two: won 9-6 and lost 6-9

I think if I played more, like I plan on doing this winter, I will beat the ghost more times than not.

BTW, I've never been a good practice player but so far I've been able to stick with playing the ghost. I'm playing mostly 8 ball on my bar box and winning at that most of the time, short races to 5.

Alex
 
Calling B.S.

Well I'm not the best player on this board by a long shot, but I've been around Pool long enough to know what's what.

I'm flat calling Bull shiat on the results of this poll. I think about 1/2 of it is "open mouth insert keyboard" kind of action (as in peoples perception of their games are way better then it actually is) and the other half is just people perhaps misunderstanding what "beating" the ghost actually is.

I'm going to start with that second part first.. If you play the ghost and you run 3 racks and the ghost wins 9 : 3, that DOES NOT MEAN that you can beat the ghost 33% of the time.. That does'nt mean in 9 sets with the ghost your going to get 3 of them. As well, in that fifth or sixth rack when you missed that easy 8 ball, or rattled the 9 ball you don't get to add that to your score becuase you "should've" made it (which I have a hunch quite a few are doing here online)

To beat the ghost in a race to nine you pretty much have to be at the very worst a low A player, (By San Diego Standards) and even with that be having a pretty good day. The ghost is an unmerciful, unrelenting, whore of an opponent. It will break down just "about" (there's some exceptions to that rule) anybody short of a pro over time if you keep them playing long enough. I've seen many people beat the ghost.. On the flip side I've seen many people run a rack too. It's not that big of a feat to beat it once for an A player. It is that big of a feat to beat it like it owes ya money. To walk up, take the bet and whoop it's ass all day long like 28 of the people on here said they can do.. I'm calling B.S.

So we have 28 players on AZ Billiards that flat beat it like a red headed step child. (Most of the time) I'd be willing to wager we might have maybe 5 guys on this whole website that'd come out on top across 5 sets races to 9 on a "tight but accurate" 9' table.

19 people that beat it 50% of the time.. Again I'd bet that # would be cut atleast in half.

34 people that can beat it 20/30 percent of the time.. OK, again running 3 racks doesn't give you a 30% win / loss ratio.

35 People that can beat it in a blue moon. I'd bet that # is probably pretty correct for the WHOLE BOARD.. And the people that clicked the "most of the time button" should've in reality most likely clicked the 50% of the time.. The 50% of the time should've clicked the blue moon, and the guys that clicked the blue moon should've probbaly clicked the never.

Not saying it can't be done, just saying when somebody tortures the ghost on a regular basis, then their going to be pretty well known as a player.

The ghost is NOT as easy as y'all are making it seem. Yes running a rack in ball in hand is easy.. Hell I've got 10 or 12 videos of my B player ass doing it on an extremely tight table. Running a set to 9 and maintaining a better then 50% run out ratio is the biatch of the bet. I think most are thinking "I can run 9 racks in 17 tries"

That must be why we see so many videos being posted up of people doing it.. Shit awhile back somebody posted a thread "Post your break and run videos" Anyone remember how long it took for even the few videos that showed up in that thread to appear? Yet there's (19+28=47) 47 players on here that have a better then 50% run out ratio in sets to 9 for the money? Doesn't add up. After I get paid (on the 1st) I'd be willing to wager on some of the socal guys.

Tate (not picking on you, but I noticed you live in Burbank) You can torture the ghost at home on your 4 inch pockets. Would you be willing to go down to Hard Times, or HollyWood Billiards and give it a shot for 100 a set? I'll bring 500 bucks, a video camera (so we can all see) if you can do it on a table with 4 1/4's.. I don't want you to read that the wrong way, I'm not doubting your talent. Just giving you the opportunity to do something that you made sound relatively easy and make an extra 300 - 400 bucks doing it.

DJ
 
PlynSets said:
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Tate (not picking on you, but I noticed you live in Burbank) You can torture the ghost at home on your 4 inch pockets. Would you be willing to go down to Hard Times, or HollyWood Billiards and give it a shot for 100 a set? I'll bring 500 bucks, a video camera (so we can all see) if you can do it on a table with 4 1/4's.. I don't want you to read that the wrong way, I'm not doubting your talent. Just giving you the opportunity to do something that you made sound relatively easy and make an extra 300 - 400 bucks doing it.

DJ

Well, you are picking on me. I was just trying to help with my opinion, not brag about my skill. I even tried to give advice on how others can improve their game with the ghost, gave some tips.

I didn't say I torture the ghost. I said on my table, it's a pretty even game. I do this for practice, not money. You can believe me or not, it makes no difference to me.

I don't play the ghost for money. However, I will be happy to try you for a few sets at Hard Times. When we're done, maybe you can tell everyone here whether or not you think I can beat the ghost.

