How Would You Play This?

Bank the 2 up table two rails hoping to leave it behind the 7 and 5, with top on the cueball to bring it up and snug onto the 4. Even if you don't get the 2 behind the 7-5, if you still block the bottom right pocket with the 7-5 and get the cueball onto the 4 you're in a better position. Might take some top-right to get the cueball onto the 4.
 
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ton of right, rail first, move the 2 over a couple inches, cue ball down table. second way would be banking the 2 to the 4 and cue ball couple rails down, except with that shot youll need to hit the four flush to hide it, if not it will show and you give away the shot. my first thought was rail first with right, Ive played that safe before with success, tough bank for the opponent and worst case youll get an easy safe to get out of.
 
I dont like playing safe here, but if I were to, I would play the bump safe leaving both balls together pointed into the rail.
I prefer to go offensive on the shot, 1 rail kick about 1.5-2" shy of a diamond and a half on the long rail, medium speed no english to hit rail first on the 2. If you hit it good your cueball will come out of the corner towards the 3.
Chuck

What he said :thumbup:
 
Since every reasonable answer is already put down, and most of these end up with the shooter doing something pretty outlandish for us mortals....

I'll go with the silly intentional and cozy the 4-ball into the crook of the 9-ball.

Freddie <~~~ and lose like everyone else
 
I think thin it and go 2 - 2 1/2 rails and cover it with the 9-4. After looking at it for a while, you have plenty of range with the CB to leave down there and not leave an open shot. And you're not jacked up over the 4, so that helps with sighting. I'd have to play it a few times to know what I'd do for sure, though.
 
Bank the 2 into the 4. Use the 4 as somewhat of a blocker for it to leave it on the long rail, somewhere close to where to 4 is already. Shoot the CB with as much right hand side as you can, and use the spin to create the cue balls speed. Go short, long, opposite long rail with the white. The key would be to get the white on the long rail and the 9 block the 2. If it pays off it is hard to get safe for the opponent if they're kicking at it.

My other option would be to go short rail first with a touch of right side to flick the 2 maybe a diamond further away from the corner pocket and the white up to the other short rail. Need to make sure you contact the short rail with the white, even if the white bounces out a diamond there is still a lot of distance and gets your opponent thinking. They have full view of the 2 in this shot, so depending on the creativity and execution skills of the guy your playing you might end up in a worse situation. Also, I'm not sure if the point is in the way of this shot so it may not be on.

Option 1 is an attacking safety option, and therefore has more risk. Option 2 is easy to execute but is more of a passive defensive safety. Depends on the player but I'm fairly attacking minded....not enough so to warrant kicking at the 2, but enough so to choose this shot.

I would also contemplate really tying up the 4 and give up ball in hand. Roll it upto the 9. Can't get to the 9/4 from where the 3 is easily...thats a tough break out. Forces them to go into the cluster from the 2 which could make the player snooker them selves on the 3. They would have to hit the shot really well to develop the 4 and get on the 3. Against a pro I wouldn't contemplate this, but in a league match it becomes a contender for my.choice of shot.
 
I agree. This is actually a difficult position and a potentially game losing situation.

A kick shot is risky because it will probably leave you hooked on the 3. I would expect most good players would kick the ball in then worry about the 3 later if they're hooked.

Personally, I think the best choice might be to just softly bank the two back up by the 4, trying to lock up the 2 and 4, or leaving a tough bank shot or a counter safe. This is probably the easiest to execute. Or just roll up softly onto the two just hard enough to nudge it to the rail and back into the cue ball. That could be a pretty strong move leading to a safety battle.

I like this option as well.
 
I tried all the shots in the thread (I think). I didn't like any of them much. All the shots of hiding the CB were difficult to execute. I think this is a very very tough spot to be in! I think of all of them Cornerman's tying up the 4-9 with an intentional foul was the easiest to execute, and might yield the best results, depending on the level of the two players.

1) Ride the 9:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_4fLEWJjc

2) Kick the 2 in (rail first and ball first):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQXrctGeC58

3) Thin the 2 safety sending CB behind 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM4A_GZlPTU

4) Safety leaving 2, 4, 9, CB all on the same long rail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7NZTyGfguU

5) Tie up the 2 and 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R88RmGnmUYs

6) Coming off the left side of the 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpGOA-unhJs

7) Bank the 2 ball twice behind the 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG7_JyCH6k

8) Double kiss safety sending the CB behind the 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekx9u7y3fMg

9) Rail first off left side of 2 distance safety
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu1rSyNoUG0

10) Intentional foul tie up 4/9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnk1AvVQUjw

11) Lay CB on top of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSnWvECKDT8&feature=youtu.be
 
I tried all the shots in the thread (I think). I didn't like any of them much. All the shots of hiding the CB were difficult to execute. I think this is a very very tough spot to be in! I think of all of them Cornerman's tying up the 4-9 with an intentional foul was the easiest to execute, and might yield the best results, depending on the level of the two players.

