how would ya hit it?

I hit that with low left and medium speed.
I spin a lot of balls in.
I suppose the "right" way is center ball medium speed.
 
iusedtoberich said:
That way is skid city on this particular shot. Slight angle, slow speed, top. No way.

High outside and a rolling ball is ok. Or low outside. I'd never play this with pure top and a soft hit. I don't think any pro would either.
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Agreed and you had it right the first time.
A soft stun with a touch of low left throws it in.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Do skids happen more often for you than misjudging squirt/swerve/throw?

pj
chgo
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I understand your logic, have for many years. It just does not pan out in practice. Take the 9 ball in the rack shot for the final winning shot. We've had several threads about that. Every pro on the planet plays it low outside, 2 rails out of the corner, with the CB going up table. Some pros will even play it 4 rails so the CB lands on the Brunswick. You advocate slow rolling that shot pocket speed with a center ball rolling hit. Nobody plays that way. The way pros play is the way to play the game. They have figured out the best way to "win".
 
I wouldn’t advise anyone to shoot this the same way as me. I don’t want the scratch to be in the picture. Just want to make it. Enough low left to make sure cue ball stays above opposite side pocket. I make this decision first. With a clear mind, now you just shoot it.
 
It depends...if the table plays consistent ( level, clean, good cloth, etc.), just a little high, pocket speed. If it is a biker bar type pool table...don't take a chance...hit it firm, low, left.
 
Have you tried a liquid weight, screw sleve cue to see if you can actually hit the ob ball and then put the ( ball placement) cb some where on the table... Never know... Guy
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Does for me. And sorry, but I don't buy the claim that "all pros" do it your way.

P.S. The forward roll is to prevent skids.

pj
chgo
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I tried the shot both ways just now. Made 5/5 with low outside. Made 4/5 with center top. I have not hit a ball in months and my pool table is full of crap that I pushed out of the way barely enough to shoot this shot. I say that because I feel the high center was actually the easier shot, even though I missed it once. I did not have anything close to a skid. The only thing I didn't like about the high center was it put the butt of my cue exactly over the scratching sharp edge of the GC corner casting, and I was sweating rubbing it the whole time. I think I convinced myself high center is a nice way to play this shot. Thanks for the motivation;)
 
iusedtoberich said:
I tried the shot both ways just now. Made 5/5 with low outside. Made 4/5 with center top. I have not hit a ball in months and my pool table is full of crap that I pushed out of the way barely enough to shoot this shot. I say that because I feel the high center was actually the easier shot, even though I missed it once. I did not have anything close to a skid. The only thing I didn't like about the high center was it put the butt of my cue exactly over the scratching sharp edge of the GC corner casting, and I was sweating rubbing it the whole time. I think I convinced myself high center is a nice way to play this shot. Thanks for the motivation;)
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Depends on the speed. Rolling the cue ball is more prone to "anti" gearing than sliding it low. Using outside has more psychological attractiveness than other approaches.

You have more _apparent_ control input on the object ball for one. Cling effect is all but eliminated.
You can also aim fuller at the ball - steering it into compliance instead of hoping you got the cut angle right. Deflection effects need to be addressed but the solutions are dependable and easily mastered.
Cue ball management is also built into the shot.
Dog Heaven!
 
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