Chris
 
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JimBo said:
Maybe my rules for playing the ghost are different, but I think at last check there were 16 people who said they beat the ghost here in a race to 9 on a 9 footer. I will go out on the limb and say I think we have 13-14 liars. Unless you are A+ to an open class player I don't believe you can consistantly beat the ghost. Of course pros are a given. But if by playing the ghost you mean you MUST break and run to win any miss being a lose.
I've heard other rules where you don't need to make a ball on the break or you get BIH after the break, in this case I'd lower the number of liars to 11-12, but I doubt 20% of the people here can beat the ghost in a race to 9.
Again to me this means you B&R better the 50% of the time and that's tough action. Any Non-pro who wants to come to CT can get some $100 a set action playing the Ghost races to 9.

Jim

Hey Jimbo,
Come down to my room... You can get action with me...
I'll play the ghost with ya...
Best,
Ken
highendcues
 
HighEndCues said:
Hey Jimbo,
Come down to my room... You can get action with me...
I'll play the ghost with ya...
Best,
Ken
highendcues

In your room you got the action with no BIH after the break, come and play in my room and I'll give you the BIH. But hurry I need travelin cash.

Jim
 
JimBo said:
In your room you got the action with no BIH after the break, come and play in my room and I'll give you the BIH. But hurry I need travelin cash.

Jim

I guess there is a certain table I have to play on in your joint also??
Come on down to my place..
I could be one of those liars..
I want to empty your tip cup..
No BIH? Thats not nice...
Thats a bad ghost..
LOL
Ken
 
woof woof. some of you naysayers sure dont sound like you really want action.
 
uwate said:
woof woof. some of you naysayers sure dont sound like you really want action.


I happen to Know Ken and how he shoots, I never said nobody can beat the ghost, just less then the 23% that posted. I stand by all of my words that most people tend to over rate their own ability. Ken is an A player and IMO on those slop buckets in his room he might have a shot at beating the ghost, but chances are if I drove over to see him I'd break him on all the free Vodka he'd have to give me and then we'd leave to go find women.

Jim
 
PlynSets said:
I'm going to start with that second part first.. If you play the ghost and you run 3 racks and the ghost wins 9 : 3, that DOES NOT MEAN that you can beat the ghost 33% of the time.. That does'nt mean in 9 sets with the ghost your going to get 3 of them. As well, in that fifth or sixth rack when you missed that easy 8 ball, or rattled the 9 ball you don't get to add that to your score becuase you "should've" made it (which I have a hunch quite a few are doing here online)

Well I hope nobody misinterpreted the poll that badly...

Those "should've made it" balls are actually what separates those that can beat the ghost and those that have the ability, but never quite make it always hanging around 20% - 40% of racks run. Mental barrier, a big one.
 
PlynSets said:
Well I'm not the best player on this board by a long shot, but I've been around Pool long enough to know what's what.

I'm flat calling Bull shiat on the results of this poll. I think about 1/2 of it is "open mouth insert keyboard" kind of action (as in peoples perception of their games are way better then it actually is) and the other half is just people perhaps misunderstanding what "beating" the ghost actually is.

I'm going to start with that second part first.. If you play the ghost and you run 3 racks and the ghost wins 9 : 3, that DOES NOT MEAN that you can beat the ghost 33% of the time.. That does'nt mean in 9 sets with the ghost your going to get 3 of them. As well, in that fifth or sixth rack when you missed that easy 8 ball, or rattled the 9 ball you don't get to add that to your score becuase you "should've" made it (which I have a hunch quite a few are doing here online)

To beat the ghost in a race to nine you pretty much have to be at the very worst a low A player, (By San Diego Standards) and even with that be having a pretty good day. The ghost is an unmerciful, unrelenting, whore of an opponent. It will break down just "about" (there's some exceptions to that rule) anybody short of a pro over time if you keep them playing long enough. I've seen many people beat the ghost.. On the flip side I've seen many people run a rack too. It's not that big of a feat to beat it once for an A player. It is that big of a feat to beat it like it owes ya money. To walk up, take the bet and whoop it's ass all day long like 28 of the people on here said they can do.. I'm calling B.S.

So we have 28 players on AZ Billiards that flat beat it like a red headed step child. (Most of the time) I'd be willing to wager we might have maybe 5 guys on this whole website that'd come out on top across 5 sets races to 9 on a "tight but accurate" 9' table.

19 people that beat it 50% of the time.. Again I'd bet that # would be cut atleast in half.

34 people that can beat it 20/30 percent of the time.. OK, again running 3 racks doesn't give you a 30% win / loss ratio.

35 People that can beat it in a blue moon. I'd bet that # is probably pretty correct for the WHOLE BOARD.. And the people that clicked the "most of the time button" should've in reality most likely clicked the 50% of the time.. The 50% of the time should've clicked the blue moon, and the guys that clicked the blue moon should've probbaly clicked the never.

Not saying it can't be done, just saying when somebody tortures the ghost on a regular basis, then their going to be pretty well known as a player.