1) Ride the 9:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_4fLEWJjc

2) Kick the 2 in (rail first and ball first):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQXrctGeC58

3) Thin the 2 safety sending CB behind 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM4A_GZlPTU

4) Safety leaving 2, 4, 9, CB all on the same long rail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7NZTyGfguU

5) Tie up the 2 and 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R88RmGnmUYs

6) Coming off the left side of the 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpGOA-unhJs

7) Bank the 2 ball twice behind the 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG7_JyCH6k

8) Double kiss safety sending the CB behind the 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekx9u7y3fMg

9) Rail first off left side of 2 distance safety
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu1rSyNoUG0

10) Intentional foul tie up 4/9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnk1AvVQUjw

11) Lay CB on top of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSnWvECKDT8&feature=youtu.be
If you had some pool shoes on you would have pulled off every shot on the first attempt. Barefoot just lacks the grip need to execute these shots!

I had a little better success on the 249CB along the same rail. My focus was getting the 2 into the 4 firstly and sending the white 2 rails. As long as I got the 2 into the 4 the whites position didn't really matter much. It left a snooker or a half ball glimpse at the 2.

Thanks for taking the time to shoot all the shots and upload them :-)
 
Would you believe I had a girl take off and put back on my glasses with her bare feet?! She had amazing control of her toes. Lol.
 


I don't see much I like.

Possibly roll up on 2. Possibly roll 4 onto 9.

I'm gonna hope to get lucky...shoot cb with 1 tip left stun, straight at 2ball ..for a double kiss.

Cb come off side rail after kiss on 2ball, and down next to 3 ball. 2 ball off end rail, off cb toward side pocket, come off side rail to near center table hidden by some combination of 3, 5 and/or 7.

It could happen:rolleyes:
 
I tried all the shots in the thread (I think). I didn't like any of them much. All the shots of hiding the CB were difficult to execute. I think this is a very very tough spot to be in! I think of all of them Cornerman's tying up the 4-9 with an intentional foul was the easiest to execute, and might yield the best results, depending on the level of the two players.

1) Ride the 9:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_4fLEWJjc

2) Kick the 2 in (rail first and ball first):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQXrctGeC58

3) Thin the 2 safety sending CB behind 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM4A_GZlPTU

4) Safety leaving 2, 4, 9, CB all on the same long rail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7NZTyGfguU

5) Tie up the 2 and 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R88RmGnmUYs

6) Coming off the left side of the 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpGOA-unhJs

7) Bank the 2 ball twice behind the 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG7_JyCH6k

8) Double kiss safety sending the CB behind the 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekx9u7y3fMg

9) Rail first off left side of 2 distance safety
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu1rSyNoUG0

10) Intentional foul tie up 4/9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnk1AvVQUjw

11) Lay CB on top of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSnWvECKDT8&feature=youtu.be

On banking the 2 into the 4 (#5), you want to hit the shot just hard enough for the two to roll up near the 4. You don't want to leave the bank. The player would then have to execute a very touchy return safety and potentially sell out.
 
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From watching this guy's video it looks to me that kicking at the two and hitting the rail first pretty much guarantees to pocket the ball. Hitting it just a bit firmer will get you a shot on the three, if not, as long as you can see the three ball you're in a better position to play a much better safe.

I don't like any of the safes described here. Rail first on the kick is a very high percentage shot with the two is sitting just enough off the rail to make it a playable shot.
 
Would you believe I had a girl take off and put back on my glasses with her bare feet?! She had amazing control of her toes. Lol.

that prbly happened before,when you were still rich.

4 into the 9 is no good as a intenional. incoming player takes bih and makes 2 and breaks up 4/8.

dbl kiss with firm,not hard, draw should get whitey up table by the 3.
2 should stay near end rail.
good shots to practice
 
I tried all the shots in the thread (I think). I didn't like any of them much. All the shots of hiding the CB were difficult to execute. I think this is a very very tough spot to be in! I think of all of them Cornerman's tying up the 4-9 with an intentional foul was the easiest to execute, and might yield the best results, depending on the level of the two players.

1) Ride the 9:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_4fLEWJjc

2) Kick the 2 in (rail first and ball first):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQXrctGeC58

3) Thin the 2 safety sending CB behind 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM4A_GZlPTU

4) Safety leaving 2, 4, 9, CB all on the same long rail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7NZTyGfguU

5) Tie up the 2 and 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R88RmGnmUYs

6) Coming off the left side of the 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpGOA-unhJs

7) Bank the 2 ball twice behind the 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG7_JyCH6k

8) Double kiss safety sending the CB behind the 5/7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekx9u7y3fMg

9) Rail first off left side of 2 distance safety
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu1rSyNoUG0

10) Intentional foul tie up 4/9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnk1AvVQUjw

11) Lay CB on top of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSnWvECKDT8&feature=youtu.be

first of all, by taking the time to actually execute the shots and with video, it takes time and effort, so ll;l go out on a limb and say theres very few AZers, myself included, that would do that. BUT, you also are shooting in a home table with nothing on the line, so you would shoot those shots exponentially different and with much ore care and effort. but still, great videos for the suggestions. very well done sir, i will continue to watch as long as you are willing to upload.
 
Apparently Buddy Hall concurred with most of you about the difficulty of the safties available. He kicked one rail (with speed) but hit ball-first and the 2 went into the tit and actually came back and hit the cueball again and ended up here:

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