How would you play this?

RunoutJJ said:
Ths is how any straight pool chamipon woudl play this layout :thumbup: Im no champion but this is what i saw as the best out possible. Less cueball movement with solid position is the only way to play straight pool. When you watch champions play this game it makes you want to quit!!!
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I knew you were a rebel.
 
If that is how a champion would play that layout, I'll never be one (I won't anyway but that's not the point). :)
 
wow... uhhhh for me... if I was playing serious and not trying to look like a smart ass forum poster..

I see the 15 is the break and the 11 keys to the 15 quite well.. so we work backwards from there... the 8 leaves you a nice stop in the side on the 11...

so you take the difficult shot first


9 in the corner with soft roll slide between the 11 and 15.. then the 3 to the top corner. playing position for straight in on the 8

that makes it 9,3,8,11,15


thats only if I was trying to win though...:eek:
 
softshot said:
wow... uhhhh for me... if I was playing serious and not trying to look like a smart ass forum poster..

I see the 15 is the break and the 11 keys to the 15 quite well.. so we work backwards from there... the 8 leaves you a nice stop in the side on the 11...

so you take the difficult shot first


9 in the corner with soft roll slide between the 11 and 15.. then the 3 to the top corner. playing position for straight in on the 8

that makes it 9,3,8,11,15


thats only if I was trying to win though...:eek:
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soft good to see you back on here.
 
softshot said:
wow... uhhhh for me... if I was playing serious and not trying to look like a smart ass forum poster..

I see the 15 is the break and the 11 keys to the 15 quite well.. so we work backwards from there... the 8 leaves you a nice stop in the side on the 11...

so you take the difficult shot first


9 in the corner with soft roll slide between the 11 and 15.. then the 3 to the top corner. playing position for straight in on the 8

that makes it 9,3,8,11,15


thats only if I was trying to win though...:eek:
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I am NOT a good player, and there is no right or wrong way to play it, but I watched a 14.1 video with Ortmann and Pat Fleming commenting. They agreed that side pocket key balls look good but if you don't get perfect you have a problem. Your way would be great if you get straight on the 8. If you get an angle you are in trouble. IMO you are setting a trap for yourself playing it that way, or more accurately I would be setting a trap for myself because I don't play that good.
 
alstl said:
I am NOT a good player, and there is no right or wrong way to play it, but I watched a 14.1 video with Ortmann and Pat Fleming commenting. They agreed that side pocket key balls look good but if you don't get perfect you have a problem. Your way would be great if you get straight on the 8. If you get an angle you are in trouble. IMO you are setting a trap for yourself playing it that way, or more accurately I would be setting a trap for myself because I don't play that good.
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Al, you should really touch up the diagram and post it in the 14.1 section. I like softshot's pattern, but I'm not a great 14.1 player either. I do know that the 3-ball is the most problematic ball on the table, so I like removing it as early as possible. You were able to use it successfully as a key ball, but you had to leave yourself 4-5 feet from the break ball in order to preserve the angle. Ideally you want to be much closer to your break balls to give you the best chance of keeping your run going, but the 3 ball didn't offer a good way to get close to the 15 without high risk. That's why the 11 is a great key ball, and almost any angle on the 8 will work to get to the 11; all you need is a fairly straight shot on the 11 to any pocket. But I'd be interested to hear what the gurus in the 14.1 section say.

Take care,
Aaron
 
Papa Red said:
I'm not a straight pool player, but anyone see a problem with 11,3,15,9, & use the 8for a break out ball?
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If you want to do thing the hard way...nope;)

I think the 3->15-> 9 series has a pretty low margin of error.

There is more than one way to skin a cat though. That's why we keep coming back to this silly game, IMO
 
alstl said:
The 8 doesn't pass the 6 so my main concern when I shot the 4 was getting on the 6. I didn't try to draw it nor did I try to draw the next shot. I tried to do exactly what I did.
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I was kind of wondering about the draw stroke myself, not thinking you couldn't draw the ball, but just wondering why you didn't a couple times. So, why didn't you draw back off the 3 a bit to get closer to the break ball?

Of course you did make them all and that's the most important part :)
 
BasementDweller said:
I was kind of wondering about the draw stroke myself, not thinking you couldn't draw the ball, but just wondering why you didn't a couple times. So, why didn't you draw back off the 3 a bit to get closer to the break ball?Of course you did make them all and that's the most important part :)
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To preserve the angle, and that is not a difficult shot. If you over draw the cue ball you run the risk of getting a shallow angle, straight in, or on the other side of the object ball and then you are trying to create a shot instead of having a natural angle.
 
Really?

Fatboy said:
11,3,8,9 is the play.

I'm not a 14.1 player but thats how I see it.
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Your break ball is in the rack area,you would be shooting at a full rack next shot.If the CB ends up in the rack as well it goes to the head spot.

I am not a 14.1 player either :smile:
 
smoooothstroke said:
Your break ball is in the rack area,you would be shooting at a full rack next shot.If the CB ends up in the rack as well it goes to the head spot.

I am not a 14.1 player either :smile:
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Actually if the 9 ball was left it would spot on the head spot. If the cue ball also stops in the rack it goes in the kitchen. If the cue ball stops outside the rack, nine ball goes on the head spot and cue ball stays where it is unless the cue ball stops on the head spot and then the 9 ball spots on the center spot.
 
alstl said:
I am NOT a good player, and there is no right or wrong way to play it, but I watched a 14.1 video with Ortmann and Pat Fleming commenting. They agreed that side pocket key balls look good but if you don't get perfect you have a problem. Your way would be great if you get straight on the 8. If you get an angle you are in trouble. IMO you are setting a trap for yourself playing it that way, or more accurately I would be setting a trap for myself because I don't play that good.
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I prefer the stop shot in the side key ball whenever it is available.. simply because a short distance stop shot is "Perfect" CB position.. you know EXACTLY where the CB will end up..

my first rule of thumb in any game is to ask as soon as I get to the table... Is there a stop out?... if the answer is yes then I figure out the best way to get in line for it..

and no game offers you stop outs as often as 14.1..

here is a link to Irving Crane running 150 and out against Balsis in the 1966 US open finals

notice that Crane also prefers the stop shot in the side key ball and saves them in every rack that they are available in.. including one rack where he has the exact same key ball and break ball on both sides of the table...

sometimes he gets out of line and has to go another way..but he always makes those decisions late in the rack... and also shows a few tricks for getting out of a jam if you do get a bit out of line..

there are 7 parts total here is part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k06-M12lQWE&feature=related
 
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