The ghost is NOT as easy as y'all are making it seem. Yes running a rack in ball in hand is easy.. Hell I've got 10 or 12 videos of my B player ass doing it on an extremely tight table. Running a set to 9 and maintaining a better then 50% run out ratio is the biatch of the bet. I think most are thinking "I can run 9 racks in 17 tries"

That must be why we see so many videos being posted up of people doing it.. Shit awhile back somebody posted a thread "Post your break and run videos" Anyone remember how long it took for even the few videos that showed up in that thread to appear? Yet there's (19+28=47) 47 players on here that have a better then 50% run out ratio in sets to 9 for the money? Doesn't add up. After I get paid (on the 1st) I'd be willing to wager on some of the socal guys.

Tate (not picking on you, but I noticed you live in Burbank) You can torture the ghost at home on your 4 inch pockets. Would you be willing to go down to Hard Times, or HollyWood Billiards and give it a shot for 100 a set? I'll bring 500 bucks, a video camera (so we can all see) if you can do it on a table with 4 1/4's.. I don't want you to read that the wrong way, I'm not doubting your talent. Just giving you the opportunity to do something that you made sound relatively easy and make an extra 300 - 400 bucks doing it.

DJ


I am just curious what your rules are for playing the ghost.

Thanks,
Rodney
 
JimBo said:
I happen to Know Ken and how he shoots, I never said nobody can beat the ghost, just less then the 23% that posted. I stand by all of my words that most people tend to over rate their own ability. Ken is an A player and IMO on those slop buckets in his room he might have a shot at beating the ghost, but chances are if I drove over to see him I'd break him on all the free Vodka he'd have to give me and then we'd leave to go find women.

Jim
I never thought about having to feed you Vodka.. It might be a bad game if you stay too long.. Always interesting being around Jimbo after the Vodka is gone..
Ken
 
Did I beat the ghost?

The other night on a Gold Crown 3 with Simonis and 4 3/4" pockets, I beat the ghost 9-6. I've only played the ghost about 8 times. I started when I read this thread. It is actually quite fun, and seemed to help my runout concentration. Especially when I had to come back from behind. Here is what I did:

Break the balls. Any balls I make stay down. Whether I scratch or not, I take ball in hand and run out. If I miss I lose, if I run out I win. Is that right?

KMRUNOUT
 
KMRUNOUT said:
The other night on a Gold Crown 3 with Simonis and 4 3/4" pockets, I beat the ghost 9-6. I've only played the ghost about 8 times. I started when I read this thread. It is actually quite fun, and seemed to help my runout concentration. Especially when I had to come back from behind. Here is what I did:

Break the balls. Any balls I make stay down. Whether I scratch or not, I take ball in hand and run out. If I miss I lose, if I run out I win. Is that right?

KMRUNOUT

That's it.
 
I haven't seen any action in a year and a half.....but enough about my personal life.......where do you play ? i'm on the beach...
 
theoneandonly said:
I would consider myself a high C player. I play the ghost a lot of times to get my practice in. I find myself beating the ghost about 10% of all the racks I play. So I usually can beat the ghost 1 out of every 10 racks. I have beat the ghost one time in a small race to 5 set on an 8 footer with huge buckets. I consider myself a 6 ball ghost player. if i rack up 6 balls and then try to get out I can do that about 50% of the time. I hope to be able to beat the ghost in a year or two. That is a goal I am working to achieve.
if you only beat the ghost 10% of the time , then you are not a high c player .......yet ......not in Indiana anyway.........and I dont mean that in an offensive way , just putting things in perspective...
 
KMRUNOUT said:
The other night on a Gold Crown 3 with Simonis and 4 3/4" pockets, I beat the ghost 9-6. I've only played the ghost about 8 times. I started when I read this thread. It is actually quite fun, and seemed to help my runout concentration. Especially when I had to come back from behind. Here is what I did:

Break the balls. Any balls I make stay down. Whether I scratch or not, I take ball in hand and run out. If I miss I lose, if I run out I win. Is that right?

KMRUNOUT
Some will count the break scratch as a loss...approx 1 frame handicap.

Some will not allow combinations on the 9-ball...approx 1.5 frame handicap.

Some don't allow BIH after break...approx 4-5 game handicap (arguably no-one can beat this ghost consistantly on standard tables).

There are no generally accepted rules of course, but I'd say the BIH, no combos on 9-ball, break scratch don't count method on 4 3/4" would represent a method without too much luck which would give a fair representation. The best pros could probably give the ghost 4 on the wire, race to 9, under these conditions and be 50-50 or better most times they pick up a stick.

Anyone who can play the ghost this way, without frames on the wire, and can beat it say 3 or 4 sets out of 5 anyday is a damn fine player IMHO. A player no pro is gonna look forward to playing provided they've got a decent break and can kick a bit.

Anyone who can play this well will likely have run 9-0 sets against the ghost in practice mulitple times.

Just my guestimates,
Colin
 
Well the ghost and I have had a serious talk and in short he told me I suck.
I need 3 on the wire in a race to 5 and even then he will be the favorite.

Why did I ever take up this game?

The sad thing is that I can beat most of the people around here that I play.

Jake
 
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